Duncan in Hard Mode is not worth the time

Acehigh

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

14 Oct 2007 at 13:15 - 1
Hi there.

Me and my guildy managed to beat Duncan last night in HM using heroes, and the chest ended up being a complete letdown.





Don't worry, my guildy let me allow his name in the screens.
You would think that being HM you'd get double drops from it, which would include the gemstone and armor, but you don't. You still only get 1 onyx, 1 armor remnant and 2 completely random drops.

EDIT: oh and btw, Lightbringer no longer affects the dwarves in Slavers.

flipfly2004

flipfly2004

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

A/

14 Oct 2007 at 13:46 - 2
on LB.... it was fun though!

Arduin

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

14 Oct 2007 at 14:56 - 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acehigh
EDIT: oh and btw, Lightbringer no longer affects the dwarves in Slavers. It doesn't affect anything at all, at the moment. It's bugged in DoA too.
Big disappointments about the drops really, thought it would be on par with HM DoA, so at least 2 Onyx.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

14 Oct 2007 at 15:28 - 4
Yet you get 2 count them two summon snowmans in the snowman lair sheesh...

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

14 Oct 2007 at 16:24 - 5
Ever think the chest was bad cuz O I dunno maybe the...heros?

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

14 Oct 2007 at 16:27 - 6
Why would hero's effect the chest? Never has anywhere else.

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

14 Oct 2007 at 16:34 - 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfwing
Why would hero's effect the chest? Never has anywhere else. Heroes affect reward chests in FoW. It's best to flag them away.

But in GW:EN Dungeons, Heroes have no effect on the chest drops.

VitisVinifera

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

14 Oct 2007 at 19:01 - 8
Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
Ever think the chest was bad cuz O I dunno maybe the...heros? catty AND idiotic all rolled into one

Avatar Exico

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

N/

14 Oct 2007 at 19:10 - 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfwing
Yet you get 2 count them two summon snowmans in the snowman lair sheesh... Hehe the Punchout Extranvsa Quest on HM when you go to Lair to get the Dwarf with Killroy you get Double Alochol.

wolfwing

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

14 Oct 2007 at 19:14 - 10
Well double alchahol I can get they have a use...but is ther really any use for the 30 snowman summons I have?

Chrono Re delle Ere

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

W/

14 Oct 2007 at 21:51 - 11
have fun on x-mas

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

W/

14 Oct 2007 at 23:02 - 12
There is one reason to do Duncan in HM...

Mastery of the North points. That's about it. Out of curiosity, anyone know if you have to do all parts of the dungeon in HM to get credit in your Hard Mode dungeon book, or just Duncan?

Adonis Tora

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Stand Divided

E/Me

14 Oct 2007 at 23:58 - 13
Quote guildwiki: Random loot found within final dungeon chests is doubled from what is given in Normal Mode

so it only affects the random loot.

slipout

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Mo/A

15 Oct 2007 at 04:02 - 14
just out of curiosity, what were the necro's builds?

Sheriff

Sheriff

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

Heroic Order of Tyria

R/W

15 Oct 2007 at 08:46 - 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by slipout
just out of curiosity, what were the necro's builds? I'm curious as well. I'm guessing the N/Me is a SS and the others would be Sab's builds ( http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10202023 )

But it does seem a bit overkill in terms of healing, so maybe it's a different build?

=HT=Ingram

=HT=Ingram

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2005

Anchorage Alaska

Haz Team [HT]

R/W

15 Oct 2007 at 09:53 - 16
interesting that its not working in DoA? that one bothers me a little....


BUt as far as Duncans. thats been listed as a bug for some time. I was expecting that to get changed eventually... BUt I'm a little disturbed that DoA is getting effected by this fix. ;( its never good to see one bug fixed only to gain another.

Acehigh

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

15 Oct 2007 at 14:59 - 17
A part of it was Sab's build. We ran 2 SS, 1 SV, a vengeful/remedy spammer, a nuker and monks.

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

16 Oct 2007 at 02:23 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by VitisVinifera
catty AND idiotic all rolled into one *sigh* I hate when people do this Bull Sh*t, no one is ever polite anymore (most everyone).
I guess I missed where Anet listed that heros/henchies don't effect dungeon chests can anyone post a link?

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

16 Oct 2007 at 04:23 - 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
*sigh* I hate when people do this Bull Sh*t, no one is ever polite anymore (most everyone).
I guess I missed where Anet listed that heros/henchies don't effect dungeon chests can anyone post a link? I guess I missed where Anet says they do, can you post a link?

