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HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

14 Oct 2007 at 19:36 - 401

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fighterdoken

Only problem with that statement is:

Chillblains: Core skill (available to everyone, so everyone can remove shadow form if they want to)

Signet of Disenchantment: Factions skill (so, you need to buy a expansion if you want to remove shadow form now?)

Eh, why not, you have to buy an expansion to use shadow form too.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

14 Oct 2007 at 19:40 - 402

Should be UAX if you're a PvP player anyway.

Crimso

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

PCformatforums[PCFF]

Me/Mo

14 Oct 2007 at 19:58 - 403

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Eh, why not, you have to buy an expansion to use shadow form too.

But you don't have to buy the expansion for it to be used against you.(even though I bought all the expansions)I think there should be more counters for shadow form especially in the core skills because it's unfair that it requires factions to be countered.

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

14 Oct 2007 at 21:20 - 404

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Should be UAX if you're a PvP player anyway.

QFT

Not having a skill unlocked is a great way to make a terrible impression on anybody you're playing with.

hallomik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

The Illini Tribe

N/Mo

14 Oct 2007 at 21:21 - 405

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

Reduced the size of activation on the Resurrection Shrine in the Fortress of Jahai.

Out of curiosity, what does this mean?

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

14 Oct 2007 at 21:24 - 406

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qual

The AR nerf is retarded, the skill is just useless now. They should have amde into a flurry look a like imo.

The way it is actually only a tad bit more balanced than before, being as it's still imba and all. Now with this on, paras will only have 86 AL which is still 6 AL higher than anybody else. Not to mention the fact that they have a perma-IAS that gives them a weapon that has roughly the attack speed of a sword/axe, but as a ranged weapon.

If you think AR is useless, then you really shouldn't 1) be giving advice on skill balance or 2) even be looking at a skill balance thread seeing as you have zero idea how to balance skills.

erfweiss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Cold Black Eyes

W/A

14 Oct 2007 at 21:25 - 407

Personally, I'm not seeing the real effects of the paragon change. Sure, GftE is affected, but I don't run AR.

Add in SY as a 2nd shout instead of WY, works just fine. Romped thru 4 dungeons last night (H/H). Plenty of energy.

NecoLupus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

Backyard Militia

A/Mo

14 Oct 2007 at 22:18 - 408

Anet knows how to take a game and completely rip it apart.

To nerf melee with all the antimelee around is just horrific in my eyes. And to rebuff searing flames. This game is now a button mash game, no skilled players can play.

And how come there isnt a real nerf to sins then. Warriors are looking worse and worse compared to sins now, i guess because sins are a 1-2-3-4 button combo and a warrior requires more like a bull's strike, build adrenaline, and actual smart things to be done.

And Spiritway goes untouched, you basically made N/rts better.

This is bogus.

And the people agreeing with this update saying its good from the bit i read are more pveish. There is more than one crowd of people in this game, how about rebalance this game to where everythings actually fun and enjoyable.

I'm kinda happy I quit 2 weeks before this update. I'm sure this update will influence many more to quit.

--------->Button mashing no skill poo FTL. <--------------

creelie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Alberta

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Mo/

14 Oct 2007 at 23:11 - 409

Bravo, a lot of the things players were asking for showed up in this update.

Khab

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2007

GRDS

P/W

15 Oct 2007 at 04:16 - 410

Why does anet hate the paragons so much?

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

15 Oct 2007 at 04:23 - 411

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khab

Why does anet hate the paragons so much?

Same reason the community does (or should).

Best armor with a huge advantage from safe positioning.
Warrior DPS with a permanent IAS at range, which is harder to kite and shut down.
Infinite energy due to Leadership.
Gives large passive defense bonuses to the entire party, without being as immobile as the Ritualist.
All Paragon effects are irremovable.
Paragon-specific shutdown is too niche to be valid in most builds.

Vilaptca

Pre-Searing Vanquisher

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

15 Oct 2007 at 04:27 - 412

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

Out of curiosity, what does this mean?

I believe they are talking about the range in which the shrine will turn on for you...like all glowy and stuff. You have to get so close to it before it will turn on allowing you to resurrect there if you die.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

15 Oct 2007 at 04:46 - 413

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fighterdoken

Signet of Disenchantment: Factions skill (so, you need to buy a expansion if you want to remove shadow form now?)

Shame on anyone who doesn't have Factions

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

15 Oct 2007 at 05:22 - 414

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khab

Why does anet hate the paragons so much?

I haven't played in a couple days...but last time I was on I just sat on Obs mode and watched Paras sit there and be imba.

Just take Para buffs/e-management/AR, combine them all, and you will answer your own question.

If you'd like to know, most PvPr's have been complaining about Paras for quite a while now, and justifiably so.

