slavers / obs tanks / joyful pugs

the lesser

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Orlando, Florida

[LNS]

19 Oct 2007 at 20:49 - 1

so..

i am attempting to get into the slavers exile spin. after joining a couple groups i am asked, can you go obby tank? after answering no, im kicked from every group without even another word. a testament to our charming fellow guild wars players.

my questions are, do you need to be an obsidian tank for EVERY dungeon/boss in the slavers exile? and if you need to be w/e to be an obs tank why do they even ask me a w/mo, if i can go obs tank?

yea, i know some people would say h/h it. but i figure maybe i can configure one build, i.e. mine, and try to get a pug, before i try to configure a team build. plus i would kinda like to get past the first room and see what im really facing. would be nice.

Unkillable Cat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

New Dragons

Mo/R

19 Oct 2007 at 21:18 - 2

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Your backline

19 Oct 2007 at 21:36 - 3

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lesser

my questions are, do you need to be an obsidian tank for EVERY dungeon/boss in the slavers exile? and if you need to be w/e to be an obs tank why do they even ask me a w/mo, if i can go obs tank? 1. No, it just makes it easyer, certainly for PuGs.
2. Because people can like, you know, change secondary profession

the lesser

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

Orlando, Florida

[LNS]

19 Oct 2007 at 21:49 - 4

i did not know you could do it on the fly, interesting.

im still shit out of luck on the obs tank thing, i dont have nightfall and i keep running into nightfall skills on almost all the good builds i want to implement.

and dont say, "then go buy nightfall". im so broke its not even funny.

Milennin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Europe

19 Oct 2007 at 22:00 - 5

You don't need to be an Obsidian Tank to do the bosses in Saver's Exile, just most PUGs think it's the only way to do it...=/
I did one of the bosses with one other player and some Heroes, and me using Ursan Blessing to do a bit of tanking and damage. Much more fun than playing a lame "Obs tank".XD
But if you plan on doing it with Heroes and Henchmen only, be sure to bring enough firepower, or else the enemies will keep resurrecting eachother.o_O;

Squishy ftw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Your backline

19 Oct 2007 at 22:01 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milennin

SuperDave

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

South Africa

Forever Knights

Mo/

19 Oct 2007 at 22:21 - 7

I hate this mentality when PUGging in "elite" areas. I've been through Slaver's a few times (HM+NM), and haven't ever used a obi tank. Frozen Soil helps a lot, but also isn't a must IMO. Slaver's isn't that hard, and it isn't necessary to run these "tried and tested / gimmicky" builds. Regardless of how "efficient" they are. But that's what the norm is atm.

So, to answer your question. No, you don't need to be an obi tank imo. But that's what the masses want

/sigh

Solveig Ikram

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

none

19 Oct 2007 at 22:22 - 8

Elite difficulty = Obsidian Tank.
Why? I don't know.
Slaver's Exile is not difficult, and an obsidian tank just gives the monks a free ride to the chests. I only pugged twice with an obsidian tank and then the ele's, who requested a obsi-tank didn't even want to bring a snare. That leaves you with one member with no damage output, and agro cannot be maintained.
A normal warrior with some defensive skills can tank just as good and do some damage in the process. I found that going with a full caster party you can just rampage through the dungeons.
Hard Mode is a different story though, for another day.

[EW]Elendar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Esoteric Warriors

W/R

19 Oct 2007 at 22:28 - 9

did slavers quite a lot before the entry nerf

ran a wolf tank, we raped the duncan level in 20 minutes every time, pvp style manic pushes with searing

as long as you have competant players its pretty damn easy

T. Drake

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

R/Me

19 Oct 2007 at 22:29 - 10

With an Obsi-Tank it is a lot easier with PUGs, like everywhere else.

But I think if you have a bonder, any class can tank ^^ (Not sure about DoA)

i.e. we killed Thommis and Stormweaver in Hard Mode today, I had to play as a "ranger tank" (I think it would be better if I call it "a meat shield with bonds on it"), because my guild and alliance lacks a serious amount of players who play a melee profession.

It was a bit tricky, but not impossible.

