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natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

29 Sep 2007 at 03:06 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

It's called an Anti-Griefing system for a reason, I'd imagine, rather than Anti-Leeching system.

The act of joining games for the purpose of annoying your team, and reducing their chances of winning could easily be construed as griefing, and this isn't any kind of spin on the matter. It's been called griefing prior to the introduction of the system, it just wasn't considered punishable before.

I think there's a case to be made here, but not over this. I think this is the system working-as-intended.

QFT The majority will not report you unless you are not taking it seriously or doing something you shouldn't. If you're not taking it seriously then you get what you get because there are those who do. Besides it's just a report thingy and it goes away so it's not the end of the world.

Edit: I do see the other side of the argument though and it does have valid points but again it's A.Nets call either way. However now the people who played before can play they way they want and have some control.. even if it's temporary or changes are made... I think it's a good starting point.

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

W/

29 Sep 2007 at 03:12 - 42

So can Anet look at your total playing time to see if you're playing a poor build on purpose or not? I've played for 29 months, and I'm now in college, where I'm meeting quite a few people who want to try GW PvP. I don't want to be rude and deny their requests. They make their own builds because it's a great experience and a part of what GW really is. Not to be selfish, but I don't want to receive dishonorable points because of this. IMO the system just isn't as efficient as it was intended to be.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

29 Sep 2007 at 03:15 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by kunt0r

Sorry bhavv, but if 100% of your teammates think you're an idiot and report you for it, sounds like the system is working as intended. And for your information, no one is going to get banned for reporting someone else. Random Arena means Random teams, not bringing stupid skills, griefing your teammates, and whining like a little girl when you get prevented from PvPing.

RA =/= PVP.

RA = Fun.

You phail, better luck next time.

People bring stupid skills all the time, it doesnt classify as leeching unfortunately. If your that upset, ask to add a report function for idiot skillbars, so we can report every tom dick and harry that play lame bars in RA.

There isnt an option for reporting people for being an idiot unfortunatly, and I doubt there ever will be. We have skills in the game, we can use them how we like. If that creates a proble, sort the skills out, you cant roport or ban the player for using a gimmick bar.

RA isnt serious PVP. If your so bothered about it you can make your own team in TA.

Boops

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

N/W

29 Sep 2007 at 03:15 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

But there is a major difference between testing a build that may suck, and making a build that is supposed to suck.

how can you tell?

for example:

i'm making a ranger

he has 12 fire magic and 12 expertise

let's call this build "cheap fire nuker"

he's got fire storm, flare, and throw dirt

so if i'm new...this build is ok, but if i'm just doing it to goof off, it's not?

do you have anything against doods who sync or leave?

because after all, they play ra to win

Brett Kuntz

Core Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

29 Sep 2007 at 03:25 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

RA =/= PVP.

RA = Fun.

You phail, better luck next time.

People bring stupid skills all the time, it doesnt classify as leeching unfortunately. If your that upset, ask to add a report function for idiot skillbars, so we can report every tom dick and harry that play lame bars in RA.

There isnt an option for reporting people for being an idiot unfortunatly, and I doubt there ever will be. We have skills in the game, we can use them how we like. If that creates a proble, sort the skills out, you cant roport or ban the player for using a gimmick bar.

RA isnt serious PVP. If your so bothered about it you can make your own team in TA.

Look, I understand you suck at this game, so I'll try to spell it out for you: Purposely ruining the fun for others will get you reported, so stop crying about it.

If you're so bothered about it, you can grab 3 more idiots and make your own team in TA.

And learn english, every sentence you wrote has something wrong with it.

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

29 Sep 2007 at 03:25 - 46

Some of you are throwing around a lot of meaningless hypotheticals without considering their practical aspects. Sure, we all agree that there is a difference between griefing and playing badly - how are you going to tell which is which? Aside from the really obvious examples, there simply isn't any good way to do it.

Again, people can report pretty much whoever they feel like. If your teammates get pissed off because your build is a joke, what's to prevent them from reporting you? Even if it were moderated by Anet staff, they could claim that they thought you were griefing because your build sucked so much, or because you were playing too badly ("nobody could possibly play that badly!").

