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Dark Paladin X

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06 Oct 2007 at 20:14 - 1

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_M...t_of_the_World

This links tells what is going on between GW:EN and GW2

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In Divinity's Reach, the new queen of Kryta established a system of government designed to give all people—not just native Krytans—a voice. Senators design law, proposing their measures to the queen, who authorizes or rejects their placement into society. These senators come from all human races, representing many voices working in tandem with the queen's will. Initially, this system was designed as a temporary government for the refugee camps, but in the 150 years since the flood of Lion's Arch, it has become a stable system, a respected government, and a cornerstone of Krytan culture.

Judging by this info, I'm guessing Kryta will become a republic, since republic governments usually have senators as representatives in their congress or so. Hey, a first government in GW that is not a monarchy, nice.

jsalvadore1325

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06 Oct 2007 at 20:30 - 2

The Istani government wasn't a monarchy. They just had a council of elders.

Dark Paladin X

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06 Oct 2007 at 20:38 - 3

Well the Istani government would most likely be Feudalism, which is almost similar to a monarchy, but not completely exact.

I Will Heal You Ally

Krytan Explorer

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In my HoM

Canthan Refugees [TOGO]

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06 Oct 2007 at 23:32 - 4

Heh it sure will be interesting to see it

eloc_jcg

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Canada

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07 Oct 2007 at 03:48 - 5

Kryta would be a Constitutional Monarchy, similar to Canada in a way.

Dark Paladin X

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07 Oct 2007 at 04:10 - 6

If you actually read the section about Cantha, that place will end up like North Korea.

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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08 Oct 2007 at 13:56 - 7

Sounds like ancient Greece to me.

Komes I

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Somewhere over the rainbow... what the hell?!

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08 Oct 2007 at 17:25 - 8

Grece? This is SPARTAA!!!
Joking but damn it does sound like Sparta. Sparta with Ninjas and Wizards. Ninja-Wizards!

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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08 Oct 2007 at 17:31 - 9

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Originally Posted by Komes I

Grece? This is SPARTAA!!!
Joking but damn it does sound like Sparta. Sparta with Ninjas and Wizards. Ninja-Wizards!

LOL, I know you're kidding, but Sparta was not a democracy.

That said, neither was Greece a true democracy, and the women of Sparta might have had more freedoms than the women of Greece...

For sure, no woman Queen in either society! In that way, Kryta is very different...

draxynnic

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09 Oct 2007 at 01:51 - 10

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

LOL, I know you're kidding, but Sparta was not a democracy.

That said, neither was Greece a true democracy, and the women of Sparta might have had more freedoms than the women of Greece...

For sure, no woman Queen in either society! In that way, Kryta is very different...

From what I understand, the women of Sparta had more freedoms than the men of Sparta...

Dark Paladin X

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09 Oct 2007 at 02:19 - 11

Greece was democratic, but truely democratic in our standards (i.e. freedom of speech and such). And rome was a republic and has Senators. A government having senators doesn't mean a democracy.

Komes I

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09 Oct 2007 at 07:49 - 12

Well there is one thing i put my hopes into: I want Kryta to have army where man from all nations wear same armors. It would be weird if warrior guards would have diffrent armors. One to wear something like Sunspear and one like Ascalon Guard and one like Lionguard. Proffesion speciffic armor but all nations in same type of armor. So they match. May be weird but i rly love it when army looks good in games.
Sure they can have some Elite units where they would have diffrent armors but not very diffrent. It still has to be recognizeable. And when they design guards i hope they will take a bit from evry culture of man a bit. Some details of Ascalon, some of Kryta, some of Cantha (if there would be any Canthans there) some of Istan, Vabbi and Koruna or if that is too much just some of Koruna.

Seitheach

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SfF

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09 Oct 2007 at 08:22 - 13

What about ancient Rome? During the period of the Empire, Rome had an Emperor and senator. I guess it could be a system like that. A monarch at the top with senators making laws, which need to be accepted by the monarch.

Str0b0

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09 Oct 2007 at 08:49 - 14

Well the title of Emperor in Roman government was never truely intended. Juliuas Ceasar declared himself dictator legally according to Roman law and he did very well. The senate and the people liked him and so his lineage became something of a dynasty. I digress though. The new Krytan model does sound like a republic. As far as Istan a council of Elders sounds like a tribal government in that there are no elected representatives simply the oldest members of each tribe/clan/family/social group speaking and acting on behalf of the tribe/clan/family/social group they represent. It's sort of like a Republic but without elections. I wouldn't go so far as to call it feudalism though at least not in the traditional sense.

Onarik Amrak

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Astral Revenants

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09 Oct 2007 at 15:37 - 15

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

If you actually read the section about Cantha, that place will end up like North Korea.

Cantha sounds more like isolationist China to me.

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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09 Oct 2007 at 18:14 - 16

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

From what I understand, the women of Sparta had more freedoms than the men of Sparta...

Well, at the risk of going off-topic, does anybody really know?