I do it while vanguishing areas with my ranger as well. Because Heroes suck at tanking, I take a bonder hero (with Life Barrier, Life Bond, etc.) with me and tank by myself, it worked nearly everywhere.

So you do not need an Obsi-Tank, but rather any kind of Tank you can get.

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

19 Oct 2007 at 23:25 - 11

It seems that most GW players can't think for themselves, - ok, that's a bit harsh, maybe they don't have the time to put into it, but anyway -so, when someone says that some build or other "must be used", they don't know how else to do it.

A good example of that is the B/P groups that do the Tombs - everyone "knows" you must have 5 B/P, 1 mm, 1 orders, & 1 monk - and you "must" use Favorable Winds & Winnowing - or it just can't be done. Bah! I've done Tombs with H&H.

Unfortunately, most PUGs seem to consist mostly of those sort of players, which is why it's good to join a guild where some people actually come up with the builds others "must" use.

And, btw, I've done the first 3 parts of Slavers Exile with H&H (1 human Ranger (me), Jin, Margrid, Livia(mm), 2 hench monks, hench Mesmer, hench ranger (interrupt) - no tank) Having a bit of trouble with Duncan though - but.....

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

19 Oct 2007 at 23:36 - 12

You definitely do not need an Obsidian tank to do any of the parts of Slavers, including Duncan.

This is just another example of DOA/Deep/Urgoz PVE elitism creeping into Slavers Exile and ruining the ability to play with other real players in there, too.

Thankfully, all the Slavers areas can be done more easily and competently with 2 good players and 6 Heroes than with the Obsidian tank elitist PUG players.

KANE OG

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Ogmios Graybeards

19 Oct 2007 at 23:49 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

Thankfully, all the Slavers areas can be done more easily and competently with 2 good players and 6 Heroes than with the Obsidian tank elitist PUG players.

Best advice given here in a long time. Gj.

KANE

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

20 Oct 2007 at 00:00 - 14

I use Ursan for Slaver's, because Obsidian Flesh tank is beyond boring.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

20 Oct 2007 at 00:17 - 15

Bear Tank worked just fine for the Dungeons.

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

The Cult of Doom

20 Oct 2007 at 00:45 - 16

ironically people still take OB tanks to duncan even tho half the enemies are touchers lol

I enjoy playing ranger in pugs, and when that gets boring I just use henchway on my paragon. forge is my favorite level.

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

20 Oct 2007 at 02:53 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unkillable Cat

Sadly obsidian tank of some sorts is needed in every exile dungeon. I hate being a splinter barrager but had to adapt to get into groups. The reason people ask despite you being W/Mo is that you can chang eyour secondary on the fly if you have been another secondary clas before.
Hahaha, are you serious? I've gone through slaver's with no melee whatsoever much less an Obsidian tank. Stop spreading false info.

AlienFromBeyond

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Heros of Titans Realm [HotR]

20 Oct 2007 at 03:05 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

ironically people still take OB tanks to duncan even tho half the enemies are touchers lol This is why Ursan is better anyways, more health than OB tanks. Not to mention they're mobile so they can help people out when the touchers lose aggro (and they will when the stupid eles start to spam SH).

Daenara

Bad Romance

Join Date: May 2006

Aussie Trolling Crew HQ - Grand Matron

Mo/

20 Oct 2007 at 03:06 - 19

I regularly do slaver's with my husband and 6 heroes, and we've never used a tank. I don't think they're required at all, especially not a obsidian flesh tank. I think once we brought Jora with an adrenaline axe build for fun, but we just moved as a group through the dungeons.

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

20 Oct 2007 at 06:13 - 20

bear tank >>> obs tank.

I never ever run obs tank.

