skill capping=lose
boogerboy72
wth, i cant capture a skill cause i dont have factions? the boss i killed used it, its kinda lame you cant get it. In the skill capture screen, it has like a lock over it, along with defile enchantments. thats really lame.
Vilaptca
um...you get what you pay for....
It has always been this way.
It has always been this way.
Ghryphon
Buy the campaign and you can cap it. Its simple...
If you dont have the campaign it comes from, why should you be able to cap it? Doesnt make any sense....
Its not "really lame", dont be cheap.
-Tiki
If you dont have the campaign it comes from, why should you be able to cap it? Doesnt make any sense....
Its not "really lame", dont be cheap.
-Tiki
Qual
Go and buy Factions if you want the skill ?
LifeInfusion
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Originally Posted by Vilaptca
It has always been this way.
exactly.
Besides you can get a copy of Factions relatively cheap since it was released April 2006...
Besides you can get a copy of Factions relatively cheap since it was released April 2006...
Arkantos
You're complaining because you cannot cap a skill that is from a campaign you do not own... :\
OlMurraniKasale
FYI, and totally irrelevant to this particular discussion: The lock also appears if you aren't sporting one of the professions of the skill.
If a creature is using the skill, I think you should be able to get it even if you don't own all campaigns. The moment ANet puts a skill into another campaign, it becomes part of that campaign - but that's just an opinion of hope.
If a creature is using the skill, I think you should be able to get it even if you don't own all campaigns. The moment ANet puts a skill into another campaign, it becomes part of that campaign - but that's just an opinion of hope.
boogerboy72
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Originally Posted by OlMurraniKasale
If a creature is using the skill, I think you should be able to get it even if you don't own all campaigns. The moment ANet puts a skill into another campaign, it becomes part of that campaign - but that's just an opinion of hope.
finally someone sees it my way, ill probably pick up factions, mainly for the skills and really good weapon crafters, but, i still think its unfair.
Ghryphon
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Originally Posted by OlMurraniKasale
FYI, and totally irrelevant to this particular discussion: The lock also appears if you aren't sporting one of the professions of the skill.
If a creature is using the skill, I think you should be able to get it even if you don't own all campaigns. The moment ANet puts a skill into another campaign, it becomes part of that campaign - but that's just an opinion of hope. Eh....No. The skills in GWEN is just an expansion. Its expanding on the other campaigns meaning things and storylines from them come into it. Skills and othre things will come from those campaigns.
Dont own them, then you dont get them. Its stupid to give people access to skills and other things if they dont buy it....dont be cheap >.<
Sorry to rain on your parade.
If GWEN was an actual campaign, it would have its own set of elite skills and so on and you could be able to cap them all. But its not...its a compilation from the previous campaigns. Which goes back to the original thought, if its an expansion of other games and you dont own it, why should you have access to it???
-Tiki
My 2 cents
If a creature is using the skill, I think you should be able to get it even if you don't own all campaigns. The moment ANet puts a skill into another campaign, it becomes part of that campaign - but that's just an opinion of hope. Eh....No. The skills in GWEN is just an expansion. Its expanding on the other campaigns meaning things and storylines from them come into it. Skills and othre things will come from those campaigns.
Dont own them, then you dont get them. Its stupid to give people access to skills and other things if they dont buy it....dont be cheap >.<
Sorry to rain on your parade.
If GWEN was an actual campaign, it would have its own set of elite skills and so on and you could be able to cap them all. But its not...its a compilation from the previous campaigns. Which goes back to the original thought, if its an expansion of other games and you dont own it, why should you have access to it???
-Tiki
My 2 cents
Ghryphon
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Originally Posted by boogerboy72
finally someone sees it my way, ill probably pick up factions, mainly for the skills and really good weapon crafters, but, i still think its unfair.
