So earth or wind? Melandru or Balthazar? That is the guestion.
PLEASE no that i'am NOT a new to dervs but just stuck to earth prayers.
PS:sorry for bad english and typos
Stuck with the earth prayers/avatar of balthazar derv build
t h i n e eyes b l e e d
So I have started wandering what the hell makes all of those "other" dervish build so crazy? I DO realize how great the wind prayers attribtue is, but I just can't make as good wind prayer build as a earth.... OOOHHH... and the avatar of balthazar.... it just makes me sad to use it all the time.... but then again the speed (usually i have to stóp and wait for my team mates to catch up) the armor (even bypasses the dolyak signet's armor gain) but withe the other avatars... I have tried all of them in Pvx (that means PvE and PvP incase you didn't know) I think that Melandru is the greatest but I understand that with a lower energy cost it would be overpowered but then again i loose all of my energy. (I use wind walkers)
So earth or wind? Melandru or Balthazar? That is the guestion.
PLEASE no that i'am NOT a new to dervs but just stuck to earth prayers.
PS:sorry for bad english and typos
So earth or wind? Melandru or Balthazar? That is the guestion.
PLEASE no that i'am NOT a new to dervs but just stuck to earth prayers.
PS:sorry for bad english and typos
Stormlord Alex
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Mel makes you unspikeable, unblindeable and lets you spam Eviscerate.
Tab
Earth Prayers are bad. Tanking is a waste of everyone's time. AoB is bad. Tanking again, and just run Rush for a constant speed boost.
AoM is by far the best avatar.
AoM is by far the best avatar.
~ Dan ~
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PLEASE no that i'am NOT a new to dervs
.. but yet you're using AoB. Dear god....
t h i n e eyes b l e e d
I know but do i just max out mysticism and scythe mastery?
I know that i'am doing it wrong but i just can't come out with an efficent wind
prayers build, that's why i'am looking for help
I know that i'am doing it wrong but i just can't come out with an efficent wind
prayers build, that's why i'am looking for help
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by t h i n e eyes b l e e d
I know but do i just max out mysticism and scythe mastery?
Works for me. Everything else gets in the way.
~ Dan ~
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I know that i'am doing it wrong but i just can't come out with an efficent wind prayers build
Sorry, but that's because there isn't one.
t h i n e eyes b l e e d
Thank you so is it like mystic vigor, faithfull intervention, AoM, zealous renewal, {attack skill},{attack skill},and some enchantment?
t h i n e eyes b l e e d
I got it all right... its a miracle! I'AM USING AVATAR OF MELANDRU AND NOT HAVING ISSUES WITH ENERGY!!!
Tab
Vigor, Intervention, Zealous are bad.
AoM
Wearying
Chilling/Zealous Sweep
Eremites
That PvE skill that recharges skills/Bull's Strike
Heart of Fury
Rush
Res Sig
AoM
Wearying
Chilling/Zealous Sweep
Eremites
That PvE skill that recharges skills/Bull's Strike
Heart of Fury
Rush
Res Sig
MBP
AoM is definately the best avatar
As for maxing mysticism or scythe I'd max myst just to get a longer avatar. You'll still do plenty of dps with a minor rune in scythe.
As for maxing mysticism or scythe I'd max myst just to get a longer avatar. You'll still do plenty of dps with a minor rune in scythe.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by MBP
AoM is definately the best avatar
As for maxing mysticism or scythe I'd max myst just to get a longer avatar. You'll still do plenty of dps with a minor rune in scythe. If you have eternal aura, which you should, an extra few seconds duration isn't a huge deal. Scythe mastery ftw.
Also, bring along a +20 energy staff to switch to, so you'll be able to use melandru even when you have DP.
Also, it can't be said enough that balthazar is a big gaping maw of suck.
As for maxing mysticism or scythe I'd max myst just to get a longer avatar. You'll still do plenty of dps with a minor rune in scythe. If you have eternal aura, which you should, an extra few seconds duration isn't a huge deal. Scythe mastery ftw.
Also, bring along a +20 energy staff to switch to, so you'll be able to use melandru even when you have DP.
Also, it can't be said enough that balthazar is a big gaping maw of suck.
Coloneh
I like dawanya myself. lets you specc into only myst and scythe while still maintaining a decent build(self heal) and hex immunity.
im pretty surprised no one has come in here screaming about lyssa yet, so try lyssa with mystic sweep, eremite's, and protector's strike. tons o dps and energy, zealous vow might not even max you out.
im pretty surprised no one has come in here screaming about lyssa yet, so try lyssa with mystic sweep, eremite's, and protector's strike. tons o dps and energy, zealous vow might not even max you out.