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

15 Oct 2007 at 05:43 - 415

Yes paragons were way to powerful when in groups of 8 or even just 4, this was due to combos like chorus of restoration + finale of restoration and go for the eyes/watch yourself, it was simply amazing in big groups and after the nerf.... IT STILL IS ^^

iriyabran

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

[Lord]

E/

15 Oct 2007 at 06:07 - 416

Quote:

Fixed a bug that allowed miniatures to be killed by traps

rofl i never knew about that
must have been fun to see

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

N/

15 Oct 2007 at 06:20 - 417

What sucks is how laggy the game has been since the Update came out. I am getting over 1k+ ping now since it. I cant do anything in the game really.

Aethon

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

15 Oct 2007 at 07:27 - 418

A silent change to Rejuvenation: it doesn't heal those at full health. Still not much consolation to Ritualists. Why it wasn't documented and why Preservation didn't get the same update is baffling.

And did something strange happen to Glyph of Swiftness along with the fix, or am I simply mad?

Strider Howlfang

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2007

Scotland

Charter Vanguard

R/Mo

15 Oct 2007 at 10:00 - 419

Quite an interesting update, my mesmer hero is now going to be even better

Razz Thom

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Three Feet Below Sea [LevL]

D/Mo

15 Oct 2007 at 17:17 - 420

why are people saying they don't understand the [skill]chilblains[/skill] nerf?
it was for the farmers! now mandragor cant break down your farming build as easily

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

15 Oct 2007 at 17:37 - 421

Quote:

Originally Posted by creelie

Bravo, a lot of the things players were asking for showed up in this update.

... Did you even pay attention to half of the update? What they fixed wasn't either 1) remotely connected to the problem, or 2) wasn't the problem.

Oh wait we get to transfer minis again and Hard Mode grind.... I guess that makes up for it...

Saphrium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Granite Citadel

Post Searing Ascalonian Merchants

N/Me

15 Oct 2007 at 17:52 - 422

relax, Razz, your post is pure flame.

Back on the topic, I think GW has a habit of forgetting to integrate the new contents into the core game system and effectively exploit them, the cracked armor condition is not exploited as much as deep wound or weakness or daze, the paragon shouts, echos, anthems and dervish forms, has not received as many counter skills (so far only necro has a few counters, but also general purpose skills that counters them, think "Celestial Burden" or "Silence!") might change the fact that over powered skills are not dealt with.

All in all, I think we just need more skills to exploit the system better.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

15 Oct 2007 at 19:33 - 423

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Infinite energy due to Leadership.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etta

Mesmer

Energy Burn: increased damage multiplier to 12.
Energy Surge: increased damage multiplier to 12.
Power Leak: decreased recharge time to 12 seconds.

Soothing Images: For 8...18 seconds, target foe and all adjacent foes cannot gain adrenaline.

OOPS TWO PIPS OF ENERGY REGEN. You don't even need more than 2 points in Illusion Magic to give you enough time to cover it and spike down that Paragon.

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

15 Oct 2007 at 19:58 - 424

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHunterX

Soothing Images: For 8...18 seconds, target foe and all adjacent foes cannot gain adrenaline.

OOPS TWO PIPS OF ENERGY REGEN. You don't even need more than 2 points in Illusion Magic to give you enough time to cover it and spike down that Paragon.

Do you PvP at all? RA doesn't count, nor does some randomway HA/GvG.

If it was that simple, it'd be on mesmer bars.

But it's not.

EDIT: "Right. Let's 'spike down' a Paragon"

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

15 Oct 2007 at 20:33 - 425

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHunterX

Soothing Images: For 8...18 seconds, target foe and all adjacent foes cannot gain adrenaline.

OOPS TWO PIPS OF ENERGY REGEN. You don't even need more than 2 points in Illusion Magic to give you enough time to cover it and spike down that Paragon.

Lol. Right, because hexes aren't removed after 2 seconds by monks.

Fighterdoken

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

15 Oct 2007 at 21:39 - 426

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Shame on anyone who doesn't have Factions

On my defense, i have to say that i have been trying to buy it for a few months, but in Elbonia there is a sudden shortage of stock in both Factions and Nightfall for some reason... (probably the same reason as why the "Proph+EotN for $100" is the only one available). That, and the fact that trying to get a international-enabled credit card is kinda hard for your average Joe here.

But still the problem remains, not everyone that goes to RA has every expansion (not talking about TA or HA now because, well, a SF build/team would be eventually dealt with there, after a bit of QQ'ing here in the forums).

I guess that, as a prophecies-only player. i will have to be happy to just lay waste on runnes and 55's, and play the "who logs out first" game with SF sins, since Deadly Paradox will never be balanced, looks like.

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

15 Oct 2007 at 23:44 - 427

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHunterX

Soothing Images: For 8...18 seconds, target foe and all adjacent foes cannot gain adrenaline.

OOPS TWO PIPS OF ENERGY REGEN. You don't even need more than 2 points in Illusion Magic to give you enough time to cover it and spike down that Paragon.

I'm laughing at your face right now. If I could laugh inside of your face, I would.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

15 Oct 2007 at 23:50 - 428

Time for this to die. It's no more then a skill based discussion now anyway.

If you feel the need to create another thread based on certain issues in this thread, then be my guest.

If it's about skills, please take it to the necessary sub-forum. Riverside is for general game discussion only.

Closed.