LOL...just because someone agrees with you doesnt make it right 
You will always find people who agree with wrong logic, just the way of life
**edit** oops, this was supposed to be an edit of my post above, my bad
You will always find people who agree with wrong logic, just the way of life **edit** oops, this was supposed to be an edit of my post above, my bad
boogerboy72
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Originally Posted by Ghryphon
LOL...just because someone agrees with you doesnt make it right You will always find people who agree with wrong logic, just the way of life
oh i know, just got all excited i wasnt gonna have to buy factions to get that and av, for duoing lol.
You will always find people who agree with wrong logic, just the way of life
oh i know, just got all excited i wasnt gonna have to buy factions to get that and av, for duoing lol.
Ghryphon
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Originally Posted by boogerboy72
oh i know, just got all excited i wasnt gonna have to buy factions to get that and av, for duoing lol.
hahaha 
good stuff
See there ya go, pickin up faction, gets you a buncha things
1: the skills
2: new campaign
3: lots more to do
win/win/win
Enjoy
-Tiki
See there ya go, pickin up faction, gets you a buncha things
1: the skills
2: new campaign
3: lots more to do
win/win/win
Enjoy
-Tiki
OlMurraniKasale
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Originally Posted by Ghryphon
You will always find people who agree with wrong logic, just the way of life
Wrong logic? Your using transcendent logic to try to prove your point is correct, which in actuality is neither correct nor incorrect. Its just an opinion, like mine was. ANet says you cannot cap skills from one campaign (or expansion for goodness sakes) unless you own it. That is a decision, and I might add a decision not immutable since ANet changes whatever they want when they want. It isn't an ethical debate or a moral dilemma - the OP stated an opinion and so did I.
I have an opinion that says its too bad you do have to own the campaign in which a skill lives in order to get it. I also have an opinion that buying the other campaign(s)/expansion is not bad or good, but I would suggest the OP do it for the multitude of other reasons that are definitely good and right - they are fun!
Wrong logic? Your using transcendent logic to try to prove your point is correct, which in actuality is neither correct nor incorrect. Its just an opinion, like mine was. ANet says you cannot cap skills from one campaign (or expansion for goodness sakes) unless you own it. That is a decision, and I might add a decision not immutable since ANet changes whatever they want when they want. It isn't an ethical debate or a moral dilemma - the OP stated an opinion and so did I. I have an opinion that says its too bad you do have to own the campaign in which a skill lives in order to get it. I also have an opinion that buying the other campaign(s)/expansion is not bad or good, but I would suggest the OP do it for the multitude of other reasons that are definitely good and right - they are fun!
lynnae
on a related note, being that i don't own factions either. if i bought the PvP pack, would i be able to cap factions skills in GW:EN? would i be able to utilize xandra and anton and razzah or would they still be heros i can see but not fully utilize their skills?
i did notice that with Livia, she comes with a factions skill. i could put it on Olias' skill bar, of course it's locked and i can't force him to use it, but he will use it of his own accord.
i did notice that with Livia, she comes with a factions skill. i could put it on Olias' skill bar, of course it's locked and i can't force him to use it, but he will use it of his own accord.
Voltar
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Originally Posted by lynnae
would i be able to utilize xandra and anton and razzah or would they still be heros i can see but not fully utilize their skills?
I would imagine the unlock pack would give your heroes the skills. I'm pretty sure Razah would come with it for PvP characters and not PvE without the full game. If you meant Xandra, she's a GW:EN hero and she has nothing to do with Factions.
BlackSephir
Yeah, people with only (for example) Proph + GWEN should be able to cap Factions and Nightfall elites for which they didn't pay.
Makes sense.
Not.
Makes sense.
Not.
lynnae
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Originally Posted by Voltar
I would imagine the unlock pack would give your heroes the skills. I'm pretty sure Razah would come with it for PvP characters and not PvE without the full game. If you meant Xandra, she's a GW:EN hero and she has nothing to do with Factions.
