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Steboy93

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Feb 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] | Ex-Officer [TAM]

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06 Oct 2007 at 20:43 - 1

Hi everyone, i've just got Kind of a Big Deal and am considering going for People Know Me. However, i'm not sure whether to go for guardian or vanquisher, so what i want to know is:

1) Which is easier?
2) Which takes longer?
3) Which is easier to find groups for?
4) Which is better to do with h/h?
5) Which do/did you find more fun?

I'm looking for something to do until GW2, help me out

Also, does anybody have any title which they prefer/find easier? I already have all prots and ss/lb. Ty in advance

Shoeth

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Poland

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

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06 Oct 2007 at 20:51 - 2

I've got both legendary vanquisher and guardian on my assassin, so I'll try to answer

1) Hard to say, both have their own difficulties
2) Vanquisher takes longer, that's for sure
3) No idea, I mostly h/hed
4) Vanquisher as far as I can tell, can be done by only H/Hing. Guardian though, required me to get human teams in 3 missions - Eternal Grove, Dzangour Bastion, Vizunah Square
5) I found guardian more fun. There's nothing better than doing Raisu Palace and learning I did it fast enough to earn masters even with normal mode timers

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

06 Oct 2007 at 20:56 - 3

Guardian is more fun because vanquisher takes so much grind it's almost authistic.

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

06 Oct 2007 at 21:04 - 4

Guardian definitely.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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06 Oct 2007 at 21:46 - 5

Guardian is way easier. Plus, there are more people willing to do Guardian then to do Vanquishing (so its easier to find PUGs if you need them).

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

06 Oct 2007 at 21:57 - 6

I liked going Guardian. It is probably also more difficult.

Vanquishing becomes boring quickly and takes a lot of time, I did Cantha and Elona, you usually kill all enemies and then you hug walls... at this point, I usually ask myself if it is worth it!

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

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06 Oct 2007 at 22:21 - 7

I went for Guardian first. Vanquishing just takes forever, and can be really frustrating in 4-6 player areas. I highly recommend finding at least one other person you can rely on to do either of them, as having another human and 3 heroes is way better than henchies to fill the spots.

PureEvilYak

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Somewhere Luxon Alignment: Chaos

The Dark Fortress

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06 Oct 2007 at 23:09 - 8

If you have a good friend to do it with, I'd say vanquishing. You can have a great laugh when vanquishing with a mate (more often than not when you fail abysmally). If not, then guardian is the way to go. I myself am doing vanquisher.

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

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06 Oct 2007 at 23:56 - 9

difficult choce here,

1) I find vanquisher easier as i can do it with H/H, though it is even easier with help from 1 friend at least.

2) Vanquisher, as to do many of the guardian missions you are on a timer, so you need to do them fast, though having not done a lot of them maybe with difficulty will come more time spent tryign to master them

3) I have never seen anyone asking to do vanquishing, though if you have a guild they may help you. While i do see some asking others to pug for Guardian some areas never seem tohave anyone and others seem to have one group with mybe 6 players in it. so i think Pugs are difficult at any time

4) Vanquisher i have done in elona bsicaly with H/H easily, Guardain missions i usually need one person with heroes on most missions, some i would imagine would need whole groups

5) Vanquishing i find more fun as i get other titles with it, and its easier, HM missions are really frustrating when you cant get them done.

Aera Lure

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

In Baltar's head

Bring Out Your Dead [BOYD], former officer [LBS]

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07 Oct 2007 at 00:20 - 10

Vanquishing takes a lot longer. They both have their difficulties, but Guardian is probably a bit easier. You can sometimes find groups, or at least a person, wishing to try a HM mission but rarely if ever can you for Vanquisher. In any case, the best bet is to find a good friend or guildie who has similar goals as you and work through the title you wish to try. Made a great new friend - two actually - through pursuing Guardian. I had a ton of fun doing Guardian and its my favorite title completed.

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

Join Date: Dec 2005

Oblivion

Irrelevant

Mo/Me

07 Oct 2007 at 01:28 - 11

Guardian = a semi enjoyable difficult skill bound title

Vanquisher= a grind bound title that you can rarely find anyone to "enjoy" it with.

