The idea is simple.
A message board free for anyone in the guild to use, to leave messages to other members when they are offline, or simply to display information, whether it be event times or other useful notices that cant be put into the notice section of the guild panel.
Messages posted on the message board will not be automatically displayed like the guild notices upon login to avoid any unwanted messages. The message board, much like the notices will be accessed in a new tab under the guild box.
This is practical, and it would be a sure help to pass on information between timezones, eliminating some of the communication difficulties between members of international or multi timezone guilds.
Thoughts?
Guild Message Board
Pwny Ride
JeniM
Guild Leader and Officers can remove any message at anytime and maybe a timer when you post a message "Show message for 12/24/48 hours"
Nice idea though
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Nice idea though
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Masta Panda
how bout this idea, an alliance cape that the alliance members can wear when doing stuff with the alliance, and an alliance message system that the leader of the alliance, the guild leaders and officers can write on thats like the guild message system but spreads to the alliance so that its easier to get important information to all of the alliance.
Zahr Dalsk
HawkofStorms
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Zahr Dalsk
Bouldershoulder
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I don't see why they could not do this. It would help my guild keep in contact more without stressing over a website.
I don't see why they could not do this. It would help my guild keep in contact more without stressing over a website.
Div
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Exterminate all
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Tons of website out there give you free forums that you can sign up for...Lots are free some nice ones are very cheap..
Google free forum hosting..
Tons of website out there give you free forums that you can sign up for...Lots are free some nice ones are very cheap..
Google free forum hosting..
Snow Bunny
Online forums.
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Sleeper Service
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1. Free Forum URLs tend to be long and complicated.
2. Why register on a Guild forum if you can gain access to all GW related material on specialized websites like this?
3. Why register on a forum for a guild you might leave in 2 days or 2 hours ?
4. inter-guild communication is always good.
5. perhaps expanding the message board capabilities to include the Alliance.
the "use forums" is not a solution you might as well tell CSS players to use the telephone.
1. Free Forum URLs tend to be long and complicated.
2. Why register on a Guild forum if you can gain access to all GW related material on specialized websites like this?
3. Why register on a forum for a guild you might leave in 2 days or 2 hours ?
4. inter-guild communication is always good.
5. perhaps expanding the message board capabilities to include the Alliance.
the "use forums" is not a solution you might as well tell CSS players to use the telephone.
Mike_version2
just use a forum =/
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Sleeper Service
i have to say i'm loving the response here.
"just use the forum" is not a solution, its a workaround.
"just use the forum" is not a solution, its a workaround.
MithranArkanere
Anet answer:
- Servers are not free. Use external forums.
People do that. Setting the game windowed is so easy to make those things easier.
- Servers are not free. Use external forums.
People do that. Setting the game windowed is so easy to make those things easier.
Sleeper Service
The Op is not asking for a forum. (s)hes presenting the idea of expanding the current capabilities of the Guild Message Board to include all members in a separate tab. Its not radically different to what we have now and improves communication.
its like leaving a note on the fridge to the rest of the family. I fail to see why one should have to buy a whole white-board to do that when bit of scrap paper and a cheap magnet does the trick.
In fact i see it as more of a Party window that would store a line of text but only for Guild Members, messages could be modified only by the OP or of course Guild Officers (to curb abuse).
I dunno what the exact figures are but im guessing from game experience that the VAST majority of Guilds evolve at members number of about 20 to 30.
With the member turnover that Guilds have, for example; mine has a turnover of +5 or+4 per month followed by maybe -3 or -4 during the same period due to them leaving (willingly or not) having a Forum dedicated to the guild quickly turns into a very "cliquish" place where the "Core" group post about various things....but the new players just don't use it for all the reasons mentioned above.
Not asking for a mega drain on server resources here, just either a new message tab available to all or even better an adapted Party Search Window available to Guild only where 1 line texts can be stored from members for all to see.
its like leaving a note on the fridge to the rest of the family. I fail to see why one should have to buy a whole white-board to do that when bit of scrap paper and a cheap magnet does the trick.