"Play to win" would mean that sync-joining would be okay - they're playing to win. Or people who leave because everyone else on the team sucks. If you can report people that lower your chances of winning, why should you be penalized when you won't tolerate others who lower your chances of leaving?

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

29 Sep 2007 at 03:47 - 47

personally, i think this /report system is a lot of bull. anet support cannot possibly handle a system like this. in fact, no support department in the world can hope to handle a system like this.

there are three possible outcomes that can result from all this. 1: anet will drop the /report command because their support department cannot keep up. 2: anet will not drop the /report command, but they will simply ignore it because they can't keep up. or 3: their support department spontaneously implode from trying to keep up with /report, and they'll shoot whoever thought this up in the nuts, castrate him, hack off his legs, and hang him upside down for 5 years.

no matter what, /report won't be here for long.

Craywulf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Righteous and Honorable (RAH)

N/Me

29 Sep 2007 at 03:51 - 48

I'm totally new at PvP, what is leeching and griefing?

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

29 Sep 2007 at 03:52 - 49

Quote:

Originally Posted by kunt0r

Look, I understand you suck at this game, so I'll try to spell it out for you: Purposely ruining the fun for others will get you reported, so stop crying about it.

And learn english, every sentence you wrote has something wrong with it.

This is the kind of behaviour we need to be reporting in the game, I think everyone would agree on that.

Im far better at this game then you are, and my english is a lot better then yours. You should learn to read.

You also fail to understand simple terms - Leeching isnt playing the game and using skills, it isnt something you can get accused of doing when you are actually playing the game. If you dont like my skill bar, no one cares tbh. Report me for leaching for having a noob skillbar and risk getting banned.

The ingame message when you enter RA is very clear:

To report a teammate for leaching, select an INACTIVE teammate and type /report. Abuse of this feature may result in your account being banned.

You obviously cant understand that, and critisise my english. Get back into english class and start learning to read.

Hailey Anne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/E

29 Sep 2007 at 03:54 - 50

I just got reported for leeching in AB when i wasnt.
I had JUST died and was starting to set up my enchants and then boom report.

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

W/

29 Sep 2007 at 03:58 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by kunt0r

And learn english, every sentence you wrote has something wrong with it.

Shouldn't it be a capital 'E' for English?

o m g pizowned

Site Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2006

29 Sep 2007 at 04:03 - 52

CHILDREN!
anyway, anet fails again..

hallomik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

The Illini Tribe

N/Mo

29 Sep 2007 at 04:05 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craywulf

I'm totally new at PvP, what is leeching and griefing?

Griefing is deriving sick pleasure from ruining the gaming experience for others. It can take many forms.

Leeching is joining a team but contributing next to nothing in order to get benefit from the effort of others.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

29 Sep 2007 at 04:05 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by moriz

personally, i think this /report system is a lot of bull. anet support cannot possibly handle a system like this....

But the beauty of an ingame report system is, it can be easily run by a script. They may not do it now, but who nows about later.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

29 Sep 2007 at 04:07 - 55

I think you have to look at how you are playing. If you take in a build that is intended to help your team, no matter how bad a build, you become just another random build anyone can team with.
So how RA is supposed to work. Random builds, but the same goal. (Now some people will play for fun rather than to win, but since you are playing a game you should be playing towards the goal of the game no matter if you care about winning or not)

However, if you take a build with the intention of preventing your team from winning, such as saccing yourself. Then you have crossed the line and people are right to report you.

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

29 Sep 2007 at 04:09 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

Leeching is joining a team but contributing next to nothing in order to get benefit from the effort of others.

Unfortunately not, Leeching is joining a team and doing nothing, I.E remaining active. A mending wammo doesnt contribute anything to a group, neither does a flare spammer. They arent leechers.

Leeching is being inactive, that is not doing anything at all. Ok, so in my build I am using chillblains to remove enemy enchantments. So I am still comtributing a lot more then a wammo does XD.

hallomik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

The Illini Tribe

N/Mo

29 Sep 2007 at 04:23 - 57

The new dishonor system is player controlled.

The other members on the team have to agree to report a person, because if only one person does it, THAT lone reporter gets the dishonor points.