Xandra and Anton being the ritualist and assasin you pick up in GW:EN regardless of whether you have factions or not. i can't do anything with either of them except let them do their thing on their own, sort of like henchies.
i've had fun bringing xandra around on missions here and there, but tis annoying not being able to unlock skills for her. and i don't want the PvE for factions as i won't play it, just the skill unlocks for hero's and to PvP with it for helping out the guild. i wouldn't buy it unless i had both.
i've had fun bringing xandra around on missions here and there, but tis annoying not being able to unlock skills for her. and i don't want the PvE for factions as i won't play it, just the skill unlocks for hero's and to PvP with it for helping out the guild. i wouldn't buy it unless i had both.
kaheiyeh
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Originally Posted by boogerboy72
Your thinking is illogical.
Cyan Rhae
I think that sucks for you ... killing a boss but not being able to cap ... then again, maybe buy the other campaigns if you really want those skills? Im sure they will give you more then only Elite skills lol
Aggravaar
Well, it is an awkward situation, not being able to cap something you see is different than not being able to cap a boss you don't have access to cause you don't have the campaign. Allowing people to cap stuff they didn't pay for is out of the question, though.
How about: make it possible to cap only the core and gw:en skills from bosses in gw:en (while letting the bosses use whatever skills they originally had). People who don't have the campaigns don't get pissed off so much and people who do have access to it anyway.
Just my 2 smallest monetary units.
How about: make it possible to cap only the core and gw:en skills from bosses in gw:en (while letting the bosses use whatever skills they originally had). People who don't have the campaigns don't get pissed off so much and people who do have access to it anyway.
Just my 2 smallest monetary units.
Argon Draeth
I really dont get why people complain. People who own factions only don't complain when they're owned by enemies in AB using NF/Proph skills...people who own Proph only dont complain when they come across an Assassin or Paragon in GVG. Unfortunately you get what you pay for :P
on a slightly friendlier note: It IS unfair that you see these mobs using these nifty elites you cant access
It would also be unfair if you COULD cap them...i paid for all 3 campaigns...i expect to have access to more things than those who havn't got all campaigns
ANet might get the odd complaint or 2 about not being able to cap skills from a campaign they don't own. Imagine the complaints they'd get if they allowed everyone access to Factions/NF/Proph only skills
The system they have in place is the lesser of 2 evils.
on a slightly friendlier note: It IS unfair that you see these mobs using these nifty elites you cant access
It would also be unfair if you COULD cap them...i paid for all 3 campaigns...i expect to have access to more things than those who havn't got all campaigns
ANet might get the odd complaint or 2 about not being able to cap skills from a campaign they don't own. Imagine the complaints they'd get if they allowed everyone access to Factions/NF/Proph only skills
The system they have in place is the lesser of 2 evils.
OlMurraniKasale
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Yeah, people with only (for example) Proph + GWEN should be able to cap Factions and Nightfall elites for which they didn't pay.
Makes sense.
Not. But they did pay for it. The elites are in GWEN and the OP paid for GWEN. The OP could buy Factions, not play a single moment of it, and then would be allowed to cap the elite. Asking to be able to cap Elites available in GWEN (that he paid for) won't change your playstyle or belittle any accomplishments on anyone's part! ANet opted to include Elites in this fine "addition" to the GW universe. It won't make him better by having it unless he knows what he's doing, and if he does know what he's doing then he deserves to win a lot.
Really what most people are saying is that they think ANet has the right to require a customer pay for a campaign in order to garner Elites or Titles originating in the module. They do in my opinion - it belongs to them, and that's all it comes down to - ANet wants you to pay for a campaign even though they allow you to totally skip that campaign and cap Elites elsewhere in some other module that you also paid for.
I'm hoping the OP will buy Factions - its a damn good campaign and well worth playing just for that reason alone.
Makes sense.
