YES!
Now can I get my r4 even more quicker ^^
~Prof.
Double Fame weekend yet again
Prof Of Black
bungusmaximus
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It would be nice, just once, to see a thread where the PvE and PvP folk don't troll each other.
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makosi
Time to get the thumpers out! Let's not forget Olias.
bungusmaximus
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Time to get the thumpers out! Let's not forget Olias.
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_June
Darn, my computer has been down for a month and have not been able to log on...this means I have missed all 3 or so x2 fame weekends so far >.<
(Side note) : People flame hero/spiritway but it is still a build, the only reason people have a problem with it, is because they say it requires no skill, and yet they still get rolled by it, that's what makes people angry.. The current metagame is EASY to beat if you have a half decent team, so less QQ about it imo
(Side note) : People flame hero/spiritway but it is still a build, the only reason people have a problem with it, is because they say it requires no skill, and yet they still get rolled by it, that's what makes people angry.. The current metagame is EASY to beat if you have a half decent team, so less QQ about it imo
Juno Onuj
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Originally Posted by bungusmaximus
Why don't they nerf RaO first and then do a double fame weekend? that would be fun ^^.
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SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Esan
It would be nice, just once, to see a thread where the PvE and PvP folk don't troll each other.
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Many PvPers think PvE is teh suck.
I think PvP is teh suck.
We disagree... a lot. Ultimately nobody gets hurt.
*shrugs*
TideSwayer
Another weekend goes by without Double EotN Reputation Points or Double Sunspear-Lightbringer points.
*sighs*
*sighs*
Ghost Recon
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And while they're at it they can go ahead and remove heroes from pvp.
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/fail
Juno Onuj
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Originally Posted by Ghost Recon
Whats the point if you can't beat heroway you shouldn't be playing PvP anyway.
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Ghost Recon
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Umm we do beat it, that isn't the point. The point is, there shouldn't be heroes in a Player vs Player arena (hero battles being the obvious exception). And if you can't understand the reasoning behind that, well /fail.
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Most people don't care because 1) heroway is easy to beat, 2) you don't see many after the first few levels (unless they skip) 3) there free fame.
Which means there is going to be a lot of free fame this weekend x2
_June
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Your still fighting 6 players
Most people don't care because 1) heroway is easy to beat, 2) you don't see many after the first few levels (unless they skip) 3) there free fame. Which means there is going to be a lot of free fame this weekend x2 |
All this QQ about it being Player v Player and not Hero v Player is sad, leave heroes in pvp, it's up to people how they use them and if someone is going to have a breakdown about people using them then they need to go to pve or something were their ego won't be broken :P
Juno Onuj
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Originally Posted by Ghost Recon
Your still fighting 6 players
Most people don't care because 1) heroway is easy to beat, 2) you don't see many after the first few levels (unless they skip) 3) there free fame. Which means there is going to be a lot of free fame this weekend x2 |
_June
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The fact that it's 6 players makes no difference, necro heroes play their roles better than any human could. Yes, they are easy to beat as the players running these builds are terrible. Still that isn't the point, the fact of the matter is that they shouldn't be there to begin with.
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bottom line is that heroes should stay because a few people QQing about them losing to it is no reason for change, it's easy to beat and if you can't then it's /fail as they say
Star Gazer
yay! maybe i can do some HA this weekend 
Crusheer
oh great, there will be another r6 newbs who ran spiritway for whole weekend and cant play anything but rao....gg anet
NoXiFy
Maybe its like last time, new maps? Switching old ones! GET RID OF THE AB ONE.
Juno Onuj
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They are still a part of the game and last time I checked the heroes were contolled by humans behind the keyboards so technically it still is Player vs Player
bottom line is that heroes should stay because a few people QQing about them losing to it is no reason for change, it's easy to beat and if you can't then it's /fail as they say |
Controlled by humans to a very little extent, sorry not Player vs Player. That's the reason they use heroes for things like tainted, the A.I. can micromanage taints, jagged bones, and death novas far better than you ever could.