Therefore, even if you don't think what you're doing is leeching, if enough other people on your team agree you are leeching, you get the points.

You can complain about Anet, but it is really the community that is making the judgment.

Quote:

Dishonor

Dishonor points affect game types that have randomly formed teams such as Random Arenas, Alliance Battles, and Competitive Missions.

An account may be given dishonor points for leaving a PvP match prematurely, for leeching experience or faction, or for falsely reporting teammates for leeching.

Players who leave a PvP match prematurely will receive 5 dishonor points.
If a player is reported for leeching, that player will receive 2 dishonor points for each report against him. Players who report a team member for leeching without a third of their team also reporting that player will also receive 2 dishonor points.

Any account that has accumulated 10 or more dishonor points is given the Dishonorable status, which is displayed as a buff icon on screen. While affected by this status, no characters present on that account may enter any PvP missions.

The Dishonorable status remains in effect for 1 minute for each accumulated dishonor point. This status cannot be removed by logging out or changing characters.

When the duration of the Dishonorable status has expired, characters on that account may once again join PvP missions.

Dishonor points will remain on the player's account for a total of 60 minutes. If further dishonor points are acquired during this period, that account is once again given the Dishonorable status, though for a longer period of time.
To clear dishonor points from an account, a player must go 60 minutes without accumulating any new dishonor points.

Sakura Az

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

The frozen north

Ambassadors Of Enlightenment [Sage]

A/

29 Sep 2007 at 04:48 - 58

i got reported for leeching in ab jsut as the game was starting, imediatly i was like whattt? over team chat, this provoked a lot of laughing about how the system was flawed. (i think it was the assassin in my team that ran off and tried to take on the entire kurz team at once that reported me)

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

29 Sep 2007 at 04:56 - 59

I have to agree with the OP's point of view.

You cant have any fun in Random Arenas or Alliance Battles for that sake?
The community doesn't allow players to test builds either?
Sorry, but that is the worst kind of crap I ever heard.
I know it exist in form of ping your build for elite missions, but for some of the pvp where it is more about having fun and learning.
Its a game and not a job, for crying out loud.

Seraphic Divinity

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes Ascent

Mo/

29 Sep 2007 at 05:09 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

Well, I guess there goes me playing a monk with unyielding aura so I can repeatedly kill team mates.

go to AB with that ^^ much more fun and less risk of getting reported by 1/3 of the people :P...

Brett Kuntz

Core Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

29 Sep 2007 at 05:41 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

This is the kind of behaviour we need to be reporting in the game, I think everyone would agree on that.

Im far better at this game then you are, and my english is a lot better then yours. You should learn to read.

You also fail to understand simple terms - Leeching isnt playing the game and using skills, it isnt something you can get accused of doing when you are actually playing the game. If you dont like my skill bar, no one cares tbh. Report me for leaching for having a noob skillbar and risk getting banned.

The ingame message when you enter RA is very clear:

To report a teammate for leaching, select an INACTIVE teammate and type /report. Abuse of this feature may result in your account being banned.

You obviously cant understand that, and critisise my english. Get back into english class and start learning to read.

"If your that upset.." huh what, don't you mean "you're"??? Or do I not know how to read english?? "unfortunately" or "unfortunatly", which is it? You spell it differently every time?! "Leeching" or "Leaching", which is it? What does "critisise" mean? And don't get me started on lack of punctuation. You're an idiot.

If you're better then me at the game, why is it that nobody even knows who you are?

When they say "Abuse of this feature may result in your account being banned." they mean people who create macros to auto-report people, or people who just report everyone. People who go above and beyond to abuse the system. If you honestly think people who report you are going to get banned, that's hilarious.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

29 Sep 2007 at 05:42 - 62

Why do I feel that part of the people reporting others are doing it just to abuse the system and get it back to the way it was?

BTW, if you want to try an exprimental build, go to HB.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

29 Sep 2007 at 05:48 - 63

Personally, I would've reported everyone on the opposing team for not having the foresight to bring any enchantment removal. Basically rule one for me whenever I go into RA.

