Magni the Bison
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I've been trying to kill him for a while now, I've tried several Curses / Blood / Ss / Sv combinations, and cant seem to get it 'just right'. I know for sure that necros can beat 'The Bison'. So if anyone knows, could they perhaps be kind enough to post a build that works against him and all the other 'participants'?
Moloch Vein
As I have repeated quite some times on this forum you can just go /Rt and spirit spam him to death.
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Originally Posted by Moloch Vein
As I have repeated quite some times on this forum you can just go /Rt and spirit spam him to death.
I know that... Where do you think I live... In a black hole?! /Rt Is not interesting. There must be another way to go around it.
Coloneh
then think of one, everyone else is content with /Rt
Moloch Vein
All other builds will need to get lucky to some extent to make it. I've defeated Bison using a Signet of Midnight based build and also with SV/Spirit Bond but there are enemies that will pose a definite problem to both approaches. I personally find the "duel" quests very badly designed because it's more of a case of "you're a <insert unfavored class here>, gg" than anything. Thus I prefer farming these quests with the easiest build possible.
MBP
it's not like doing bison is that rewarding except for the first couple times through where you get 2 heroes and Zho's journal.
after that what is there?
minimal norn points
a ugly ass crown
just go /Rt and get it over-with
if you're concerned about norn points there are much faster ways to get them
after that what is there?
minimal norn points
a ugly ass crown
just go /Rt and get it over-with
if you're concerned about norn points there are much faster ways to get them
Chthon
55/SV N/MO:
[skill]Spoil Victor[/skill][skill]Blood Renewal[/skill][skill]life siphon[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Watchful Spirit[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Necrosis[/skill]
Standard 55 gear with a blood headpiece. That's enough regen to survive even Tydus. Mhenlo seems to be a 105 rather than a 55, since he kills himself instantly. All of the melee are insanely easy. Actually, Zehtuka is probably the hardest since he rarely attacks you directly, which can hurt your energy a lot.
Spirit Spam X/Rt:
[skill]vampirism[/skill][skill]pain[/skill][skill]bloodsong[/skill][skill]anguish[/skill][skill]wanderlust[/skill][skill]shadowsong[/skill][skill]summon spirits[/skill][skill]painful bond[/skill]
Works for any caster class. +20e staff is probably best option. Summon in order listed while behind the gate, then use summon spirits as soon as you cross the doorway. Cast painful bond and KABLOOM. For Bison, let him get blinded and use his purge sig once before you painful bond him. If someone gets off a firestorm or worries you with their 10% chance to hit through blind, just use summon spirits to yank them out of harm's way. (BTW: This build is at something like 30 wins and zero losses for my rit primary.)
[skill]Spoil Victor[/skill][skill]Blood Renewal[/skill][skill]life siphon[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Watchful Spirit[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Necrosis[/skill]
Standard 55 gear with a blood headpiece. That's enough regen to survive even Tydus. Mhenlo seems to be a 105 rather than a 55, since he kills himself instantly. All of the melee are insanely easy. Actually, Zehtuka is probably the hardest since he rarely attacks you directly, which can hurt your energy a lot.
Spirit Spam X/Rt:
[skill]vampirism[/skill][skill]pain[/skill][skill]bloodsong[/skill][skill]anguish[/skill][skill]wanderlust[/skill][skill]shadowsong[/skill][skill]summon spirits[/skill][skill]painful bond[/skill]
Works for any caster class. +20e staff is probably best option. Summon in order listed while behind the gate, then use summon spirits as soon as you cross the doorway. Cast painful bond and KABLOOM. For Bison, let him get blinded and use his purge sig once before you painful bond him. If someone gets off a firestorm or worries you with their 10% chance to hit through blind, just use summon spirits to yank them out of harm's way. (BTW: This build is at something like 30 wins and zero losses for my rit primary.)
Carinae
For Zehtuka, just keep moving. He's a trapper, so wait until he starts trapping and run away...over and over. Keep LS (or any hex) on him and pop him with Necrosis when you stop running. It takes a minute or two, but it always gets him.
Coloneh
life steal > 55
random.name
Spiritway works, until you run into Razah. If that happens just resign and try again.
