Stuck with the earth prayers/avatar of balthazar derv build

So I have started wandering what the hell makes all of those "other" dervish build so crazy? I DO realize how great the wind prayers attribtue is, but I just can't make as good wind prayer build as a earth.... OOOHHH... and the avatar of balthazar.... it just makes me sad to use it all the time.... but then again the speed (usually i have to stóp and wait for my team mates to catch up) the armor (even bypasses the dolyak signet's armor gain) but withe the other avatars... I have tried all of them in Pvx (that means PvE and PvP incase you didn't know) I think that Melandru is the greatest but I understand that with a lower energy cost it would be overpowered but then again i loose all of my energy. (I use wind walkers)

So earth or wind? Melandru or Balthazar? That is the guestion.

PLEASE no that i'am NOT a new to dervs but just stuck to earth prayers.


PS:sorry for bad english and typos

Quote: Melandru or Balthazar? That's not even a question. Balthazar is useless. To the max.
Mel makes you unspikeable, unblindeable and lets you spam Eviscerate.

Earth Prayers are bad. Tanking is a waste of everyone's time. AoB is bad. Tanking again, and just run Rush for a constant speed boost.
AoM is by far the best avatar.

Quote: Originally Posted by t h i n e eyes b l e e d

I know but do i just max out mysticism and scythe mastery?
I know that i'am doing it wrong but i just can't come out with an efficent wind
prayers build, that's why i'am looking for help

Quote: Originally Posted by t h i n e eyes b l e e d

Quote: Originally Posted by t h i n e eyes b l e e d

Thank you so is it like mystic vigor, faithfull intervention, AoM, zealous renewal, {attack skill},{attack skill},and some enchantment?

I got it all right... its a miracle! I'AM USING AVATAR OF MELANDRU AND NOT HAVING ISSUES WITH ENERGY!!!

Vigor, Intervention, Zealous are bad.
AoM
Wearying
Chilling/Zealous Sweep
Eremites
That PvE skill that recharges skills/Bull's Strike
Heart of Fury
Rush
Res Sig

AoM is definately the best avatar

As for maxing mysticism or scythe I'd max myst just to get a longer avatar. You'll still do plenty of dps with a minor rune in scythe.

Quote: Originally Posted by MBP

I like dawanya myself. lets you specc into only myst and scythe while still maintaining a decent build(self heal) and hex immunity.

im pretty surprised no one has come in here screaming about lyssa yet, so try lyssa with mystic sweep, eremite's, and protector's strike. tons o dps and energy, zealous vow might not even max you out.

Quote: Originally Posted by Coloneh

AoB is good for pve only. Yes I know the other ones are good in pve jsut I prefer for pve to use balth, mostly for running, but in pvp I use AoM that one owns all. AoD is good as well, anyway AoM I have never had energy troubles with at all.

Avatar of Balthazar isn't bad, it's just that the others are better due to synergies, while Balthazar just gives a flat bonus that doesn't synergise well with anything (in fact, with the cap on armour bonuses, it actually antisynergises with some skills)

I know it's not bad it's just that I prefer it for pve only cause of it's basic buffs.

So last night i tried all of them in alliance battles an RA then i went on a quick norn point farm. AoM and dwayna were definatly best. ihave tried then all in pvp and pve as said above but never got a decent build, cause of using earth prayers heavy energy cost enchantments.

In pve I have a basic derv avatar build that can put out ok dmg and lasts for a good while.

[skill]Vital Boon[/skill][skill]Twin Moon Sweep[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Signet of Pious Light[/skill][skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

15 Mystic
15 Scythe
The rest go into earth prayers

I use 2 sups and 1 major rune, but that puts me at very low health. Also you can switch out res sig for [skill]Eternal Aura[/skill] but really you don't need it also this build does work in pvp somewhat.

AoB=worst avatar for general use. Melandru+a zealous scythe will keep you happy all day long with spammable deep wound and condition free killing, not to mention a health boost. Eternal aura is a must have for just about any avatar build in PvE since it completely cuts out that annoying downtime. Lyssa is nice for spikes and can generate some really impressive damage. The ONLY time I've ever used balthazar was in an AB and the sole purpose of the build I was using was to take out MM armies in a hurry. Banishing strike makes MM's cry with balthazar's holy damage but other than that it's not very useful.