Orinn
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
I like dawanya myself. lets you specc into only myst and scythe while still maintaining a decent build(self heal) and hex immunity.
im pretty surprised no one has come in here screaming about lyssa yet, so try lyssa with mystic sweep, eremite's, and protector's strike. tons o dps and energy, zealous vow might not even max you out. Lyssa is incredibly fun when you don't have to worry about conditions. Lyssa, zealous daggers, and all dagger mastery attacks can put out some serious damage. I almost hate to admit this, but I've stopped running most of the avatars now, Ursan Blessing is just that much more fun. Suli's Scythe for zealous, and you can maintain ursan blessing for quite some time.
im pretty surprised no one has come in here screaming about lyssa yet, so try lyssa with mystic sweep, eremite's, and protector's strike. tons o dps and energy, zealous vow might not even max you out. Lyssa is incredibly fun when you don't have to worry about conditions. Lyssa, zealous daggers, and all dagger mastery attacks can put out some serious damage. I almost hate to admit this, but I've stopped running most of the avatars now, Ursan Blessing is just that much more fun. Suli's Scythe for zealous, and you can maintain ursan blessing for quite some time.
Sir Pandra Pierva
AoB is good for pve only. Yes I know the other ones are good in pve jsut I prefer for pve to use balth, mostly for running, but in pvp I use AoM that one owns all. AoD is good as well, anyway AoM I have never had energy troubles with at all.
draxynnic
Avatar of Balthazar isn't bad, it's just that the others are better due to synergies, while Balthazar just gives a flat bonus that doesn't synergise well with anything (in fact, with the cap on armour bonuses, it actually antisynergises with some skills)
Sir Pandra Pierva
I know it's not bad it's just that I prefer it for pve only cause of it's basic buffs.
t h i n e eyes b l e e d
So last night i tried all of them in alliance battles an RA then i went on a quick norn point farm. AoM and dwayna were definatly best. ihave tried then all in pvp and pve as said above but never got a decent build, cause of using earth prayers heavy energy cost enchantments.
Sir Pandra Pierva
In pve I have a basic derv avatar build that can put out ok dmg and lasts for a good while.
[skill]Vital Boon[/skill][skill]Twin Moon Sweep[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Signet of Pious Light[/skill][skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
15 Mystic
15 Scythe
The rest go into earth prayers
I use 2 sups and 1 major rune, but that puts me at very low health. Also you can switch out res sig for [skill]Eternal Aura[/skill] but really you don't need it also this build does work in pvp somewhat.
[skill]Vital Boon[/skill][skill]Twin Moon Sweep[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Signet of Pious Light[/skill][skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]
15 Mystic
15 Scythe
The rest go into earth prayers
I use 2 sups and 1 major rune, but that puts me at very low health. Also you can switch out res sig for [skill]Eternal Aura[/skill] but really you don't need it also this build does work in pvp somewhat.
Str0b0
AoB=worst avatar for general use. Melandru+a zealous scythe will keep you happy all day long with spammable deep wound and condition free killing, not to mention a health boost. Eternal aura is a must have for just about any avatar build in PvE since it completely cuts out that annoying downtime. Lyssa is nice for spikes and can generate some really impressive damage. The ONLY time I've ever used balthazar was in an AB and the sole purpose of the build I was using was to take out MM armies in a hurry. Banishing strike makes MM's cry with balthazar's holy damage but other than that it's not very useful.
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
In pve I have a basic derv avatar build that can put out ok dmg and lasts for a good while.
[skill]Vital Boon[/skill][skill]Twin Moon Sweep[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Signet of Pious Light[/skill][skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill] 15 Mystic 15 Scythe The rest go into earth prayers I use 2 sups and 1 major rune, but that puts me at very low health. Also you can switch out res sig for [skill]Eternal Aura[/skill] but really you don't need it also this build does work in pvp somewhat.  Twin moon sweep is a bad skill. Sig of pious light + vital boon is kinda a newbie combo. And why are you using mystic regen!?!? You have, 2 enchants, 1 of which you'll keep stripping for a heal, and with 12 myst and 12 scythe base stats, can you even afford to have 8 earth? (ah, i realise your use of runes.. i pity your monk) So that's what, 2-4 regen? You have no condition removal, no ias. And then of course, there's always AoB in the build...
Coloneh
seriously panda, that sone of the worst build ive ever seen. everything dan said PLUS your running multiple superiors. one superior is detrimental enough.
Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
That's not even a question. Balthazar is useless. To the max.
Mel makes you unspikeable, unblindeable and lets you spam Eviscerate. LOL WEARYING STRIKE FTW.
Sir Pandra Pierva
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Originally Posted by Str0b0
AoB=worst avatar for general use. Melandru+a zealous scythe will keep you happy all day long with spammable deep wound and condition free killing, not to mention a health boost. Eternal aura is a must have for just about any avatar build in PvE since it completely cuts out that annoying downtime. Lyssa is nice for spikes and can generate some really impressive damage. The ONLY time I've ever used balthazar was in an AB and the sole purpose of the build I was using was to take out MM armies in a hurry. Banishing strike makes MM's cry with balthazar's holy damage but other than that it's not very useful.
Agreed. Yet sill in pve AoB is good for people who wanna tank without having to put out too much effort.
Then I wonder what that says about other people in RA? Even though it is a noobie combo it works.
Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
Agreed. Yet sill in pve AoB is good for people who wanna tank without having to put out too much effort.
In the 1 or 2 areas that it's worthwhile to tank, you should be running obsidian flesh, not avatar of worthlessness.