I found this from one page:

http://elysiumgates.com/~helena/Women.html

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When girls reached sexual maturity they were not rushed—as were their sisters throughout the rest of the contemporary world—into marriage and childbed. On the contrary, the Spartan laws explicitly advocated marrying girls only after they had reached an age to "enjoy sex." The reasoning was simple: for young girls not yet psychologically ready for sexual intimacy, sex was an "act of violence." Nor were Spartan girls married to much older men as was usual in other Greek cities. It is estimated that most Spartan wives were only 4 to 5 years younger than their husbands.

While this source says something completely different:

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehisto...nofsparta.html

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Marriage for a Spartan woman was an almost non-ceremonial event. The woman was abducted in the night by her suitor, her head was shaved, and she was made to wear men's clothing and lye on a straw pallet in the dark. From there on she would meet with her husband for almost entirely procreative reasons. If she was formerly a girl, she became a woman through marriage. Any Spartan man could abduct a wife, which led to a system of polyandry (many husbands, one wife or vice versa) in Sparta. When a child was born, the woman had little to do with the his/her upbringing, rather nurses handled the child's care (in addition, a female Spartan child was subject to the same tests of strength as a male child.).

To tie this into Guild Wars: Apparently, the Spartan King Leonidas was a Dorian. Perhaps King Doric was named after the Dorians?

draxynnic

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10 Oct 2007 at 02:44 - 17

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

Well, at the risk of going off-topic, does anybody really know?

Possibly not. It could even be that both accounts are true, except at different times in history, or different spins on the same truth. (The abduction mentioned in the second passage could, for instance, be the ceremony, prearranged between the involved parties. It wasn't uncommon in early cultures for marriage ceremonies to essentially be mock kidnappings, harkening back to days when the kidnapping would have been more literal.)

That said, in the case of the women, there is actually some doubt as to how much freedom they had. The men, on the other hand, we know - they all went straight into the army, and if they weren't good enough for the army, they were culled.

Iuris

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10 Oct 2007 at 12:31 - 18

You can have a thousand ways in which to organize a statel, and senates and monarchs are not automatically impossible to fit into the same one. Heck, take a look at the english system...

blue.rellik

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11 Oct 2007 at 04:46 - 19

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

To tie this into Guild Wars: Apparently, the Spartan King Leonidas was a Dorian. Perhaps King Doric was named after the Dorians?

Doric is Leonidas?

That's Blasphemy! That's Madness!

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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11 Oct 2007 at 15:06 - 20

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

Doric is Leonidas?

That's Blasphemy! That's Madness!

LOL, no I did not mean that.

I was just commenting the name Doric probably came from the Dorian tribe, and found it interesting that King Leonidas was from the tribe as well.

Probably just coincidence.

Komes I

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Somewhere over the rainbow... what the hell?!

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11 Oct 2007 at 19:31 - 21

Yeah i will never forget that, cause i got 1 (F) mark today from history for not knowing that. Professor asked me something about Spartans and i replied "All should know that 300 hundread spartans are last hope to defend freedom!" He was like... "But... you do know that Spartans couldn't send more soliders because they had to keep slaves from breaking free?". #

Considering Human race, what do you think, would Xulani Agents provide storage for other races as well? Will there be any Xulani, since Cantha has ben cut-off?

PureEvilYak

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14 Oct 2007 at 11:15 - 22

I reckon there probably will be Xunlai. I mean, while the headquarters will have been chopped off, there are still a bunch of them sitting on their crates in Tyria. And we know GW2 has map travel, and that can't be done without Xunlai chests. (It is my firmest belief that map travelling involves getting in a chest and being pulled out elsewhere).

And I admire the way they've made it so Kryta can be a starting location for anyone of any race, without sacrificing bits of Lore.

draxynnic

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16 Oct 2007 at 01:17 - 23

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Originally Posted by PureEvilYak

I reckon there probably will be Xunlai. I mean, while the headquarters will have been chopped off, there are still a bunch of them sitting on their crates in Tyria. And we know GW2 has map travel, and that can't be done without Xunlai chests. (It is my firmest belief that map travelling involves getting in a chest and being pulled out elsewhere).

What about in presearing?

Hyper Cutter

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16 Oct 2007 at 05:10 - 24

The chests are more than capable of operating without the Xunlai around (as seen in the Desolation and Torment).

Though admittedly, the "mother chest" is in Kaineng City...

draxynnic

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16 Oct 2007 at 05:36 - 25

It is in GW1. The Xunlai may well have been among those that got out of Cantha.

Melkorium

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16 Oct 2007 at 08:39 - 26

Why do you keep talking about 'Greece'? There was no such country back then, just a collection of city states such as Sparta.

Rather than Greece I think people here are really referring to Athens and how it compares to Sparta.

Anyway, this Republic of Kryta does sound really noble and is probably the designers trying to give us a stable homebase which they admit was missing in Proph.

Komes I

Frost Gate Guardian

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Somewhere over the rainbow... what the hell?!

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17 Oct 2007 at 17:12 - 27

Well I hope they will make it mighty, that would sure be cool. When other races come to Kryta they should be amased with our glory. I just fear that too big expectations may lead to even bigger dissapointments. We will have to wait and see untill then we could just guess.