Once again, most people "QQing" about them aren't doing so because of an inability to beat said teams. These teams are annoyingly boring and make HA like PvE only without the the drops. Fight the same build over and over every map until halls.
AlienFromBeyond
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Low Fame =/= Bad at Guild Wars
Low Fame == New to HA. You're new to HA, you obviously will not have a high fame rank... and without that, you can't get into any groups and learn to play. PvP Elitism at it's worst. You assume that someone who is new to HA (but may be incredibly experienced at other aspects of PvP, not saying this is the case with me but it is with some) is automatically bad at Guild Wars? People like you are the sort of people who make HA so hard for people to get in to HA. Tell me, do you wish that no new players would come to Heroes' Ascent? Small wonder PvE outnumbers PvP. Your own demise, you have brought upon yourselves. GW2 will be more PvE focused than GW1 which was originally a PvP-focused game, now focused on PvE. Why? Because most people went to PvE. Why? Because PvP elitists created a hostile and unwelcoming atmosphere that is hard to get in to and in the case of HA outright rejected the new players. Had you been more welcoming to new players, helped them learn, perhaps PvP would have a larger, stronger player base, instead of being a haughty, arrogant minority. Am I a casual player? No. I'm a hardcore addict. I'm not asking for content for casuals, I'm asking for a way for the new players to have a way to get a group in HA. |
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PvE skills are also a part of the game. By your logic they should be allowed as well.
Controlled by humans to a very little extent, sorry not Player vs Player. That's the reason they use heroes for things like tainted, the A.I. can micromanage taints, jagged bones, and death novas far better than you ever could. Once again, most people "QQing" about them aren't doing so because of an inability to beat said teams. These teams are annoyingly boring and make HA like PvE only without the the drops. Fight the same build over and over every map until halls. |
As far Heroes Ascent seeming like Pve you are right, but I have to say in my opinion Ha has been broken since they changed to 6v6, so there is not much anet can do for it..On the topic of 6v6 I have to say I liked it better than the 8v8 we have now, sure it will just go back to the metagame of a boa sin and a sh ele but atleast we won't be as bored as we are now
There is a thread going atm that anet is asking for ideas on bringing pvp back and "fixing" it I guess you could say, so I hope something will take affect soon
Thanks for replying to my post Juno
P.s I don't know what you mean when you say pve skills?
Avarre
People who don't play HA need to stop commenting about HA as if they do.
Winterclaw
I'd like to join in this one if I can get a group that can at least win one or two matches.
LFG unranked balanced
LFG unranked balanced
_June
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People who don't play HA need to stop commenting about HA as if they do.
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Juno Onuj
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P.s I don't know what you mean when you say pve skills? |
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/List_...e_North_skills
RhanoctJocosa
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Agreed, If you can't beat a hero/spiritway then you need to seriously consider moving on to a different part of the game..
All this QQ about it being Player v Player and not Hero v Player is sad, leave heroes in pvp, it's up to people how they use them and if someone is going to have a breakdown about people using them then they need to go to pve or something were their ego won't be broken :P |
Mmmm, another 2x fame weekend. Cool. At least there will be less waiting times in between matches, one can hope.
Also, people still can't possibly be complaining about fame discrimination. Honestly, with numerous DOUBLE FAME weekends, time with FULL HERO teams and YEARS to get into HA if you're not a decent rank by now it's nobodies fault but yours.
Oh, and, if Avarre wasn't refering to you, you should probably stop posting in this thread because all you're trying to do is steer it off-track.
_June
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It's been debated over and over- the problem isn't beating heroes it's the fact that you aren't fighting real people, which is lame as shit.
Mmmm, another 2x fame weekend. Cool. At least there will be less waiting times in between matches, one can hope. Also, people still can't possibly be complaining about fame discrimination. Honestly, with numerous DOUBLE FAME weekends, time with FULL HERO teams and YEARS to get into HA if you're not a decent rank by now it's nobodies fault but yours. Oh, and, if Avarre wasn't refering to you, you should probably stop posting in this thread because all you're trying to do is steer it off-track. |
I don't know what you mean by that last statement, is it you're wish that I stop posting because I am trying to "steer the topic off track", if that's the case a ton of people would be requested to stop posting as I am mearly stating an opinion on a topic started on the first page of this thread.