Not. But they did pay for it. The elites are in GWEN and the OP paid for GWEN. The OP could buy Factions, not play a single moment of it, and then would be allowed to cap the elite. Asking to be able to cap Elites available in GWEN (that he paid for) won't change your playstyle or belittle any accomplishments on anyone's part! ANet opted to include Elites in this fine "addition" to the GW universe. It won't make him better by having it unless he knows what he's doing, and if he does know what he's doing then he deserves to win a lot.
Really what most people are saying is that they think ANet has the right to require a customer pay for a campaign in order to garner Elites or Titles originating in the module. They do in my opinion - it belongs to them, and that's all it comes down to - ANet wants you to pay for a campaign even though they allow you to totally skip that campaign and cap Elites elsewhere in some other module that you also paid for.
I'm hoping the OP will buy Factions - its a damn good campaign and well worth playing just for that reason alone.
BlackSephir
What a pile of bull...
You want to know what skills he bought when he bought GWEN?
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Skills_...f_the_North%29
And have a nice day.
Oh, and this wasn't a secret. People knew what skills will be in GWEN before the release.
You want to know what skills he bought when he bought GWEN?
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Skills_...f_the_North%29
And have a nice day.
Oh, and this wasn't a secret. People knew what skills will be in GWEN before the release.
Chronos the Defiler
I would have to disagree, it is a good campaign to own, but not overall a good campaign in my opinion, it rather lacks in comparison to the others.
Crom The Pale
I am on the fence here.
If an Elite skill is found outside of its original chapter then it should be a core skill, cappable from any boss that uses it.
On the other hand GW:EN is not a chapter but rather an expantion, that being the case the Elites being used by bosses should only be Core elites to begin with.
But hey, its not like this is the first time a Monster in GW has decided to cheat
If an Elite skill is found outside of its original chapter then it should be a core skill, cappable from any boss that uses it.
On the other hand GW:EN is not a chapter but rather an expantion, that being the case the Elites being used by bosses should only be Core elites to begin with.
But hey, its not like this is the first time a Monster in GW has decided to cheat
OlMurraniKasale
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
What a pile of bull...
You want to know what skills he bought when he bought GWEN?
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Skills_...f_the_North%29
And have a nice day. Here ya go: Elite Skills in Eye of the North
You want to know what skills he bought when he bought GWEN?
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Skills_...f_the_North%29
And have a nice day. Here ya go: Elite Skills in Eye of the North
isamu kurosawa
Let me guess, you will want to cap monster only skills next?
If gwen foes only used core elites then the difficulty would drop considerably. Just because they use certain skills doesn't mean you can.
If gwen foes only used core elites then the difficulty would drop considerably. Just because they use certain skills doesn't mean you can.
boogerboy72
i can see both sides, i see why i cant cap them, so it looks like ill be buying factions
moriz
it's a possibility that anet allows players to cap skills in GW:EN when they don't have the campaign that have them. after all, one of the biggest reason why GW high level pvp is stagnating right now is because new players need to essentially buy four full price games in order to be competitive. perhaps this will happen six months from now, but i don't really have too much hope for it.
Kakumei
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Originally Posted by OlMurraniKasale
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Kakumei
The crux of this argument is the difference between the words "in" and "from".
Don't use logic against people, they're defensless
blue.rellik
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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa
Let me guess, you will want to cap monster only skills next?
If gwen foes only used core elites then the difficulty would drop considerably. Just because they use certain skills doesn't mean you can. Who wouldn't?
If gwen foes only used core elites then the difficulty would drop considerably. Just because they use certain skills doesn't mean you can. Who wouldn't?
Silly Warrior
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Originally Posted by boogerboy72
wth, i cant capture a skill cause i dont have factions? the boss i killed used it, its kinda lame you cant get it. In the skill capture screen, it has like a lock over it, along with defile enchantments. thats really lame.
This should be expected, you didn't PAY for Factions, you shouldn't GET the skills.
Closed.
This should be expected, you didn't PAY for Factions, you shouldn't GET the skills.
Closed.