Pericles
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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
In the 1 or 2 areas that it's worthwhile to tank, you should be running obsidian flesh, not avatar of worthlessness.
Hehe, this made me laugh. To the OP, i don't want to repeat what has been said for a thousandth time but i agree that AoB sucks, heres the order in which i think is best-worst (for pve):
Avatar of Melandru Avatar of Lyssa Avatar of Dwayna im not even gonna note it as it doesn't even deserve it's place here. I'll pay everyone who comes up with a reason for using AoB a large sum of money  !
Sir Pandra Pierva
Lol I posted AOB but that build was made to use all avatars. I was just using it in RA recently and doing very good.
Coloneh
succes in RA is not anything to base judgement of a build on.
~ Dan ~
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Utaku
Well, in RA, you can kill an unprotected caster in 3 swings, even with AoB. Doesn't prove anything.
~ Dan ~
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Well, in RA, you can kill an unprotected caster in 3 swings, even with AoB. Doesn't prove anything.
True, especially if they have 300hp like this guy does with his use of runes
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Sir Pandra Pierva
Lol I posted AOB but that build was made to use all avatars. I was just using it in RA recently and doing very good.
How was it made to use all avatars? It wouldn't have synergy with anything, except maybe Lyssa only because of the enormous energy you waste losing/recasting all of your enchantments constantly. You have two Superior runes, Avatar of Balthazar, and a self-heal nightmare going on. I'd really like to hear your explanation why its a good build?
Any build played by any person can do well in RA, if they get really good teammates or really bad enemies. Success in RA means less than nothing about a build.
Sir Pandra Pierva
lol
It's a decent build. It was working pretty good with dwayna actually.
draxynnic
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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
The way I look at it is that there's no such thing as an AoB dervish. As I stated in a different thread (I think it was a different thread) you can't hang a build off it like you can with the other avatars. So in most situations, a build using synergies with another avatar is going to be considerably more powerful. While Balthazar doesn't synergise with any skills, however, it also doesn't require any circumstances to be useful. Dwayna provides the most benefit when you're spamming skills. Lyssa provides the most benefit when the enemy is continuously using skills. Melandru is best used when the enemy is throwing conditions around or with skills like Wearying Strike. The elite enchantments are all keyed to various builds, weapons, or situations. Balthazar, on the other hand, provides a small benefit that is useful in almost all situations. Which I think is it's assigned purpose. In situations where the other elites are inappropriate or in builds where the elite just isn't that important, it provides a defensive alternative to elite scythe attacks (arguably even Wounding Strike is at its best with a build made to use it and quickly switching between delivering Bleeding and Deep Wound, but I suspect most players will just be happy with Deep Wound on tap), with some specific benefits when fighting undead or when mobility is important. There is no "AoB" dervish the way some dervish builds can be described by the elite they're using - the other Avatars and EDA, for instance - just Dervishes that happen to use AoB. It's not a bad skill. It fills its role. The problem is that its role as a general-purpose skill paradoxically reduces it to being a niche skill, as 99% of the time you're better off taking an elite more specific to your build or expected opposition.
Seef II
Heh, Balthazar's great for running places. I used it in Raisu Palace too, given the lack of conditions there and L28 enemies, but haven't touched it again since then. Melandru ftw, or to a lesser extent the elite scythe attacks.
~ Dan ~
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It's a decent build. It was working pretty good with dwayna actually. |
Quote: Originally Posted by draxynnic doesn't require any circumstances to be useful. Yes.. but there aren't any circumstances which it is useful. But i'm done with argueing this same thing, listen to good dervishes and accept Balthazar sucks, or stay on the same level as Sir Pandra Pierva.
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Heh, Balthazar's great for running places. I used it in Raisu Palace too, given the lack of conditions there and L28 enemies, but haven't touched it again since then. Melandru ftw, or to a lesser extent the elite scythe attacks.
No it's not. What're you gona keep stopping to remove every single snare? VoS runner > all avatar runners.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by draxynnic
It's not a bad skill.
Yes. It really is a bad skill. It's a bunch of weak, half-assed, unfocussed buffs rolled into a truly subpar elite.
You said it yourself, it doesn't synergize well with anything... Which is what makes it so bad. The elite is the keystone of a build, an exceptionally powerful skill that makes the whole thing... well... work smoothly. Trust me, any build that you could cobble together and throw Balth on, you'd be a million times more useful with Reaper's, Wounding, EDA.... or Skull Crack.
MBP
Ok AoB is bad...please accept it! People only think he's good because he looks cool.
Now back to the topic at hand... When using a AoM build how one would fit in self heal? Over a 3rd attack or over res? Or would it not really be needed because of the +100 health you should have constantly? From the previous posts...I was thinking AoM Eternal Aura Heart of Fury Mystic Vigor/Zealous Sweep Wearying Strike Eremite's Attack Rush Res
Marverick
Since I assume that's PvE with the use of Eternal Aura, dump Rush for it. You don't need a speed boost for PvE.
Although I personally wouldn't run with a self heal in PvE meh, you have Monks you know. Take Great Dwarf Armor to increase your armor and stop your red bar from going down, and let them worry about red bars going up.
Coloneh
victorious sweep
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