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Spiritway works, until you run into Razah. If that happens just resign and try again.
Actually you can kill Razah, If your an RT or not. Just go to him and quickly make a spirit that interupts. If your spirit interupt him making them, he will be defensless, then just spamm some more and use painful bond.
Chthon
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Quote: Originally Posted by Coloneh life steal > 55 Yeah. Good thing there's not much life steal in the tournament, isn't it?
Eve uses Insidious Parasite. Don't attack. Xandra uses Vengeful Weapon. Don't attack and don't use Necrosis. I don't think Danika's wallows use life steal... at least I don't remember losing to them...
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Spiritway works, until you run into Razah. If that happens just resign and try again.
The spiritway build I posted above beats Razah 100% of the time. You have a head start; he shouldn't have more than one or two spirits down by the time you finish summoning. Use Summon Spirits a second time to yank your spirits into range, painful bond him, then back up out of his spirits' range. Easy win.
ragamuffin
just like to say no self respecting necro should have to switch all of their skills to another profession, necros are the most fun characters and shouldn't be kicked to the side
i beat him 6 times, once for cup and 5 for tokens with this build: N/MO 105hp 8 prot 16 blood 13 soul reaping wielding milthuruns staff prot spirit - cultists fervor - masochism - blood renewal - life siphon - blood drinker - angorodons gaze - vampiric bite you pretty much never run out of energy, just keep the enchantments up, especially prot spirit, vamp bite heals 77 hp and costs just 4 energy to use, and angorodons gaze heals 79 hp and gives you 8 energy =) if you fight danika, brutus, sheena resign this build cant over power the healing with blood ritual there also for the enchantment removers, stick on some alternate armor and the norn title and you should go over 500hp, just dont use enchantments, with the exception of blood renewal for the 200hp when it ends, avoid using vampiric bite as well since it will use up your energy quite quickly
Moloch Vein
Actually you are wrong about your skills.
Vampiric Bite will cost 15e to use. It isn't a Spell, it's a Skill. Oh, and I'm a self-respecting necro. I'm self-respecting enough to choose the optimal subclass for any given situation. ragamuffin
your not a self respecting necro your entire skill set doesnt have anything remotely to do with a necro
and you may be right about vampiric bite, but like i said i used this build and you never run out of energy since each spell has a -7 energy cost (cultists fervor) and +4 energy gain (masochism), so basically any spell that costs 10 en or below gains energy
Moloch Vein
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Originally Posted by ragamuffin
your not a self respecting necro your entire skill set doesnt have anything remotely to do with a necro
That's a pretty... narrowminded attitude. For sure it's one with which I would've had some problem vanquishing 4-man and 6-man areas using all necromancer heroes.
ragamuffin
well considering this is a one vs one tournament and nothing dies, you are not using soul reaping and therefore nothign to do with a necro, so i dont think its narrowminded i think its true
Moloch Vein
^ I cannot even understand the above sentence.
Like it or not, Guild Wars is a dual-class system. You are even required to choose a secondary to progress in the game, it isn't an optional choice. Not that it matters, but the Bison tournament isn't a one vs one tournament. It's a PvE quest which you play against a computer. A PvE quest is a puzzle. You are given a set number of variables and are asked to come up with a solution. In normal PvE play that would mean bringing the right professions and the right builds. In play where the party size is limited to 1 it is essentially the same thing. You are yourself admitting that your build is flawed. You note that "if you meet opponent X = Fail". Whereas the /Rt spirit spammer build gets the job done quickly, with minimal problem, for almost any class. It's the solution to the puzzle. ragamuffin
it may be flawed, but if u wanted to use all rt skills you should of been an rt but what i am saying is just dont just assume its impossible using necro builds and resort to having to use all rt skills
and also on a side note i think thats the only real use of cultists fervor
Moloch Vein
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Originally Posted by ragamuffin
it may be flawed, but if u wanted to use all rt skills you should of been an rt but what i am saying is just dont just assume its impossible using necro builds and resort to having to use all rt skills
And actually your assumption that I "should've been a ritualist" is wrong, not that it matters. I have a ritualist and a necromancer and the synergy between the necromancer primary attribute and most of the ritualist spell line is so much stronger than with any other primary (including Spawning Power) that it is often worth forsaking the extra 4 available from runes and choose a N/Rt in favor of a Rt/x when using exclusively ritualist skills.