Boops

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

N/W

29 Sep 2007 at 05:50 - 64

Quote:

Originally Posted by kunt0r

"If your that upset.." huh what, don't you mean "you're"??? Or do I not know how to read english?? "unfortunately" or "unfortunatly", which is it? You spell it differently every time?! "Leeching" or "Leaching", which is it? What does "critisise" mean? And don't get me started on lack of punctuation. You're an idiot.

.

i understand his points quite clearly, and that's all that matters in a discussion such as this

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

29 Sep 2007 at 05:54 - 65

I went to RA today to check out the new changes.

FYI- Never going again.

The problem with this report system is the same problem that runs in the American Government, and democratic forms of ruling everywhere. Putting decisions in the hands of people.

People don't know how to make good decisions.
This is because people are not educated/refuse to educate themselves on how to make a good decision.
People make Bad decisions because of the above.
Somone else suffers for this ignorance.

No, someone does not suffer every time, but Anet, disregardless of all opinions, is not perfect, and does not catch everything.

A Bad decision, reporting someone using a build you think is deliberately bad.

You have no proof.
You have an opinion
An opinion is not fact.
Things less than fact are not good enough for them to dicate the guilt of others.

Character motion tracker ftw. Just check if they stay in the gate all the game. If so, they're leeching. If they're out there fighting, then don't penalize them. Simple as that.

Engel the Fallen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/Me

29 Sep 2007 at 05:56 - 66

So now the epic question. Hamstorm? Griefing?

I should start reporting people for using bad skills. Me + 1 other and that is points in RA.

Also Monk did not heal me, report. No rez, report. Running a non flavor of the week build, report.

Guess no more self destruction Dervish build for me.

Lonk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Gwonline Guild [GWO]

N/R

29 Sep 2007 at 07:09 - 67

I completely agree with the concept that you should be able to run any build you feel like in Random Arena, if people want certain teams, well theres Team Arena for that.

Reporting someone as a leecher because your team loses or you don't like their build is just wrong and I know it's going to happen. I recall a few weeks ago randomly taking my warrior into RA and some necro telling me I suck and it's my fault we got in a stalemate match, then whispered me insulting me and telling me to never PvP again.

Funny I just went and used the same build on my warrior and got 8 wins in a row fairly easily in RA. People just need to lose this elitist attitude and accept the fact you cannot be perfect or win every match.

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

29 Sep 2007 at 07:13 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boops

how can you tell?

for example:

i'm making a ranger

he has 12 fire magic and 12 expertise

let's call this build "cheap fire nuker"

he's got fire storm, flare, and throw dirt

so if i'm new...this build is ok, but if i'm just doing it to goof off, it's not?

do you have anything against doods who sync or leave?

because after all, they play ra to win

Eh lol? Even to goof of the build is hidious

Boops

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

N/W

29 Sep 2007 at 07:15 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Eh lol? Even to goof of the build is hidious

kind of the point

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

29 Sep 2007 at 07:52 - 70

bhavv fails at trolling.
bhavv fails at playing GWs.
report feature working as intended.

stuff needing addressing:
* Newbies having suxors builds: Few people start pvping rightaway, by time they choose to PvP in RA, they should have idea what is really stupid and what is not. If they get harased a lot for their build ... they should take hint and improve. PvP premade builds are kinda decent and can be played with 0 time invested, so it not like newbies dont have jumpstart possibility. They definitelly do not need to use "cheap nuker" stuff.
* People reporting everyone just for sake of doing it. If you didnt notice, reporting someone gives you dishonor too unless 3 others agree with you. Being report-everything jerk hurts you more than your victims.

Henchman

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

A cave in the Shiverpeaks

Mo/

29 Sep 2007 at 08:26 - 71

First, I'd just like to say that I LOVE the new system. I've actually been able to play fun normal matches, with no leavers or leechers.
The fact that RA is PACKED with districts right now proves that most people agree with me.

To the OP. Face it, what you are doing is griefing. Even if you are enjoying it and having fun, you are ruining the game for your teammates.
The only valid point you have is that there should be a report option for griefing.

This thread was an intended flame fest from the original post. Even if there is something to discuss about the new system, this thread is not doing it.