I am not aware that I am trying to diverge the topic if that's the case
Thanks
bungusmaximus
Rank discrimination is nonsense anyways imo, get full unlocks, don't sound like an idiot, go in and PWN some ^^
_June
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PvE skills are those introduced in Nightfall and EoTN that cannot be used an any PvP arenas. Here are some from EoTN at the bottom of the page:
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But I guess people are trying to get Anet to make heroes Pve only (with the exception of hero battles)?
I am not here to flame or anything of that nature, however I welcome any that feel the need to flame my posts, just know I won't return the favor
CHunterX
Didn't they just have this 3 weeks ago? Where was the double SS/LB weekend?
Star Gazer
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Honestly, with numerous DOUBLE FAME weekends, time with FULL HERO teams and YEARS to get into HA if you're not a decent rank by now it's nobodies fault but yours.
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_June
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wow, so it was MY fault that people were discriminating against me because i wasnt r3 back then? thats leet man. I sat in HA last night just to see the environment to see if it was "new player" friendly. No, infact, its still the steaming stinkpile it was 2+ years ago. People think that an emote shows off their ability to PvP. I personally think its the GUILD of the person, and that one guy thinks hes bad ass. Until all this elitest 'glf r10+ thumper' (and btw, how god damn hard is it to do that? does it really require 2 years of non-stop HA to learn how to use skills?) shit stops, there will never be new blood in HA. Thats my two cents.
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Having a rank does mean you have some experience in that area but a person should not be discriminated against just because they don't have the rank a group requires when they could turn out playing more effectivly than some of the ranked people on the team
Thanks for reading
bungusmaximus
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'glf r10+ thumper' (and btw, how god damn hard is it to do that? does it really require 2 years of non-stop HA to learn how to use skills?)
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But still, when you PUG, the rank system really is the only thing you have to determine wether someone did his/her fair share of PvP. And then, it doesn't even tell if the player in question is good. I've seen people playing HA that were more horrible then I was at that time, and they were r3+.
Usually the people with a little bit of imagination are capable of determining wether they need a certain person or not. Rank isn't always that important to people, they usually care more about unlocks or having vent or not. Not everyone takes HA that seriously, and those kind of people are most fun to play with in the first place.
onerabbit
double chest drop please =P
Avarre
Most decent players know rank means very little with regards to actual skill. It does, however, imply experience in HA.
If I have to PuG someone, and know nothing about them, I'll take a ranked player because I at least know they've played HA and have won rounds before, and are thus more likely to perform well.
Elitism with rank isn't really about 'low rank = noob'. It's more about not wanting to risk wasting time with someone who has little or no experience in the arena, because HA is about winning rounds, and losing for stupid reasons isn't fun.
If I have to PuG someone, and know nothing about them, I'll take a ranked player because I at least know they've played HA and have won rounds before, and are thus more likely to perform well.
Elitism with rank isn't really about 'low rank = noob'. It's more about not wanting to risk wasting time with someone who has little or no experience in the arena, because HA is about winning rounds, and losing for stupid reasons isn't fun.
Bryant Again
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double chest drop please =P
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Star Gazer
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I understand you guys want to have your guild name/char name infront of the "won hall of heros", but how about giving others a chance? We cant learn if noone teaches...and RA is hardly an example of a "learning" arena...sure, it gives you survivability odds on your character, but in no way does it promote team synergy, which ultimately helps you win. I have been playing since betas, and I do have a sense of what synergy is and how skills function and work together. I am also UAX (not from balthazaar), but I also have roughly 1mil b. points. BUT I am rank 0, with 10 fame. I suck? No. Do I have opportunities? No. Just keep this in mind when others want to play, or have been politely (not that same message 4 times in a sequence to catch your attention...i wouldnt do it either) been "LFG Nuker" or the like.
Lagg
I'm rank 6 and I haven't played HA since 2005 (then ToPK).
No, I didn't IWAY. I did much much worse requiring even less skill: Edgebomb.