I think the choice is clear.

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

07 Oct 2007 at 02:14 - 12

someone mentioned a concept skill in SS regarding this where is it....

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10203764

Without something like that Vanquishing can indeed become the mind numbingly boring exercise described above.

so: Guardian imo.

GL!

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

07 Oct 2007 at 02:16 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steboy93

1) Which is easier?
2) Which takes longer?
3) Which is easier to find groups for?
4) Which is better to do with h/h?
5) Which do/did you find more fun?

1) Vanquisher
2) Vanquisher
3) Vanquisher (at least in my Alliance)
4) Vanquisher
5) Guardian

Guardian takes more skill and less time than Vanquisher, and that's why you'll find most people respect it and prefer it.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

07 Oct 2007 at 02:20 - 14

25 Prophecies Missions, 54 Prophecies explorables
13 factions missions, 33 factions explorables
20 Nightfall Missions, 34 Nightfall explorables.
58 Total Missions, 121 Total Explorable areas.

That'll answer which takes longer, LOL. It's also harder because most missions have similar groups throughout, but explorable areas have diverse enemies scattered around (Trolls, Avicara, Ice Imps/Golems in Talus Chute, for example), so you've got to be ready for all of them.

Fox Reeveheart

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Michigan

none q.q

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07 Oct 2007 at 02:27 - 15

i haven't done any of them...though I want to think that guardian is probably easier.. the only problem is getting a group to do it. It was hard enough finding groups to do for some of the dead places like ice caves of sorrow. there was like 2 people there >.> over like a 30 minute period.

i tried to do some vanquishing today... oh my god it was awful.

heres my advice on vanquishing... bring LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of candy canes if you can get any.... and don't do barbarous shore... it just makes you cry q.q

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

07 Oct 2007 at 05:32 - 16

i thnk you should start with Gaurdian 1st because it is not as long as the vanquisher

holababe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

Goon Squad [LLJK]

Mo/

07 Oct 2007 at 06:41 - 17

I just got Protector of Cantha and I'm going for Guardian because I know the missions well, wheras my experience with all the zones is limited.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

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07 Oct 2007 at 06:45 - 18

Guardian is easier because you rarely (if ever) fight mobs with more than 2 monks

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

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07 Oct 2007 at 10:08 - 19

Vanquisher is just annoying, mass groups of Spiteful Spirit necros, or many monks or multiple Ancestor's Rage rits.. you'll see what I mean

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

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07 Oct 2007 at 10:57 - 20

finished Legendary guardian 1st within 6days after HM was introduced, luckly did with 5 other friends, yes 5:P and yes, it is much much more fun than vanquisher. finished Legendary vanquish with one monk friend bout 3 weeks after guardian, very very boring and annoying, and some of the areas just...argggg(desolation area in NF), so, if u want to enjoy the game and at the same time getting titles, guardian, if u really really bored, vanquisher.

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

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07 Oct 2007 at 11:41 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skuld

Vanquisher is just annoying, mass groups of Spiteful Spirit necros, or many monks or multiple Ancestor's Rage rits.. you'll see what I mean

God vanquishing North Kryta Province made me really hate skales

Jared The Faithfull

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

07 Oct 2007 at 14:09 - 22

I just achieved my first vanquisher title today and am already well on to my 2nd, I can say its quite enjoyable. It is much easier to H/H than Missions. I dont get what people here are saying about it being a grind, I made 4-8k off every EA, so pretty much it's just playing the game. And it's fun to revisit starter areas you'd never go back to anyway.

zenatomiser

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Mo/Me

07 Oct 2007 at 14:44 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steboy93

1) Which is easier?
2) Which takes longer?
3) Which is easier to find groups for?
4) Which is better to do with h/h?
5) Which do/did you find more fun?

