Is it worth it?
Tundra
I have all character slots full with lvl 20 characters and i wanted to know is it worth to delete one to them to make PvE para.? Is there anything to do in Prophecies & Factions. There are no elites, no armor sets, no nothing. So your ideas?
Tyla
its all down to your choice.
imo buy a new char slot^^
imo buy a new char slot^^
Koning
I had all my slots full too, but wanted to make a para. My problem was that all my characs have some achievements so I didn't want to delete any and so I bought an extra slot.
If I need to make this decision again, I would just delete my mesmer since I hardly played that class and my paragon has become my no1 character now.
So yes, making a Para is worth it!
If I need to make this decision again, I would just delete my mesmer since I hardly played that class and my paragon has become my no1 character now.
So yes, making a Para is worth it!
Rice
There is an option in guild wars store called buy a new character slot if it is that hard to delete your old charaters
Nemo the Capitalist
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
its all down to your choice.
imo buy a new char slot^^
seriously man buy a new slot its worth it
GW1 life is 2-3yrs tops
GW2 will kill it off
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1-2yrs of happinesss worht 10 payment
imo buy a new char slot^^
seriously man buy a new slot its worth it
GW1 life is 2-3yrs tops
GW2 will kill it off
=
1-2yrs of happinesss worht 10 payment
arsie
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Originally Posted by Tundra
There are no elites, no armor sets, no nothing.
Since my Paragon has not done much vacationing in foreign lands, you have a very valid point there.
I try to bring as many characters to Nightfall as possible, at least to get Magrid and maybe Norgu and Morgahn, and to cap elites.
The Paragon has nothing like that for him to do in the other campaigns. Having said that, he would also steamroll through them because there isn't any Well of Silence, Soothing Image or the like.
Capping skills for your secondary, and HM is probably the only real things to do.
I try to bring as many characters to Nightfall as possible, at least to get Magrid and maybe Norgu and Morgahn, and to cap elites.
The Paragon has nothing like that for him to do in the other campaigns. Having said that, he would also steamroll through them because there isn't any Well of Silence, Soothing Image or the like.
Capping skills for your secondary, and HM is probably the only real things to do.
Tundra
The thing is that i dont have Mastercard so it is impissible for me to buy an extra slot. 
GloryFox
Sorry to inform you but Paragons are no longer worth the slot with the AR and GFTE nerf. Make something else thats useful. This is coming from someone with over 15 titles on my Paragon. Make something useful like a Ele, Monk, or Necromancer they still have uses in PvE.
Kyp Jade
AR nerf is somewhat scary
GFTE and WY = meh
Paragons still work fine
GFTE and WY = meh
Paragons still work fine
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Sorry to inform you but Paragons are no longer worth the slot with the AR and GFTE nerf. Make something else thats useful. This is coming from someone with over 15 titles on my Paragon. Make something useful like a Ele, Monk, or Necromancer they still have uses in PvE.
PvE, right?
Paragons can double equip Save Yourselves and There's Nothing to Fear.
Make a Para, if only for those two skills. Your party can't die.
Paragons can double equip Save Yourselves and There's Nothing to Fear.
Make a Para, if only for those two skills. Your party can't die.
Tab
Paras are still extremely good. 20 armor, so what? They still have around 100. A bit less energy, so what? Just take one adrenaline attack skill now.
Trx
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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets
Paras are still extremely good. 20 armor, so what? They still have around 100.
80(armor)+16(shield)+10(insignias)-20(cracked)=86, not 100. But 86 is still tough, and with SY/FA + TntF they do better group wide damage reduction then any other class, so yes it's still worth it.
I got him through proph and factions for vanquishing, but if you work on titles the protector/guardian titles are fun to do
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I got him through proph and factions for vanquishing, but if you work on titles the protector/guardian titles are fun to do
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Arkantos
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Sorry to inform you but Paragons are no longer worth the slot with the AR and GFTE nerf. Make something else thats useful. This is coming from someone with over 15 titles on my Paragon. Make something useful like a Ele, Monk, or Necromancer they still have uses in PvE.
You can't be serious.
The only thing AR hurts is monk AI. Cracked armor on a paragon makes little difference in PvE.
GftE, along with WY, now cannot be spammed as much. Does that mean these skills are worthless? No. It's 4 seconds, it's not going to kill the skill.
Paragons still can use 2 of the greatest skills atm (TNTF and SY). Those 2 skills are enough of a reason to make a paragon.
Paragons are still one of the greatest professions in PvE. If you don't want to play one, that's your loss.