In fact i see it as more of a Party window that would store a line of text but only for Guild Members, messages could be modified only by the OP or of course Guild Officers (to curb abuse).
I dunno what the exact figures are but im guessing from game experience that the VAST majority of Guilds evolve at members number of about 20 to 30.
With the member turnover that Guilds have, for example; mine has a turnover of +5 or+4 per month followed by maybe -3 or -4 during the same period due to them leaving (willingly or not) having a Forum dedicated to the guild quickly turns into a very "cliquish" place where the "Core" group post about various things....but the new players just don't use it for all the reasons mentioned above.
Not asking for a mega drain on server resources here, just either a new message tab available to all or even better an adapted Party Search Window available to Guild only where 1 line texts can be stored from members for all to see.
MithranArkanere
Have you ever seen how many guilds are there.
There are a lot of players that make single-player guilds just to have their own capes.
And have you seen the Guild Message panel? It's REALLY limited in number of characters, really a few. You have to use crapy SMS slang to fit bigger messages. If they could make it bigger, or the party search strings bigger, they would have already done so.
They can't because space is limited in such matters.
There are a lot of players that make single-player guilds just to have their own capes.
And have you seen the Guild Message panel? It's REALLY limited in number of characters, really a few. You have to use crapy SMS slang to fit bigger messages. If they could make it bigger, or the party search strings bigger, they would have already done so.
They can't because space is limited in such matters.
Sleeper Service
why on earth would single players in their guild want to message themselves, in the end its only a single message IE: line of text, in anycase.
Players chat to each other constantly. i dread to think how many MILLIONS lines of text goes through Anet servers at any given moment...but hold on.
Text does not just "go Through" the server its actually stored because we know (and Anet has admitted to) that they keep LOGS of all our conversations. my guesstimate is about 2 weeks or less.
so they stick a 48H timer on the messages in the Guild Party Board, i'm cool with that.
Anet have the resources to do this. impact would be minimal on their side.
player and Guilds would greatly benefit.
Players chat to each other constantly. i dread to think how many MILLIONS lines of text goes through Anet servers at any given moment...but hold on.
Text does not just "go Through" the server its actually stored because we know (and Anet has admitted to) that they keep LOGS of all our conversations. my guesstimate is about 2 weeks or less.
so they stick a 48H timer on the messages in the Guild Party Board, i'm cool with that.
Anet have the resources to do this. impact would be minimal on their side.
player and Guilds would greatly benefit.
Sleeper Service
i just ran the math.
I seriously hope that Anet is using a better program than notepad to store text but i can compare with only this.
I understand that there would be more to it that just server space but somehow I doubt that the bandwidth drain would be much considering what exactly we are running here and the amount of data that we would be receiving.
this is NOT a drain on resources. It would be helpful.
I seriously hope that Anet is using a better program than notepad to store text but i can compare with only this.
I understand that there would be more to it that just server space but somehow I doubt that the bandwidth drain would be much considering what exactly we are running here and the amount of data that we would be receiving.
this is NOT a drain on resources. It would be helpful.
Omniop Nop Chominop
I wholeheartedly agree with Sleeper service on this one. I simply haven't seen a convincing reason why not to do it - and the benefits are certainly there to be had.
Zinger314
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I wholeheartedly agree with Sleeper service on this one. I simply haven't seen a convincing reason why not to do it - and the benefits are certainly there to be had.
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HawkofStorms
Guild Wars Forums - GW Guru Statistics
Threads: 396,795, Posts: 3,001,422, Members: 145,115
Keep in mind that guru is still not known/used by many players in GW.
Now, imagine that that members total member numbers (145k, a small percentage of the total GW population) was quadrupled to register the easier access to an official in game system would create.
12 million posts. Most posts are far longer then a single line of text. Your 3.8 becomes a severe underestimation.
Threads: 396,795, Posts: 3,001,422, Members: 145,115
Keep in mind that guru is still not known/used by many players in GW.