This thread really needs to be closed.. If you want to discuss the flaws of the system, you should do it civilized thread, and not a "I can't run my crappy builds anymore!!1" thread

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

29 Sep 2007 at 08:35 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

stuff needing addressing:
* Newbies having suxors builds: Few people start pvping rightaway, by time they choose to PvP in RA, they should have idea what is really stupid and what is not. If they get harased a lot for their build ... they should take hint and improve. PvP premade builds are kinda decent and can be played with 0 time invested, so it not like newbies dont have jumpstart possibility. They definitelly do not need to use "cheap nuker" stuff.

If you played with PvE pugs, you'd realise PvE players simply do not learn what sucks, because PvE isn't hard enough for it to matter. By the time they try out PvP, they are still using builds that suck, because they simply did not learn in PvE. Also, premade builds don't exist anymore, they were gone when they added the 'j' menu.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

* People reporting everyone just for sake of doing it. If you didnt notice, reporting someone gives you dishonor too unless 3 others agree with you. Being report-everything jerk hurts you more than your victims.

This definitely needs to be addressed. This is itself griefing - giving people dishonour points for doing nothing wrong.

Burning Blade

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Syag

29 Sep 2007 at 08:39 - 73

people like bhavv are reasons why the Report system should be implemented.

Stop crying

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

29 Sep 2007 at 08:46 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

If you played with PvE pugs, you'd realise PvE players simply do not learn what sucks, because PvE isn't hard enough for it to matter. By the time they try out PvP, they are still using builds that suck, because they simply did not learn in PvE. Also, premade builds don't exist anymore, they were gone when they added the 'j' menu.

Whenever you start new pvp character he has 5 skills equiped, including res sig and elite skill. That are new premades.

Yes, most pug people suck bigtime in PvE, thats why they should receive feedback ... even if it is as harsh /report spike. Also, they would still be tons better than bad builds people present here, so would run a lot less risk being reported.

But point is, even if you have little resources to get perfect build, you have enough resources to put together something that does not suck.

Besides, feture is new and people are triggerhappy. give it week and the only person consistently reported would be bhavv.

nugzta

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

29 Sep 2007 at 09:09 - 75

I dont get it.

People are used to leave in RA because they dont wanna play with bad players with bad builds. But now people get reported as griefing because they run bad builds?

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

29 Sep 2007 at 10:03 - 76

well I honestly think this is part of the reason its a test period. to make see how much its abused... I mean using a dumb build is not a report offense... Its just poor judgment... ATM the attitude is do what we want or we all report you... again. this will not help PvP. I think its a step in the right direction. but the problem is social not technological atm. this may help curb some of the social strife and grief in PvP in time, but the knee jerk reaction is going to be bad for a while as people use it for punishment just because they can, and think someone is stupid... Good thing the punitive action is not permanent. basically makes for a time out for a while. Ultimately that may be a good thing for people to chill out after a disastrous argument with others in the game.

N E D M

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Officer's Club

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

29 Sep 2007 at 11:19 - 77

If you are reporting Leeching, then report leeching,
not bad builds
not bad dye on armor
not bad attitude
not bad breath
not bad playing ability
use it wrong and kiss it goodbye

EDITED for clarity.

Mineria

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Denmark

Dragonslayers Of The [Mist]

W/Mo

29 Sep 2007 at 12:10 - 78

Wanted to say something unpleasant to those who say " you are not allowed to play this build, your not allowed to have fun", but I better don't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N E D M

Feature is to report leeching.
not bad builds
not bad play
not bad words
use it wrong and kiss it goodbye

Exactly, that is what it is for, not for people abusing it for their own ego.

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

W/A

29 Sep 2007 at 12:21 - 79

People are ganna report it even if you just call them a noob :S. THey have the power now so their ganna abuse it lol.

deluxe

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

Monkeyball Z

S.K.A.T. [Ban]

Mo/

29 Sep 2007 at 12:35 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

So let me get this straight. Some IWAY tiger asshole is griefing RA, and is crying because he has been reported? I vote ban the guy for a few days, it'd solve all our problems. Bhavv, you're a jerk, you're bad at the game, and your attempt at trolling is failing. You deserve to be reported. Stop griefing, and stop being a dick on guru.

I Agree with every single word, stop being a 10 y/o.