Divine Favor, as far as I can tell, is the only primary attribute with an effect limited exclusively to skills of the primary class.
Mesmers can quicken any spell.
Elementalists have energy pool enough to fuel just about any skill they like.
Warriors Strength works with any weapon.
Necros get energy from Soul Reaping irrespective of skillbar.
Assassins still get energy from guaranteed critical skills of other classes (e.g. Wild Blow).
Ritualists bestow extra health benefits on summoned necro minions or nature spirits.
Dervishes get energy and health back from any enchantment.
Paragons gain energy from the use of Warrior shouts on team-mates.
Only Rangers even come close with their Expertise, but that works on Necromancer Touch Skills as well.
A Monk's Divine Favor only works on monk spells, when surely for continuity it should apply to any spell cast on an ally.
Divine Favor ~ Continuity Fix needed.
SotiCoto
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Game balance is much more important than something like continuity.
SotiCoto
Balanced to what?
And how exactly would fixing Divine Favor this way do anything besides allowing monks to viably make use of secondary class spells?
And how exactly would fixing Divine Favor this way do anything besides allowing monks to viably make use of secondary class spells?
Trevor
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Balanced to what?
And how exactly would fixing Divine Favor this way do anything besides allowing monks to viably make use of secondary class spells? |
glountz
Buff Strenght, nerf SR and Charisma, DF is fine.
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Trevor
Healing off some mesmer or elementalist spell? That's just stupid.
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Originally Posted by glountz
Buff Strenght, nerf SR and Charisma, DF is fine.
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Soul Reaping has already been nerfed...
Charisma?
WTF is Charisma?
Faer
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Charisma?
WTF is Charisma? |
Yichi
Please feel free to explain exactically what spells or skills that I'm bringing on my monk OTHER than monk spells/skills that I will be casting on my allies....
zknifeh
Charisma:
Main Entry: cha·ris·ma
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek, favor, gift, from charizesthai to favor, from charis grace; akin to Greek chairein to rejoice -- more at YEARN
1 : a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader)
2 : a special magnetic charm or appeal <the charisma of a popular actor>
on the other hand... why would you even bother to "heal" someone from skills like.. I-hex? or something else that doesnt have much use?
Main Entry: cha·ris·ma
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek, favor, gift, from charizesthai to favor, from charis grace; akin to Greek chairein to rejoice -- more at YEARN
1 : a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader)
2 : a special magnetic charm or appeal <the charisma of a popular actor>
on the other hand... why would you even bother to "heal" someone from skills like.. I-hex? or something else that doesnt have much use?
glountz
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Charisma?
WTF is Charisma? |
enxa
It makes perfect sense. I cant think of a way this could be exploited by primary monks. so /signed
Cebe
Being able to go Mo/Rt and use Divine Favor with Restoration Magic heals would make Monks the supreme beings of the entire Guild Wars universe ... imo.
With the exception of a few lines of magic, such as Restoration, there really is very little in the way of spells from other professions which can be cast on other players, meaning you wouldn't get much benefit from it anyway. But even to me, it would seem like Divine Favor + Restoration would be overpowered. At 12 Restoration and 14 Divine you could get a heal of 201. 201 health from a 5-energy non-elite spell with a condition which is easy to meet.
With the exception of a few lines of magic, such as Restoration, there really is very little in the way of spells from other professions which can be cast on other players, meaning you wouldn't get much benefit from it anyway. But even to me, it would seem like Divine Favor + Restoration would be overpowered. At 12 Restoration and 14 Divine you could get a heal of 201. 201 health from a 5-energy non-elite spell with a condition which is easy to meet.
Antheus
Ok, the original reasoning is fine. DF is "unique".
But why?
For party/normal gameplay builds, I have hard time putting things on monk bar that aren't monk related.
So to me that sounds like it would only contribute to some other, possibly problematic/gimmicky builds.
And even then, DF bonus isn't really that much.
I don't really see how this would make or break anything, but I simply cannot think of any reasonable use or benefit it would bring. Even in some duo farming builds.
But why?
For party/normal gameplay builds, I have hard time putting things on monk bar that aren't monk related.
So to me that sounds like it would only contribute to some other, possibly problematic/gimmicky builds.
And even then, DF bonus isn't really that much.