Now, imagine that that members total member numbers (145k, a small percentage of the total GW population) was quadrupled to register the easier access to an official in game system would create.
12 million posts. Most posts are far longer then a single line of text. Your 3.8 becomes a severe underestimation.
Omniop Nop Chominop
It could be 100gb, you're still talking about the cost of one paltry hard drive.
Sleeper Service
Im confused as to how this is not getting through.
Im going to stop speaking for anyone but myself here. I apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread.
When i say "member" i am referring to the whole account. not just a toon.
The Guild Party Board would index messages per ACCOUNT.
1. Posts on the Guild Party Board (G.P.B.) would ONLY be made by members of said Guild and limited to ONE "active" post per member at a time.
I would Expand this concept to include an Alliance Party Board as well but lets Keep It Simple.
2. Posts made on the G.P.B. would only be visible to members of the said Guild.
This would alleviate a great part of the bandwidth required to transmit the G.P.B. I believe.
3. Posts made on the G.P.B. would have a maximum limit of one line of text.
No more, deal with it. it's a note not a forum.
4. Posts on the G.P.B. would have a limited "lifespan" of 48 hours before being deleted.
Resolves some clutter, alleviates bandwidth requirement, alleviates Data storage requirements.
5. to my knowledge a lot less than 12 million accounts have been sold, even IF 12 million copies were sold (which we are far off but: for the sake of discourse) i have yet to see a game in which 12 million people lag in..i mean LOG in and play at the same time. However let imagine that 12 million people DO buy GW and Log in at the same time AND every single person leaves a message on their G.P.B.
3.8Gig * 12 = 45.6 GIG
how much does your average pc have?
*edited miscounted, going offtrack, useless numerics.
Im going to stop speaking for anyone but myself here. I apologize to the OP for hijacking the thread.
When i say "member" i am referring to the whole account. not just a toon.
The Guild Party Board would index messages per ACCOUNT.
1. Posts on the Guild Party Board (G.P.B.) would ONLY be made by members of said Guild and limited to ONE "active" post per member at a time.
I would Expand this concept to include an Alliance Party Board as well but lets Keep It Simple.
2. Posts made on the G.P.B. would only be visible to members of the said Guild.
This would alleviate a great part of the bandwidth required to transmit the G.P.B. I believe.
3. Posts made on the G.P.B. would have a maximum limit of one line of text.
No more, deal with it. it's a note not a forum.
4. Posts on the G.P.B. would have a limited "lifespan" of 48 hours before being deleted.
Resolves some clutter, alleviates bandwidth requirement, alleviates Data storage requirements.
5. to my knowledge a lot less than 12 million accounts have been sold, even IF 12 million copies were sold (which we are far off but: for the sake of discourse) i have yet to see a game in which 12 million people lag in..i mean LOG in and play at the same time. However let imagine that 12 million people DO buy GW and Log in at the same time AND every single person leaves a message on their G.P.B.
3.8Gig * 12 = 45.6 GIG
how much does your average pc have?
*edited miscounted, going offtrack, useless numerics.
Zinger314
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It could be 100gb, you're still talking about the cost of one paltry hard drive.
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Sleeper Service
oh for mercys sake Zinger, anything productive or constructive to say at all?
you neither care nor realize the sheer amount of data that is being transmitted by Anet at any given time? Chatting occurs already you know? IE: its HAPPENING ANYWAYS.
you neither care nor realize the sheer amount of data that is being transmitted by Anet at any given time? Chatting occurs already you know? IE: its HAPPENING ANYWAYS.
gameshoes3003
Been suggested before.
Even I suggested this before.
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But please do use search...
Even I suggested this before.
/signed
But please do use search...
Sleeper Service
thank you gameshoes3003. I was unaware this issue had been brought up before, I came across this the very same day me and the other officers in TFC had been discussing our forum.
