Wisdom title & salvaging

Tender Wolf

Tender Wolf

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2007

All over Tyria, Cantha, & Elona

The Eternal Night Vanguard [TEN]

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Okay, so from what I understand, the higher your wisdom title, you have a small percent chance more of something not breaking when you salvage it. So why is it that my rank 2 wisdom character ALWAYS breaks the item (especially if there are 2 runes on something), and all my other characters who haven't ID'd any golds (they all get transferred to my main) NEVER break anything? Is this a glitch? Anything like this happen to anyone else?

HayesA

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Pennsylvania

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It happems to me every so often. But I also have second rank in treasure hunter, too. So I have a little bit higher % to salvage without breaking.

If you're worried about a mod off a rare skinned weapon, use the perfect salvage kit.

Spazzer

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

Gamblers' fallacies itt

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

My 2nd rank wisdom/1st rank treasure seeker has around a 50% rate of breakage to retention. My monk that I farm golds for that first character with salvages runes from armors at the same rate. I don't think it has much to do with the title than just luck of the draw, period.

Sammy Darvanian

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

Myth of the Jabberwock [Epic]

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I must've been having a LOT of luck then... Since my main character got her 2nd treasure hunter title (she has wisdom (1) aswell) only about 4-5 items broke when I salvaged things. And I've salvaged quite a few items...

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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The trick is to really hope you don't keep the item, thus tricking Sod's Law into not wanting to break it.

Mmmkay?

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
The trick is to really hope you don't keep the item, thus tricking Sod's Law into not wanting to break it.

Mmmkay?
Like with the butt ugly briarwood scythes? Explain why all my heroes got butt ugly briarwood scythes then? :P

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

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Spite.

The items with the best skins and sale-ability break without a doubt. Perfect Salvage Kits are a priceless commodity nowadays becuase they totally bypass your hard-earned titles. Ok, not priceless, but about 500g for 5 uses.

onerabbit

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

i got R6 Treasure and R7 Wisdom, i never break stuff =D

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Since perfect salvage kits are around, you should be relieved of this fear.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

On salvage I get about 50% chance and it really does seam to be that when I salvage, but for lockpicks I break almost every time.

Rahl

Rahl

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Austin, Tx

Mmph Its [Good]

Mo/

I rarely break anything with R7 Wis and Treasure, but what DOES break tends to be non max items, strangely enough O,o

Mournblade

Mournblade

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

Houston, Texas

Dawn Treaders [DAWN]

W/Mo

Until you hit 100% chance of success, expect to have times when lots of salvages fail.

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

Best run ever was when my main (with Wisdom 2 and Treasure 2) managed to salvage both mods AND the Inscription off one gold Scythe in order to graft them all onto another... all without breaking the Scythe (which oddly enough then got merched empty).

Things DO get easier when you up the Wisdom and Treasure Hunter titles... but the difference seems fairly minimal.... Kinda like lockpick retention. Lucky 2 and Treasure 2 doesn't help Chae Soon retain lockpicks half as often as he'd like. It comes out about the same as with my Monk, who only has the 2 points of Lucky to rely on.

leprekan

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

I have rank 7 treasure .. 6 wisdom .. 5 lucky .. I break stuff all the time. Anyone saying they never break because of high ranks is not being honest. Anet hasn't quite figured out basic math or the percents are based on 1,000,000 tries. It is even worse on lockpick retention (for me anyway) 72% chance my @ss try more like 20-30%.

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Perfect salvage kit > wisdom title. That is all.

Healers Wisper

Healers Wisper

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Anaheim, CA

BoMB

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
I have rank 7 treasure .. 6 wisdom .. 5 lucky .. I break stuff all the time. Anyone saying they never break because of high ranks is not being honest. Anet hasn't quite figured out basic math or the percents are based on 1,000,000 tries. It is even worse on lockpick retention (for me anyway) 72% chance my @ss try more like 20-30%.
its not funny math its basic statistics. At the sample size you are prob working at, there is not much difference between your 72% and 30 percent. Sample sizes have to be huge to even out in this type of test. I often tell people who argue this to flip a coin 10 time, 100 times ect. your 50% chance isn't going to be shown, you get close to 10,000 and you'll see it within 5%. Thats how this works.

To the OP, you don't see a difference between your lvl1 and lvl 2 TH because the difference is % simply isn't great enough to overcome random chance at the level you are prob working on. When salvaging 10 items your random chance is huge.

william1975

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

Me/

heh i have big runs of not breaking and big runs of breaking, i have a 38% chance of not breaking due to titles. its just luck, like any statatician knows you cant say just because i broke it the last two times i wont this time, each new attempt is that a new attempt

DarkGanni

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

Why bother with the title when perfect salvage kits are around....

- Ganni

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkGanni
Why bother with the title when perfect salvage kits are around....

- Ganni

The titles do help with lock picks. I Have a guildie that maxed out wisdom and nearly maxed Lucky. He often goes an entire mission/dungeon with just 1 lockpick and opens everything.

freaky naughty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
The titles do help with lock picks. I Have a guildie that maxed out wisdom and nearly maxed Lucky. He often goes an entire mission/dungeon with just 1 lockpick and opens everything.
I'm sorry dude but that is total bullsh*t. I have a friend whose gotten rank 5 lucky and maxed out treasure hunter and he says that 2/3 of his lockpicks break, on average.

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spazzer
Gamblers' fallacies itt
lrn2maths people.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by freaky naughty
I'm sorry dude but that is total bullsh*t. I have a friend whose gotten rank 5 lucky and maxed out treasure hunter and he says that 2/3 of his lockpicks break, on average.
Welcome to the law of large numbers.

Take a statistic class before complaining about things not working.