The only thing AR hurts is monk AI. Cracked armor on a paragon makes little difference in PvE.
GftE, along with WY, now cannot be spammed as much. Does that mean these skills are worthless? No. It's 4 seconds, it's not going to kill the skill.
Paragons still can use 2 of the greatest skills atm (TNTF and SY). Those 2 skills are enough of a reason to make a paragon.
Paragons are still one of the greatest professions in PvE. If you don't want to play one, that's your loss.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
You're a ranged character, your armor level is going to be higher than everyone else in the backline/midline so the enemies are just going to ignore you. Even after this change, the enemies (HM and NM) do not seem to pay any special attention to the cracked armor penalty and will still ignore my paragon on most occasions. If I rub against an enemy too long, run in first, basically anything that would normally draw aggro on any profession is the only way I can force stuff to attack my paragon. Obviously there are some exceptions; AoE, hexes that target adrenaline/slow attack rate/degen/etc that the AI will target you because of the skills on your bar, not AL or health. So basically the only change that Aggressive Refrain has had to the flow of the game is moving out of AoE, and standing away from targets that are normally the target of AoE.
Go For The Eyes!:
I haven't used GftE since the update, been too busy doing Hard Mode GW:EN or DoA where I use Focussed Anger + Save Yourselves!. But, my two paragon heroes seem to be managing their energy quite well on their own. My motivation paragon previously used GftE! because occasionally she packed The Power Is Yours!, so the energy return helped recover from the -10. Instead I swapped her to some motivation chant that is 4 adrenaline since the 1 second activation is a lot better than the 4 second recharge of GftE!. It was just energy management anyway, the critical +% of a 2 specced command GftE will not be missed. If you were using it as a means of triggering Blazing Finale are those amazing ToF tanks, well I guess these two changes do kinda suck.
Previously when I did play with GftE!, I was in the habit of waiting for my Spear of Lightning/Vicious Attack to recharge anyway. Sure if you're mindlessly mashing your skills as they light up, I could understand how this is going to significantly change your gameplay. In which case, drop an energy attack for an adrenaline one if you're not willing to manage your energy like everyone else has to.
Gosh, paragons have it so hard sometimes. The damage of a warrior, without all the hassle of melee hate and running around chasing our targets.
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This is coming from someone with over 15 titles on my Paragon.
Despite what you may think, this really destroys your credibility. You're merely trying to use your accomplishments as a means of boasting your opinion without giving any real proof that those two changes make any difference to the paragon profession. All I see around this board and others is people posting that the paragon is dead, when really the biggest problem of all is hero monks wasting energy removing cracked armor. Personally with all the passive defense I bring with my three paragons, this means the monks actually have something they could use their energy on.
MMSDome
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
Sorry to inform you but Paragons are no longer worth the slot with the AR and GFTE nerf. Make something else thats useful. This is coming from someone with over 15 titles on my Paragon. Make something useful like a Ele, Monk, or Necromancer they still have uses in PvE.
Holy wow i'm surprised you didn't just quit after they nerfed TNTF. Honestly now did nukers become useless after the AoE nerf? No. Im surprised to acutally hear someone say that a few skills nerfed means its a dead profession.
You makes me giggles. Kyp Jade
Proffesion is still fine, and does as intended. Midline support with DPS.
Comming from someone who used to be die hard elementalists, paragons make things so much easier. I am going for leg survivor on my paragon, and I simply run into the battle, and start throwing spears.
Kobe#2
To the OP: Yes, Paragons are very worth the effort and time to make and level. My paragon is my newest character and has already become my favorite and main character. They're really fun, make hard parts of the game really easy, and have badass FoW armor
To everyone else: if the AR nerf is that big of a deal, use Soldiers' Fury instead. I personally never used AR even before the nerf, as I get plenty of adrenaline from my Dark Fury-spamming Livia. Giving adrenaline duties to a hero frees up an extra skill slot for you. Plus, 33% ias is better than 25%.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Kobe#2
Plus, 33% ias is better than 25%.
... at the cost of your elite slot and forcing a skillbar that maintains at least one shout/chant at all times.
Kyp Jade
The nerfs to gfte and wy just force skills play, you can no longer mindlessly go spam passive defense.