1) Definetly Guardian nothing hard except few gimmicks like eternal grove, bastion and gate of maddness (lich is ftl)
2) Definetly Vanquisher, guardian can be done in 3 days if you actually try... with atleast 1 other competent person though.
3) Definetly Guardian although you're better off with guildies/alliance
4) I wouldn't recommend either as hench have terrible builds, except for gwen one's, but if I had to pick... vanquisher would be easier for most cases.
5) Definetly Vanquisher, nothing better than revisiting old areas and spending hours in each area fighting diverse mob groups and getting lots and lots of golds

It's also better overall for other titles you can open chests and work on lucky/unlucky/chest/wisdom all at the same time elite capping aswell if you haven't got those yet, and the cash you get at the end of vanquish is a nice touch to the money spent on lockpicks.

And i totally disagree with people saying Guardian is a more respectable title. It's takes nowhere close to the same time as Vanquisher and most of it is just slightly harder than most lvl 20 missions.

Tamuril elansar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2007

N/

07 Oct 2007 at 18:34 - 24

vanquishing is more fun, coming in areas i've barely seen etc

MisterDutch

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

The Netherlands

E/Me

07 Oct 2007 at 19:41 - 25

Hey, if I wanna go for the "VANQUISHER" title, does that mean I should have "vanquished" the pre-searing ascalon areas as well? Wizzards Folley, Catacombs, Lakeside county, regent valley, etc???

Because I haven't done those and I'm level 11 and not very willing to re-start a character.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

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07 Oct 2007 at 19:49 - 26

You only get Hard Mode once you finish a campaign, so it's not possible to vanquish anything pre-searing.

Joey Of MU

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

We Want More [HUGS]

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07 Oct 2007 at 19:50 - 27

No you don't. Tyrian Vanquisher is anything in post-searing, tbh if you are lvl11 you shouldn't even being thinking about HM. You need to be lvl20 and finish the game on at least 1 char.

MisterDutch

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

The Netherlands

E/Me

07 Oct 2007 at 20:14 - 28

Cool, good to know!

Xx_Sorin_xX

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2006

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07 Oct 2007 at 20:24 - 29

I think you've got a pretty clear answer as to Gaurdian will probably be your preferred choice.

As for your other question about maxing titles..skill hunter is very easy. its a bit boring, and the vortex in nightfall can be a bit annoying, but other than that its a breeze. the only downside is that it isnt cheap if your skills are costing you 1k each. Perhaps a good synergy would be to do Gaurdian first, since you gain 1k and 2 skill points for bonus + mission, then whatever else you get from drops.

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

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07 Oct 2007 at 20:27 - 30

I like that tackling several different titles at once can help you pay for them all, yeah

Vanquish a zone, hug the walls to get rid of all the fog, and you'll probably have more than enough to pay for a few cap sigs. That's three things in one activity.

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

07 Oct 2007 at 20:42 - 31

Vanquisher probably can be hero/henched, but I haven't managed it myself and haven't met anyone credible who has done it that way. (If you have, please PM me; I am writing a h/h guide for it and have several questions.)

I had a lot of help in Tyria. I've recently been going back and doing them again with h/h. The good news is that the zones everyone fears aren't hard at all. Majesty's Rest is downright easy. Mamnoon Lagoon requires a tiny bit of ingenuity to figure out a counterbuild for groups of 10 interrupt/degen mesmers. The multi-monk groups in the Shiverpeaks appear hard on paper, but you can exploit pathing to glitch the monks usually. On the downside, I don't currently believe Twin Serpent Lakes is doable with five h/h and one player. Eastern Frontier is really freaking hard with 3 h/h and one player; I haven't bothered testing the entire area after I figured out how to kill one group of 2 Ulodytes and 4 Grawl.

Cantha is much easier because two minion bomber heroes can overwhelm essentially anything. You still have to watch out for some of the bosses, though. Wavecrest Stonebeak in Rhea's Crater still gives me nightmares.

Elona is fully h/hable because that's how I did it. The hardest creatures were the SF and SH eles in the desolation. It should be much easier these days with Pain Inverter.

PureEvilYak

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Somewhere Luxon Alignment: Chaos

The Dark Fortress

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07 Oct 2007 at 21:10 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jared The Faithfull

And it's fun to revisit starter areas you'd never go back to anyway.