Heck, I had fun playing that. Too bad it got nerfed (I had quit playing some time before anyway).
To the point.
Does that mean some HA PUGs today would rather have me than some newer guy playing HA every day desperately trying to reach rank 3/6?
Yes, of course.
Arguably, you could say I still have more experience playing the game generally, even though I'm completely out of touch with the HA metagame (except from hearsay).
So, yes, I call bullshit.
Should we end rank discrimination?
I'm afraid this is entirely in Anet's hands and, even worse, would kill what little there is left of the HA community.
My 2 cents: just stay out of there kids and let the (usually very angry) people farm each other in the everlasting quest for the Phoenix fart.
No, I didn't IWAY. I did much much worse requiring even less skill: Edgebomb.
Heck, I had fun playing that. Too bad it got nerfed (I had quit playing some time before anyway).
To the point.
Does that mean some HA PUGs today would rather have me than some newer guy playing HA every day desperately trying to reach rank 3/6?
Yes, of course.
Arguably, you could say I still have more experience playing the game generally, even though I'm completely out of touch with the HA metagame (except from hearsay).
So, yes, I call bullshit.
Should we end rank discrimination?
I'm afraid this is entirely in Anet's hands and, even worse, would kill what little there is left of the HA community.
My 2 cents: just stay out of there kids and let the (usually very angry) people farm each other in the everlasting quest for the Phoenix fart.
Thom Bangalter
At this point, I don't know who the double fame weekends are benefiting. People going for rank 12 I guess, but they'd be doing HA this weekend anyway.
Kyp Jade
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I am talking about those groups that have 7/8, and STILL are looking for an r10 to join...because they can press button more efficently than an r0? what kind of shit are you on?
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I know my skills. I know how to play. What I want is people to stop being so discriminatory towards r0 people that they dont even know. I am happy with my guild and with my friends. I should give them up to PvP? Jesus, wheres your sense of loyalty?
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I tought myself everything in this game. I went from soloing pre to henching prophecies and factions. Then when heros came out, I vanquished with heros and henchies. I know about team synergy and I know how to execute. What I do not know is what types of team builds are good for HA. Or maybe I just want to get to know a few people so I can let them know I am available for a group.
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People who are new to this game (god help them, they have no idea how much better it was) have absolutely 0 chance of getting into ha. Like I said: give people a chance if your looking for that last member. Tell them what you want, if they cannot provide them skills, then let them be on their way and go to the next person. With this weekend coming up, and everyone talking about how dead HA has been/how dull, how about welcome the players that are going to be trying it. Who knows, they might come up with the next FoTM.
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Things like rt spike, thumperway, heroway that just anyone can pick up and play are not the kind of things we like to see.
And, as for welcomming new players into groups, LOL, pve is the same way, someone just tells them to hero and hench it and be on thier way. No help in pve either.
Avarre
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BUT I am rank 0, with 10 fame. I suck? No. Do I have opportunities? No. Just keep this in mind when others want to play, or have been politely (not that same message 4 times in a sequence to catch your attention...i wouldnt do it either) been "LFG Nuker" or the like.
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If a full PuG team is forming, they want the most success because the whole point of them making the group is to win. So they're going to go with the more experienced person because they're more likely to be good.
If a Guild team is forming, and they have a gap, they're going to want someone competent to fill the space if they can't get another off alliance/friend lists. For most of them, pugging is a final resort, and a search for someone to replace a capable team member. However, if a guild is drawing from it's own ranks, they might take a less experienced player who is a part of the guild and thus can be continually improved - how I got the majority of my early HA and GvG experienced.
I don't have a problem with taking new players. I don't HA much now, but back when I did we always advertised r9+ simply to weed out players who a) were likely to be idiots and b) weren't as likely to have stuff unlocked. It was fairly often we ended up with people who were lower ranked but could play the builds we needed well enough.
The best way to get past the rank wall? Understand that rank is a method of determining the capability of a player you have no knowledge of - and remove yourself from that category by making contacts. Making contacts is the most important part of the game, and can be the hardest for a new player, but it's the biggest and most important step to getting into groups and learning quickly.