After following your advice and using the search feature i did come up with quite a few hits.
here are the closest matches for those that are interested.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+ Board
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+ Board
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+B oard
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+Boa rd
ALL were shot down and none were defended by the people who came up with them to any extent (which i can understand given the typical hostile kneejerk reaction of the more loquacious here)
I'm also sad to say only one of the OPs properly developed this message board in any detail. - vinegrowers Guild Hall Messenger
but frankly the idea of having to talk to an NPC char to do something that should be available anytime anywhere makes me cringe.
the other results i got although related were fundamentally different.
If i've missed some that clearly are the same please do tell and LINK.
What this highlights though, is the clear demand and overall usefulness that such (*and im not saying the G.P.B. is the ultimate solution) system would provide. the "just use a Forum" answer does not cut it. sorry.
After following your advice and using the search feature i did come up with quite a few hits.
here are the closest matches for those that are interested.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+ Board
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+ Board
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+B oard
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...essage+Boa rd
ALL were shot down and none were defended by the people who came up with them to any extent (which i can understand given the typical hostile kneejerk reaction of the more loquacious here)
I'm also sad to say only one of the OPs properly developed this message board in any detail. - vinegrowers Guild Hall Messenger
but frankly the idea of having to talk to an NPC char to do something that should be available anytime anywhere makes me cringe.
the other results i got although related were fundamentally different.
If i've missed some that clearly are the same please do tell and LINK.
What this highlights though, is the clear demand and overall usefulness that such (*and im not saying the G.P.B. is the ultimate solution) system would provide. the "just use a Forum" answer does not cut it. sorry.
MithranArkanere
Anet already saves chat logs, trade logs, battle logs, connection logs, ...
Imagine a pile of stones. A very unstable pile of stones.
This would be like putting one stone more over the pile.
Yeah, it would be cool, it would be nice, but it would consume resources that are not needed to use on this, because peple have already their own forums, and that's the system most people use and like.
I've been in games with own boards, yet people still used external ones.
Why to add something that will consume up so many resources if it would not be widely used?
Imagine a pile of stones. A very unstable pile of stones.
This would be like putting one stone more over the pile.
Yeah, it would be cool, it would be nice, but it would consume resources that are not needed to use on this, because peple have already their own forums, and that's the system most people use and like.
I've been in games with own boards, yet people still used external ones.
Why to add something that will consume up so many resources if it would not be widely used?
Deadlyjunk
I would like to commend Sleeper Service for the brave effort he is making here. Frankly, I think he's a much better poster than most of us as he actually takes the time to expand on why/why not instead of just posting NO + random insult on every thread - I'm looking at you rabbit ^^.
So thumbs up for Sleeper for the work he's putting into this. That said, I'm not convinced by his discourse. Yes, there is a valid point in it not being a major storage problem. But I'm afraid other than that I see no argument. I read the OP, I read all subsequent posts and though you have convinced me it would not take much storage you have not convinced me that it is WORTH taking up storage with. I can't imagine what vital information would be transfered through this system that is impossible to convey through the existing channels/guild message options. Until I'm convinced there is a valable NEED for this, /notsigned
Edit: PS: sorry Sleeper, I respect your determination but you haven't got me quite yet =D
So thumbs up for Sleeper for the work he's putting into this. That said, I'm not convinced by his discourse. Yes, there is a valid point in it not being a major storage problem. But I'm afraid other than that I see no argument. I read the OP, I read all subsequent posts and though you have convinced me it would not take much storage you have not convinced me that it is WORTH taking up storage with. I can't imagine what vital information would be transfered through this system that is impossible to convey through the existing channels/guild message options. Until I'm convinced there is a valable NEED for this, /notsigned
Edit: PS: sorry Sleeper, I respect your determination but you haven't got me quite yet =D
Hyper.nl
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i just ran the math.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/b...inesoftext.jpg I seriously hope that Anet is using a better program than notepad to store text but i can compare with only this. I understand that there would be more to it that just server space but somehow I doubt that the bandwidth drain would be much considering what exactly we are running here and the amount of data that we would be receiving. this is NOT a drain on resources. It would be helpful. |
Sleeper Service
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Anet already saves chat logs, trade logs, battle logs, connection logs, ...
