Why are the good players being punished?

Charr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

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26 Sep 2007 at 01:05 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faer, tmakinen,Keithark and the rest of you annoying, little, pesky, creatures
Oooh if you'r soooo good you dont need a morale booooost
Odjebite pederčine jedne, I said I consider myself to be a good player not a godlike creation so I will from time to time make mistakes and it would be very nice to know that those mistakes will not cripple my efforts too much.
You happy now, can you now go to some other topic and bitch there?

Kale Ironfist

Kale Ironfist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Australia

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26 Sep 2007 at 01:23 - 42
A good player does not use the morale boost to get through the dungeon, no matter what mistakes are made. They kill monsters to remove DP, and depending on resources, aided by an xp scroll (which, quite frankly, are cheap and easy to buy from ANY merchant).

Now you made the thread, stating that good players are punished for reaching the cap. You have not made an argument with which to back up this claim that has not been refuted. They are not punished for reaching the cap on points. It is mistakes and bad playing that leads to DP, and a good player will work with that aspect to remove it (75xp per 1%).

Next time, take a scroll, and see how fast the DP decays. They are very much worth the gold (+50% xp for 10 minutes is only 200 gold). Otherwise, repeatedly do the snowman dungeon, you'll get a random candycane at the chest every time.

Paloma Song

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

[JM]

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26 Sep 2007 at 02:18 - 43
Why is this even an issue? Anet just needs to give back the bonuses while stripping out the faction gain, end of story.

It might even happen in a couple years.

Equaliser

Equaliser

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Hell

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26 Sep 2007 at 04:31 - 44
I think you confused grinding with skills. Any one can grind just kill the same map over and over again .

A good player don't get much (if any) DP so having DP bonus removal affects good players very little.

Your thread should read "leave DP bonus for noob grinders"

Icy DS

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

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26 Sep 2007 at 04:40 - 45
I don't think "good" "skill" and "pve" should go in the same sentence...post...or thread...

trobinson97

trobinson97

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

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26 Sep 2007 at 06:22 - 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Icy DS
I don't think "good" "skill" and "pve" should go in the same sentence...post...or thread...
Well, I think your thought process is very flawed. I've met many good players in pve. In fact, some of them had more skills than a lot of pvp players I've associated with.

Oh, but you were just trying to be funny...


Haha.

Dzan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Black Dye Cartel

26 Sep 2007 at 10:37 - 47
How many snowmen do I have to kill before I'm as good as the OP?

blue.rellik

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

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26 Sep 2007 at 10:40 - 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charr
Odjebite pederčine jedne, I said I consider myself to be a good player not a godlike creation so I will from time to time make mistakes and it would be very nice to know that those mistakes will not cripple my efforts too much.
You happy now, can you now go to some other topic and bitch there?


A classic case of the pot calling the kettle 'black'

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzan
How many snowmen do I have to kill before I'm as good as the OP?
Over 9000!

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

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26 Sep 2007 at 10:48 - 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charr
Odjebite pederčine jedne, I said I consider myself to be a good player not a godlike creation so I will from time to time make mistakes and it would be very nice to know that those mistakes will not cripple my efforts too much.
You happy now, can you now go to some other topic and bitch there?
@Mods: You might want to add the bolded words to list of censored words. Not sure if you want English translation of them posted here...

Back on topic. Seriously, good players can do good with or without the 10% morale boost bonuses. The ones that can't do without are... well, you see where I'm going.

Cebe

Cebe

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26 Sep 2007 at 10:58 - 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charr
Oh yes, because there is no way that Frostmaw Spawn will appear out of nowhere
Norgu / Gwen + [wiki]Revealed Hex[/wiki] = GG

Charr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

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26 Sep 2007 at 12:32 - 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
@Mods: You might want to add the bolded words to list of censored words. Not sure if you want English translation of them posted here...

Back on topic. Seriously, good players can do good with or without the 10% morale boost bonuses. The ones that can't do without are... well, you see where I'm going.
They only need to censor first two word the third isn't a curse word.
And I can do good without morale boost but that's not the point, the point is why should I lose something just because i wanted to make my dwarven skills more effective.

EinherjarMx

EinherjarMx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Mexico

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26 Sep 2007 at 16:07 - 52
QQ moar

you're a good grinder, and that's it, if you don't want to "waste" your time not getting dwarven points, go get asuran/ebon/norn or make a new char

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

26 Sep 2007 at 17:10 - 53
This is an English forum, type in English only.

Clone

Clone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

26 Sep 2007 at 17:48 - 54
Heh, I'm torn. No bonuses would suck, so I feel kind of sorry for the OP. But, at the same rate, it was a very dark day when people started to claim that they were good because they killed thousands of snowmen, or worm farmed the same group of margonite bosses a hundred times over. Doing something once is an accomplishment. Doing the same thing 1000 times over isn't, it just shows you have way too much time on your hands. Its sad that Anet abandoned their original design and started to reward this type of behavior. So, I'm kind of glad to see pitfalls for those who grind. If you're such a good player, you'll be able to deal with it.

Voltar

Voltar

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26 Sep 2007 at 21:56 - 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz
being able to grind out some pve title doesn't make you good. if you truly are a "good" player, then you don't need those blessings.
OP went like...5 feet over your head. The point was more like...title caps at 8 without hard mode implimented.

you can -60% zerg any of these dungeons anyway.

Selket

Desert Nomad

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26 Sep 2007 at 22:51 - 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charr
Then what makes you a good PvE player, going over to Wiki and doing DoA with a premade build?
Its pve, you either have trouble with it or you don't.

If you don't have trouble with it then you're not bad, if you do you're bad.

There can be no 'good' for something that requires no skill or thought.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

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27 Sep 2007 at 09:22 - 57
It was exactly the same for lightbringer and sunspear titles, and that worked absolutely fine. You got better drops each run too. Whats the issue?

Just do bounty runs in the Snowman dungeon in HM (once added) to increase your drawf ranks. Easy!!! And again.. better drops!

william1975

william1975

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

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27 Sep 2007 at 12:23 - 58
^^

fish is quite right, wait for hardmode, these titles work like the preious nightfall ones, at some point you are just too good to fight weak foes.

You need a tougher challenge, and in HM you get that. Once you max your title you can still get the shrine bonus.

Its just a matter of patience as it was with Lightbrigner and Sunspear, so long to wait for HM, but when it came so easy to max those titles

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

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27 Sep 2007 at 12:52 - 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz
being able to grind out some pve title doesn't make you good. if you truly are a "good" player, then you don't need those blessings.
QFT. You proved that you can havest dwarf points easily enough to mindlessly grind them, thus you no longer need those helps.

Lesson to learn: grinding is punished. YAY! Moar plox, anet.

Charr

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

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28 Sep 2007 at 16:49 - 60
It would appear that A-net agrees with me

puffzilla

puffzilla

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28 Sep 2007 at 19:09 - 61
Good job the thread could probably be closed now

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

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Rhedd Asylum

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29 Sep 2007 at 02:31 - 62
Yes close it!
It's constantly reminding me that I am not a good player because I don't have high ranks in PVE titles.

Hundbert

Hundbert

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

29 Sep 2007 at 11:53 - 63
Can someone explain how these blessings work. I didn't know you got more morale from them. I just noticed i get more reputation points.

Xx_Sorin_xX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

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30 Sep 2007 at 04:59 - 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hundbert
Can someone explain how these blessings work. I didn't know you got more morale from them. I just noticed i get more reputation points.
you only get morale from dungeon (dwarven) blessings. it'd be nice if all the other ones did it, but maybe thats something for HM or not at all.