Yeah, I really enjoyed vanquishing Ascalon, and finding all those places I played in pre-searing 26 months ago.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Vanquisher probably can be hero/henched, but I haven't managed it myself and haven't met anyone credible who has done it that way. (If you have, please PM me; I am writing a h/h guide for it and have several questions.)

As with guardian, vanquisher can mostly be h/hed, but there are a few areas that need 2+ people (I have only Tyrian knowledge, but a guildie did the same thing for Cantha). My examples would be Dreadnought's drift (a group wit 4 monks resides within) and Rotscale. I'll pm you with a few select details about how to go about things.

Esan

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

07 Oct 2007 at 21:25 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by PureEvilYak

As with guardian, vanquisher can mostly be h/hed, but there are a few areas that need 2+ people (I have only Tyrian knowledge, but a guildie did the same thing for Cantha). My examples would be Dreadnought's drift (a group wit 4 monks resides within) and Rotscale. I'll pm you with a few select details about how to go about things.

Sorry, I don't need any tips about Majesty's Rest or Dreadnought's Drift. Both are easy with henchies. The only Tyrian area I haven't yet solved is Twin Serpent Lakes. Here are the parameters: it must be done with a team of six (five h/h), with no requirements on the player primary, and leaving from Riverside Province. It's the only area that has me stumped.

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

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07 Oct 2007 at 21:44 - 34

Same, TSL keeps tearing me a new one for some reason.

PureEvilYak

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Somewhere Luxon Alignment: Chaos

The Dark Fortress

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07 Oct 2007 at 21:51 - 35

Caravan Vanquish it from ToA, and have a prot monk with Divert Hexes. I found it pretty easy that way.

Dione Davore

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/E

07 Oct 2007 at 22:41 - 36

Vanquisher was easy. With the right combination of H/H.
Guardian is easy, only needed another player for Eternal Grove.

But do Vanquish with your favorite character. Legendary Vanquisher is not something that most people do on a second character that fast, there may be some exceptions, a few.

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

07 Oct 2007 at 22:44 - 37

1) Guardian
2) Vanquisher
3) Guardian
4) Vanquisher?
5) Neither were fun

get both!

Fionn Falaich

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2007

08 Oct 2007 at 00:53 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by PureEvilYak

Caravan Vanquish it from ToA, and have a prot monk with Divert Hexes. I found it pretty easy that way.

/agree. Vanquish Twin Serpent Lakes from ToA. No unusual difficulties. I vanquished it as a fire ele with:

MoW: SS
Olias: MM (Golem)
Dunkoro: LoD healer
Alesia
Little Thom
Stefan
Claude

@ the OP, I did Legendary Vanquisher with all H/H and found it long, boring, and largely a waste of time, but it felt like an accomplishment (but worth the time...???). I am in no hurry to try Guardian. The posts here give me some encouragement to try it, but it might take me some time to convince myself to give it a go.

xshadowwolfx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

California | Ascalon

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08 Oct 2007 at 01:49 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by undeadgun

finished Legendary guardian 1st within 6days after HM was introduced, luckly did with 5 other friends, yes 5:P and yes, it is much much more fun than vanquisher. finished Legendary vanquish with one monk friend bout 3 weeks after guardian, very very boring and annoying, and some of the areas just...argggg(desolation area in NF), so, if u want to enjoy the game and at the same time getting titles, guardian, if u really really bored, vanquisher.

Ya Guardian ftw. But both are kinda not fun unless you can do it with friends. HM missions are long hard and lonely with just heroes. It's a snitch with friends though.

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

08 Oct 2007 at 02:17 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

Sorry, I don't need any tips about Majesty's Rest or Dreadnought's Drift. Both are easy with henchies. The only Tyrian area I haven't yet solved is Twin Serpent Lakes. Here are the parameters: it must be done with a team of six (five h/h), with no requirements on the player primary, and leaving from Riverside Province. It's the only area that has me stumped.

This is one of the few areas where I found it easier to be a primary monk. Divert Hexes pretty much took care of any problems. I also attacked this area in a 3-part vanquish from Sanctum Cay that got Stingray Strand, Tears of the Fallen, and Twin Serpent Lakes. No ToA caravanning required. Maybe you'll find it easier if you took a similar route and attacked this area from the north.