Imagine a pile of stones. A very unstable pile of stones. This would be like putting one stone more over the pile. Yeah, it would be cool, it would be nice, but it would consume resources that are not needed to use on this, because people have already their own forums, and that's the system most people use and like. I've been in games with own boards, yet people still used external ones. Why to add something that will consume up so many resources if it would not be widely used? |
GW has in two years had one server crash. GW is running on pretty stable stuff.
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Of course, there’s almost no simpler kind of transaction than banging a BLOB into a database. Even so, that’s a lot of BLOB-banging. So between the game server and the database backends, there are custom cache servers. The game servers send messages about various kinds of structured game-object transactions to the cache servers; the cache servers then bang updated BLOBs into the database. These cache servers are extremely stable, staying up 150-200+ days at a time.
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source: http://www.dbms2.com/2007/06/09/the-...of-guild-wars/
For the resources used well if everything is already stored on a large database then it would be a question (and i am no expert but have dabbled) creating either a new table in the DB for the G.P.B. or indexing/pointing on a already existing one.
the transmission of said text would have no impact on BW.
I have been on games with their own boards too...but I am not proposing a forum board system Internet forums have their own uses and MUCH greater flexibility, this is a single line of text reserved for guild members.
For messages allong the lines of:
-anyone have some spare red dye?PM [Tom]Today 12:34 GMT
-hey i got legendary vanquish! ^^ [FRED]Today 6:53 GMT
-doing some AB tomorrow 16:00 GMT+4 join! [MIKE] Yesterday 14:32 GMT
-dudes i cant come to FOW tonight moms angry :s [SARAH]yesterday 16:25 GMT
why use the forum for something as breathtakingly simple as that?
I beg to differ i think it would be widely used and overall greatly appreciated.
Mineria
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- Most players will never read the GW website, never visit fansites, and never participate in forum discussions.
- Not really hard to implement.
- Modern packet compression methods will make this take minimum amount of bandwith.
- There are scripting options for saving and loading text files, looks like a mess when you open them with notepad, but will take minimal HD space.
- I can program this into a games server side any time, so of cause Anet can do so as well.
- Unless they got something more important to fix first.
- Most players will never read the GW website, never visit fansites, and never participate in forum discussions.
- Not really hard to implement.
- Modern packet compression methods will make this take minimum amount of bandwith.
- There are scripting options for saving and loading text files, looks like a mess when you open them with notepad, but will take minimal HD space.
- I can program this into a games server side any time, so of cause Anet can do so as well.
- Unless they got something more important to fix first.
wu is me
If Anet saves all our chat msg's wouldn't it be so much simpler to give us some sort of access to alliance chat/ chat from our guild from the past day or so? This wouldn't even have the complication of being implemented in the client, or require additional storage resources (given they save chats anyway), and could be put up on the Guild Wars website or something.
Heh maybe Anet could use the 4 gig HD on extra xunlai storage space or something...
Wouldn't be as effective as a forum, but it'll work just the same as what seems to be the proposal here.
Heh maybe Anet could use the 4 gig HD on extra xunlai storage space or something...
Wouldn't be as effective as a forum, but it'll work just the same as what seems to be the proposal here.
Kayla Slays
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This literally needs to be as simple as "post-its" on a fridge. one liners, time limits would be fine.
This literally needs to be as simple as "post-its" on a fridge. one liners, time limits would be fine.
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T1Cybernetic
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- Most players will never read the GW website, never visit fansites, and never participate in forum discussions. - Not really hard to implement. - Modern packet compression methods will make this take minimum amount of bandwith. - There are scripting options for saving and loading text files, looks like a mess when you open them with notepad, but will take minimal HD space. -SNIP- - Unless they got something more important to fix first. |
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Seriously? Bumping a thread that's been dead for over 3 years?
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Shayne Hawke
Zahr Dalsk's alternative seems pretty valid to me still, this thread is way old, and I don't foresee this as ever coming into existence when the devs can't even program a roster across the entire alliance. Unless something extraordinary happens in this regard,
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