An observation on the zaishen challanges cap reset

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

Searching for "zaishen" didn't turn up any related results, so I apologise if this has already been mentioned. The official wiki doesn't appear to mention the faction cap, and guildwiki only has this to say:
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One account can only earn a total of 2,000 faction per day from the Zaishen Challenge. On the battle in which you would exceed 2,000 faction, your winnings will cap at 2,000 regardless of whether you win or lose that battle. You will not be permitted to earn any more faction in Zaishen Challenge or Zaishen Elite for 24 hours.
This implies that after you earn the 2'000 faction you can't earn any for at least 24 hours, with no indication of how they found that out. My experience however shows that the counter for your faction earned on the day gets reset every 24 hours. Just to clarify how these systems are different:
- Under the first system if you earn your 2k at 4am one day, then 5am the next day, on the 3rd day you won't be able to earn any till 5am
- Under the second you will be able to earn faction on the 3rd day at 4am unless the reset happens between 4am and 5am, in which case you would of missed a full day of earning faction. You also get the possibility of earning more than 2k in one sitting if your sitting passes through the reset time. It also requires less server resources because you aren't tracking the reset time for every account, so its the implementation I'd go with if I had to chose between them.


The chat I have blocked is a discussion between me and the PUG I got to leech faction from me*. He hit his cap on my 6th round, but remained for the 7th round before leaving. I'm on American servers playing from the American district 1. I usually farm the zaishen starting at about 07:00 GMT, but today I decided to start at about 09:00 GMT.

I was sitting between 4900 and 5000 (this is from memory, I can't be more accurate) faction before going into the Zaishen challenge shortly before 09:00 GMT today. Eight rounds later, at about 09:15 I noticed that I had earned faction for getting a flawless victory on that round, which doesn't usually happen because the cap kicks in during the victory faction. So I played another round and still got faction. I kept entering the Zaishen challenge until it stopped earning faction at the end of my 15th round, which gave me points for a flawless. My 16th round earned my no faction at all. In this session I earned between 3'792 and 3'892 faction.

I see only three ways for this to of happened:
1 - A bug in the faction cap system that I somehow triggered.
2 - ANET's changed the cap without telling us.
3 - The faction cap at the Zaishen got reset between the end of my 7th round (the pug would of noticed suddenly earning faction), but before the NPC's started dying on my 8th round. Thus putting the reset sometime between 09:00 and 09:15GMT (it may take time for it to reset all accounts, and our clocks aren't likely to be in sync, so your exact time will vary). After a quick estimate of the time each round takes, I'd say between 09:10 and 09:15 by my watch.

Case 2 seems unlikely as the new cap isn't a multiple of 1'000 and I haven't heard anything else about it. More testing would be needed to decide between case 1 and 3 and I really can't be bothered doing the testing myself. I only noticed this because I got lucky.

*My build for the Zaishen Challenge allows me to take along someone who can be AFK as I earn the faction for both of us. If you want to know the build PM me and I will tell you (or point me to a thread of someone asking), but I don't want to discuss it in this thread.

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

I noticed something similar. Before the GWEN preview weekend I filled up Faction (totally unnecessary, as it turned out later) and then took two friends along and, oh wonder, suddenly I got faction from the guys. I already had gotten 2k, and went up to 4k faction.

I do not know how this could happen, but it might be if the party leader has not filled his quota you can get more, too.

There is also an issue that you sometimes gain more than 2000 faction by killing another kind of npc enemy, e.g. you get faction for iway warriors when you already got 2000 faction on IW mesmers.

bilateralrope

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

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Originally Posted by Longasc
I noticed something similar. Before the GWEN preview weekend I filled up Faction (totally unnecessary, as it turned out later) and then took two friends along and, oh wonder, suddenly I got faction from the guys. I already had gotten 2k, and went up to 4k faction.
After my 7th round (it takes me 8 to hit the cap) I was alone for the remaining rounds.
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I do not know how this could happen, but it might be if the party leader has not filled his quota you can get more, too.
I was the party leader, and the PUG I had along wasn't effected by this. So this isn't what happened to me.
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There is also an issue that you sometimes gain more than 2000 faction by killing another kind of npc enemy, e.g. you get faction for iway warriors when you already got 2000 faction on IW mesmers.
I was going against the IW mesmers the entire time, as they die quicker.