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

16 Oct 2007 at 08:59 - 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond
Mastery of the North points. That's about it. Out of curiosity, anyone know if you have to do all parts of the dungeon in HM to get credit in your Hard Mode dungeon book, or just Duncan? Very good question!

The prerequisite to go to duncan is having done the previous dungeons. But the quest itself does not differentiate between normal and hard mode.

So if you finish the final part of the quest in hard mode or better, just get Duncan's Chest in hard mode, it will probably count.

But this needs to be confirmed, just my theory.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

16 Oct 2007 at 14:44 - 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longasc
So if you finish the final part of the quest in hard mode or better, just get Duncan's Chest in hard mode, it will probably count. How do you get the chest without doing the final part of the quest?

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

W/

16 Oct 2007 at 18:20 - 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longasc
Very good question!

The prerequisite to go to duncan is having done the previous dungeons. But the quest itself does not differentiate between normal and hard mode.

So if you finish the final part of the quest in hard mode or better, just get Duncan's Chest in hard mode, it will probably count.

But this needs to be confirmed, just my theory. This was my reasoning as well. At some point I guess I'll go back into Slaver's, but having too much fun doing other HM dungeons with guildies, not to mention I need to finish DoA at some point for that damn statue.

Yol

Yol

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

GameAmp Guides [AMP]

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16 Oct 2007 at 19:12 - 23
I did the 4 bosses in normal mode and then got into duncans bit in hard mode without any problems. Got two onyx, one diamond and the deldrimor armour thingy, and slavers was credited in my hard mode dungeon book, not the normal one.

ShadowofWar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

Draconus Reincarnatus [DRGN]

Mo/

16 Oct 2007 at 21:16 - 24
Ahh, creative idea. hopefully they wont go and take this away, cause its hard enough as is for me in nm.

Squishy ftw

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Your backline

W/

16 Oct 2007 at 21:20 - 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak
Heroes affect reward chests in FoW. It's best to flag them away.

But in GW:EN Dungeons, Heroes have no effect on the chest drops. What do you mean with that ? How can your heroes affect the reward chest in FOW? The drop from it is always the same

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

W/

16 Oct 2007 at 21:35 - 26
I believe he means the chests that pop up after completing a quest, not the reward chest for doing all the quests in one run.

Squishy ftw

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Your backline

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17 Oct 2007 at 06:02 - 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond
I believe he means the chests that pop up after completing a quest, not the reward chest for doing all the quests in one run. Ah, that might explain why all our chests were empty then lol, I'll remember this for next run ty

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

18 Oct 2007 at 06:16 - 28
I too am wondering why it was stated in this thread that Heroes affect chest drops. Why would they? Where did this idea come from? Where has this been confirmed?

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

18 Oct 2007 at 21:08 - 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
I too am wondering why it was stated in this thread that Heroes affect chest drops. Why would they? Where did this idea come from? Where has this been confirmed? I simply based my assumption with the henchies and hero effecting my drops because first of all they get a share of the money from monsters that have been killed and second, If anyone has done the kilroy stone skin quest and had henchies with them 90% or so of the time nothing came out of the chests but if one flagged the heros out of the compass map a few items would appear from the chest. This is why I asked if someone could post a link that says heros dont effect dungeon chests and chest drops period.

Lady Ana Stacia

Lady Ana Stacia

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Germany

Beware of our Temper [BooT]

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19 Oct 2007 at 06:49 - 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by White knight lord
I simply based my assumption with the henchies and hero effecting my drops because first of all they get a share of the money from monsters that have been killed and second, If anyone has done the kilroy stone skin qust and had henchies with them 90% or so of the time nothing came out of the chests but if one flagged the heros out of the compass map a few items would appear from the chest. This is why I asked if someone could post a link that says heros dont effect dungeon chests and chest drops period. Simple logic really,

The difference between the Kilroy chests and the Slavers chest is one is random drops the other is guaranteed drops assigned to each person in the party. So for hero's to get anything from Dungeon chests they would actually have to click on it.

White knight lord

White knight lord

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Ka-Tet Of Gilead

19 Oct 2007 at 17:13 - 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Ana Stacia
Simple logic really,

The difference between the Kilroy chests and the Slavers chest is one is random drops the other is guaranteed drops assigned to each person in the party. So for hero's to get anything from Dungeon chests they would actually have to click on it. If they should have to click on the items to get them then that should apply to all quest reward chests imo.