Dark Paladin X

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21 Oct 2007 at 01:25 - 28

Kryta being a republic, Cantha ending up almost like North Korea and killing Tengus. what else?

Oh and I KNEW that Joko dude had some bad intentions in his sleeves:

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For years after the defeat of Varesh Ossa and the fall of Abaddon, Elona was at peace. The Sunspears spread across all three continents, attempting to fulfill their ancient purposes. But the peace they brought was not to last. In their campaign to end the threat of Varesh Ossa and stop Abaddon's final attempt to free himself from the prison of the gods, the Sunspears also unleashed the architect of their own doom back upon the world—a monster who would bring about the next dark age.

The monster's name was Palawa Joko. Within sixty years of Kormir's rise to godhood, Palawa Joko mustered his former power and marched a new army of mummies, zombies, and other undead out of the Crystal Desert into war with Vabbi. To ensure his dominance, Palawa dammed and diverted the river Elon, causing drought and famine amid the northern provinces of Elona and creating a green and growing area within the Crystal Desert. In this area, Palawa Joko established the seat of his new kingdom.

The horrible famine caused by the diverted river caused widespread rebellion among the people of Vabbi and northern Kourna. Palawa Joko then found it all too easy to break the backs of Elonian resistance. Vabbi bowed to his strength simply to survive, and Kourna and Istan both became vassal states.

Palawa’s price for benevolence was tribute, forced loyalty, and all those who bore the name Ossa delivered unto his care. Periodically, a few more descendants were found hiding in the hills of Elona—and all were delivered unto the undead ruler of Elona. From the descendants of his ancient enemy, Palawa created a living army to match his undead one, reveling in the irony that Ossa's children owed their lives—and their loyalty—to him.

Palawa also took great pride in the destruction of his greatest enemies: the Sunspears. Broken, their strongholds destroyed, their members scattered to the winds, they stood as a force no longer in Elona. Eventually, most of the populace forgot about the Order and their heroic deeds. Those few Sunspears who survived passed on the teachings of the Order over the course of more than a hundred years, holding onto the tenets of a barely-remembered vision. They became wandering mystics, philosophers, and lone warriors in a world that chose to forget their presence.

All but a few. Some Sunspears, taken in by Palawa Joko's offers of power and rank, abandoned their vows. These traitors to the Order were given command of Palawa’s armies or allowed to work alone against those in Elona who once scorned them. Each one, converted personally by Palawa, was given power over death and sent out to hunt down and destroy their fellow Sunspears—or bring them before their lord to be drawn into their unholy cause. These knights, called the Mordant Crescent, became a dark presence in the sunlit southern lands of Tyria.

Yep, each area have their own problems and everything gets screwed up.

Alex the Great

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21 Oct 2007 at 01:47 - 29

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Well the Istani government would most likely be Feudalism, which is almost similar to a monarchy, but not completely exact.

feudalism???? wtf they have peasents and lords.

a council of elders is the definition of an oligarcy

thats what the spartans had

PureEvilYak

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Somewhere Luxon Alignment: Chaos

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21 Oct 2007 at 02:17 - 30

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

What about in presearing?

Pre-searing is tiny. You can walk from 1 end to the other in 15, 20 minutes? The map travel command there just cuts out time.

The Big Spear

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The Savage Nuns

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21 Oct 2007 at 21:13 - 31

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/The_M...t_of_the_World

This links tells what is going on between GW:EN and GW2

Judging by this info, I'm guessing Kryta will become a republic, since republic governments usually have senators as representatives in their congress or so. Hey, a first government in GW that is not a monarchy, nice.

how typically american,
i) a republic does not have to have senators or a congress
ii) the fact there is a royal family prevents it being a republic. end off
iii) its grey, gaol and colour, not gray, jail and color

Onarik Amrak

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Astral Revenants

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21 Oct 2007 at 21:40 - 32

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Originally Posted by The Big Spear

how typically american,
i) a republic does not have to have senators or a congress
ii) the fact there is a royal family prevents it being a republic. end off
iii) its grey, gaol and colour, not gray, jail and color

Actually gaol is an archaic term. It's not usually used in modern speech.

The other 2 I won't argue with.

The Big Spear

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Join Date: Oct 2007

The Savage Nuns

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22 Oct 2007 at 10:17 - 33

well in the north of england we still use it. but then we think if you go south of sheffield you fall off the edge of the world.

anyways, cantha is hardly north korean, its more like nazi germany, hostility to all deemed as unworthy etc, but with elements of cold war USA thrown in.

Onarik Amrak

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Astral Revenants

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22 Oct 2007 at 12:31 - 34

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Originally Posted by The Big Spear

well in the north of england we still use it. but then we think if you go south of sheffield you fall off the edge of the world.

anyways, cantha is hardly north korean, its more like nazi germany, hostility to all deemed as unworthy etc, but with elements of cold war USA thrown in.

I still stand by my comparison to isolationist China.

The Big Spear

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Join Date: Oct 2007

The Savage Nuns

P/Mo

22 Oct 2007 at 13:31 - 35

thats probably more accurate.
but with a little bit of Nazi Germany and southern US for the intolerance (before i get a lynch mob, i mean the Klan, not all people from southern US)