ragamuffin
you are talking about in general though, i am talking about for the tournament, the n/rt build i know works fine but for 1 on 1 it is pointless, since soul reaping isn't used and i prefer to find ways of doing things as a necro when using my necro rather then resorting to all rt
and my build doesn't need that much luck, it is only one opponent that needs avoiding not alot
Rolgalthor
Barbed Spear
You Move Like a Dwarf Virulence Necrosis Vile Miasma Rend Enchantments Finish Him Parasidic Bond 14 Death 10 Spear The rest in curse. Use YMLaD for an interupt and to start off Virulence. Avoid Oppenents in Melee Ranged. (Keep them crippled.) On Heavy Enchant users apply your degen strip them then when the try to cast HB or MR, interupt them. When opponents are at 40% heath or so hit them with Finish Him. To beat Bison keep the degen on him, interupt his purge signet and DONT let him touch you. I have beat him several times this way. great sir s
STEP ASIDE i have the EASIEST and FASTEST way to kill magni on a necro, heres what you need....
N/ME ebon vanguard assassin support you move like a dwarf fetid ground vile miasma necrosis grenths balance ignorance bitter chill ill keep the walkthrough as simple as possible.... cast vanguard sin support as soon as the battle starts, then knock the enemy down with you move like a dwarf, then IMMEDIATELY cast fetid ground to get the poison, then vile miasma then necrosis. the order is 12345, and the enemy is dead by then. it's really easy, the only opponent you may have trouble with is one of the monks or warrior i forget the names  if you practice it for a little while you dont even need 5-8kiling magni all you need is you move like a dwarf and fetid ground for killing magni. first, you knock him down and put fetid on him, then kite around the perimiter of the arena, and wait until JUST AFTER he uses his condition remover (can't recall the name), then kock him down, use fetid, and repeat until he is dead.
MrGuildBoi
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Ursan_Blessing
Really the only skill you need. And at least R4+ Norn and other skills if you wish. Spam Ursan Strike and run back to your gate with Ursan Force to de-aggro Magni(he'll walk all the way back to his starting spot.)
Morianna Nightshade
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Originally Posted by Chthon
[skill]Spoil Victor[/skill][skill]Blood Renewal[/skill][skill]life siphon[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Watchful Spirit[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Essence Bond[/skill][skill]Necrosis[/skill] Standard 55 gear with a blood headpiece. That's enough regen to survive even Tydus. Mhenlo seems to be a 105 rather than a 55, since he kills himself instantly. All of the melee are insanely easy. Actually, Zehtuka is probably the hardest since he rarely attacks you directly, which can hurt your energy a lot. Spirit Spam X/Rt: [skill]vampirism[/skill][skill]pain[/skill][skill]bloodsong[/skill][skill]anguish[/skill][skill]wanderlust[/skill][skill]shadowsong[/skill][skill]summon spirits[/skill][skill]painful bond[/skill] Works for any caster class. +20e staff is probably best option. Summon in order listed while behind the gate, then use summon spirits as soon as you cross the doorway. Cast painful bond and KABLOOM. For Bison, let him get blinded and use his purge sig once before you painful bond him. If someone gets off a firestorm or worries you with their 10% chance to hit through blind, just use summon spirits to yank them out of harm's way. (BTW: This build is at something like 30 wins and zero losses for my rit primary.) this Rt build seems like it would be pretty good on a hero too, but there are skills that heroes cant have.... any suggestions for hero skills?? pm me, cuz i know this is in the necro forum.... 
Paul Dawg
Does this actually work??? You can't exactly "spam" Ursan Strike because it has a three-second recharge, and it's a touch skill. So while you're spamming it, he gets to hit you too. That's the part that hurts.
Originally Posted by MrGuildBoi
And running away with Ursan Force doesn't sound right either, because if you don't get in any hits, eventually your ursan will run out and you'll just be standing there with no energy. Quote:
MasterSasori
I believe the double riposte + grenth's balance will do the trick. I should check it up though since I've never used it before...
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