I don't really see how this would make or break anything, but I simply cannot think of any reasonable use or benefit it would bring. Even in some duo farming builds.
zamial
adding a bit of more healing would be fine by me.
/signed but not for weapon spells as they target a weapon not an ally.
/signed but not for weapon spells as they target a weapon not an ally.
Yichi
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adding a bit of more healing would be fine by me.
/signed but not for weapon spells as they target a weapon not an ally. |
Im pretty sure it does target an ally.... (used WoW as an example here)
FelixCarter
People don't want to see Monks get buffed. Especially not after the SR nerf.
People want to see Divine Favor inhibited, not extended. I think Izzy even said somewhere on Wiki that Divine Favor and Smiting Prayers were going to be looked over again.
I'll give you a hint: make a Ritualist. After the community gets the nerf they want, Ritualists are going to be god-healers compared to their predecessors.
People want to see Divine Favor inhibited, not extended. I think Izzy even said somewhere on Wiki that Divine Favor and Smiting Prayers were going to be looked over again.
I'll give you a hint: make a Ritualist. After the community gets the nerf they want, Ritualists are going to be god-healers compared to their predecessors.
makosi
Or Divine Favor can trigger on signets just like what mesmers got.
DF really sucks.
DF really sucks.
Antheus
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What would this killer Monk build be? Ok, so they can heal better than rits. And rangers are better touchers than necros.
But is DF really what's stopping someone from using /Rt for this purpose? I'm unfortunately not familiar with Rt healing side enough to make such a guess. But can you propose a full heal or prot build that would benefit so much from it that the change would be worth making?
Either PvP or PvE.
zamial
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Let's pretend that divine favor applies to all spells.
What would this killer Monk build be? Ok, so they can heal better than rits. And rangers are better touchers than necros. But is DF really what's stopping someone from using /Rt for this purpose? I'm unfortunately not familiar with Rt healing side enough to make such a guess. But can you propose a full heal or prot build that would benefit so much from it that the change would be worth making? Either PvP or PvE. |
Try a vengful 55/105 smiter. OOOPS!!!
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Let's pretend that divine favor applies to all spells.
What would this killer Monk build be? |
As someone who's monked extensively, I'm pretty sure I know the monk mechanics pretty well to know that balance will be thrown off if you add DF to all spells that target an ally.
MagmaRed
Although I can't say exactly what I had said before, as I don't remember it, I can say:
Next we will be asking for Divine Favor to work on non targeted spells like Heal Party and Aegis.
Edited by Celestial Beaver: If you have a question for a Moderator, please feel free to PM us.
Next we will be asking for Divine Favor to work on non targeted spells like Heal Party and Aegis.
Edited by Celestial Beaver: If you have a question for a Moderator, please feel free to PM us.
Spazzer
Divine Favor is balanced. It just means is that Monk primaries never venture into their secondaries except for the occasional energy management tool.
MithranArkanere
Divine Favor laks only some boost to Holy Damage.
Something like:
If skills that deal holy damage will deal 2.5% extra damage per level.
Divine Favor means its skills are favored by a god.
Balthazar is a God. Balthazar's damage is 'Holy' (See form of Balthazar)
So that would fix the only point that Divine Favor lacks: Being good for smitting.
Something like:
If skills that deal holy damage will deal 2.5% extra damage per level.
Divine Favor means its skills are favored by a god.
Balthazar is a God. Balthazar's damage is 'Holy' (See form of Balthazar)
So that would fix the only point that Divine Favor lacks: Being good for smitting.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Not if it is a Monk casting it. Certainly no stupider than a monk healing with Smiting Prayers.
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Moloch Vein
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Being able to go Mo/Rt and use Divine Favor with Restoration Magic heals would make Monks the supreme beings of the entire Guild Wars universe ... imo.
With the exception of a few lines of magic, such as Restoration, there really is very little in the way of spells from other professions which can be cast on other players, meaning you wouldn't get much benefit from it anyway. But even to me, it would seem like Divine Favor + Restoration would be overpowered. At 12 Restoration and 14 Divine you could get a heal of 201. 201 health from a 5-energy non-elite spell with a condition which is easy to meet. |
For the most part I feel that adding this change would simply help the monks themselves to become more resilient as most spells they use from out of their own spell line tend not to target other ally thus the Divine bonus would almost exclusively go to the caster. Note that this is of course discounting the Rit support spell line.