The AR nerf was just stupid, Izzy favored the -20 armor while attacking, but thought HEY lets apply cracked armor instead, its new, and cool. fail Dionyssios
Well, Paragon was still quite fun to play until recently. But, considering that the profession is nerfed with every update mindlessly, stupidly and for reasons that have nothing to do with PvE, reasons that should lead developers to change the way PvP works and not handicap the same profession again and again, I cannot recommend you to free up a slot and go ahead and play Paragon. Or else you would hate me when the next nerf disaster comes along.
random.name
Lol, you know what is killing the paragon class? Posts like this. Paragon is still very effective, but replies like some of these will make the sheep not accept paragon's into their parties. Paragon is fine, and fun.
Kyp Jade
LOL, sheep
The poor sheep always think taking alot of elementalists to do aoe makes it easier, but I always have a better time taking some necro hexers and extra paragons. Im nearly legendary survivor and I just rush into mobs not bothering to stay back
Shadowmere
Like the OP i'm considering making...err...well...remaking my para actually, I only had her to lvl 15 but I had a great time with it, though i've had fun playing every class...cept for ele's...dunno why....
anyways, I haven't been following para nerfs/buffs but judging from this thread it sounds a lot like fav class the rit, who despite "repeated mindless nerfs" or w/e is still perfectly fun and useful to play, so I'm gonna remake my combat cheerleader again and have at it, after all there's no dead class, just players who can't adapt  lol, oh and p.s. to anyone who cares, what kind of potential do you see in a para w/ a pet? Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by Shadowmere
Like the OP i'm considering making...err...well...remaking my para actually, I only had her to lvl 15 but I had a great time with it, though i've had fun playing every class...cept for ele's...dunno why....
anyways, I haven't been following para nerfs/buffs but judging from this thread it sounds a lot like fav class the rit, who despite "repeated mindless nerfs" or w/e is still perfectly fun and useful to play, so I'm gonna remake my combat cheerleader again and have at it, after all there's no dead class, just players who can't adapt lol, oh and p.s. to anyone who cares, what kind of potential do you see in a para w/ a pet? Paragons are far from a bad profession, if anything they are in the top 3 PvEwise. I can't bring myself to use any of my other characters because they are just not as effective, even with the current cookie cutter build. As for the pet, I can't see much reason for it. Beast Mastery and Leadership have a very weak synergy, and will probably just be wasted attributes and skill slots.
Ben-A-BoO
At first my new Paragon didn't get much love from me,
The running animation on the female model is horrible and I didn't like the male armor ... so much for the visuals ... But, if there is any class that makes Hard Mode look like a walk in the park ... it's the paragon ... like stated 100 mil times before: "There is nothing to fear!" + "Save Yourselves!" = /God Mode On They are fun to play as well ... ranged deep wound? yay! And yeah, being nerfed with every update is a bit off putting, but you know what? Most of the whinners like GloryFox seem to read a update and go "omg gosh holy shit ... that must suck ... QQ" and don't test it the changes in a game environment. None of those heavy paragons nerfs killed the class ... and to be honest ... I didn't feel much difference after the last update pve and pvp wise - beside the AI Monk being over busy with removing cracked armor - e-management is still superior (come out an engagement with full energy? oh yeah!) Paragons are even after 100 nerfs by concept overpowered and are very welcomed in every of my HM groups. One of my top 3 favorite characters and deffo worth a slot. Have fun, Timebandit
Kobe#2
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
... at the cost of your elite slot and forcing a skillbar that maintains at least one shout/chant at all times.
On that same token, I can then say that Aggressive Refrain is used at the cost of your elite, for doing a task that can easily be put off to a hero.
And for the record, I run They're on Fire, so it's all G.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Kobe#2
On that same token, I can then say that Aggressive Refrain is used at the cost of your elite, for doing a task that can easily be put off to a hero.
Okay you lost me on that.
Kobe#2
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Okay you lost me on that.
Haha, I can see why, I put the wrong skill. I meant to say focused anger.
There's pros and cons of each way of doing it. Either a.) Focused Anger+AR; or b.) Soldier's Fury +a hero using dark fury. you prefer the former, I prefer the latter. We'll just agree to disagree.
Racthoh
Oh I run a D/N with Dark Fury anyway and load up on physicals. Using SY every two attacks when DF is up fuels the rest of the energy skills on my bar.
Kobe#2
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Oh I run a D/N with Dark Fury anyway and load up on physicals. Using SY every two attacks when DF is up fuels the rest of the energy skills on my bar.
Oh snap, I gotta try that. I Will Avenge You
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Originally Posted by Nemo the Capitalist
seriously man buy a new slot its worth it
GW1 life is 2-3yrs tops GW2 will kill it off = 1-2yrs of happinesss worht 10 payment Exactly !! GW2 is gonna be nice |