As a matter of fact, you don't even need ursan, a good tank with some defensive skills is all you need.

j_babs

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Swords of Honor

Mo/Me

20 Oct 2007 at 06:18 - 21

OB is a proph cap, perdition rock. Or you could scrap the whole tank idea and bring a caster.

therangereminem

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

R/Mo

20 Oct 2007 at 07:38 - 22

lol pople are funny anyone thinks you need a ob there newbs plan and simple. did duncun the other night on hm found a group spamming for 1 monk . got into the group frist thing they ask is ping so i did. then the tanks like you need bath spirit i cant tank without it.

soo. i was like ummmm , ping your bar tank, guy pings bar ob tank i laugh , so im like frist you dont need bath if youa half way good tank bath is not needed for duncun or anything in gwen dungen wise. second you dont need ob, long as you have 2 good monks thta know half what to do your good.

noether less to say i was then kicked calleda newb and then he spammed i was a newb dont take me!!

so i started my own group took bear form tank 2 lod/orit monks with seeds, a 1 rit/ranger 1 ranger/rit, 1 mesmer, 1 necro(no sos ), anda ele.. did it hard mode in 30 min and ducun was beat in 30 seconds. two days ago i did it with same build but used another monk to do pain v and smits to kill duncun.

btw necro was some werid build and no part in killing duncun.. lol

long story ending you dont need necros and you dont need ob

The Moon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

Disciples Of The Flame [Fire]

W/Rt

20 Oct 2007 at 07:51 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by j_babs

OB is a proph cap, perdition rock. Or you could scrap the whole tank idea and bring a caster. You can cap Obsidian Flesh in every campaign.

willie makeit

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Acolytes of Anguish [aOa]

20 Oct 2007 at 08:09 - 24

You do not need an obby tank for any of them, I have hench heroed all 4 campaign's including all dungeons with my ranger with no warrior in the party. I normally run splinter barrage or ursan blessing with a mm hero (ill swap for a spoil victor hero or a monk hero sometimes), ss hero, and bha hero, two monk henchmen and the two elementalist henchmen. Carefull pulling and an essence of celerity for tougher areas and it works like a charm.

Avatar Exico

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.

We Trip Hard On [AcID]

20 Oct 2007 at 08:43 - 25

all the Ppl saying LF Ob Tank, Prot Monk bahh people need to realize that Slayers is heros and Henchable. today me and my Leader/Friend did Sev dungeon in 30mins with 2 Ursen Wars and we died like on 1-3 times at max. It was most easy thing I ever seen and it very fast. Sry didnt get a Pic of it.

Whirlwind

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wolven Empire

20 Oct 2007 at 08:55 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by the lesser

In spite of everything that has already been said which i wont comment on ill just say this. Please try not to constrict yourself to one secondary. There are MANY useful skills out there from almost every class that you can use to compliment a warrior or any other class. Experiment and learn.

Its the same thing with the slavers dungeons, not one build or team build is what anyone 'needs'. Many different things will work.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

20 Oct 2007 at 09:18 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond

This is why Ursan is better anyways, more health than OB tanks. Not to mention they're mobile so they can help people out when the touchers lose aggro (and they will when the stupid eles start to spam SH). Ever heard of Symbiosis, intergral part of each group which has obsi tank? That gives it plentifullhp to tank touchers, better hp than ursa can ever hope for.

Anyway, slavers can be done just fine with H/H, so there is no fuss. Learn to plaz beter and you shouldnt need such group.

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

Me/A

20 Oct 2007 at 10:22 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Ever heard of Symbiosis, intergral part of each group which has obsi tank? That gives it plentifullhp to tank touchers, better hp than ursa can ever hope for.

Anyway, slavers can be done just fine with H/H, so there is no fuss. Learn to plaz beter and you shouldnt need such group. It's not like you even need a warrior to get to duncan on nm, that being said i've seen better ursan tanks then obsidian tanks. (Might have had something to do with the fact that obsidian flesh doesn't strip energy for failed spells, so if a obs looses agro the entire enemie team can unload all their spells)

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

20 Oct 2007 at 11:08 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Ever heard of Symbiosis, intergral part of each group which has obsi tank? That gives it plentifullhp to tank touchers, better hp than ursa can ever hope for.

Anyway, slavers can be done just fine with H/H, so there is no fuss. Learn to plaz beter and you shouldnt need such group. So what? 1000000000 life is useless if the enemies then decide that you're boring and they'll go hunt your silly nukers. Ursan lets you kill things

I had this same problem a week ago. I was looking into a pug for Forgewright and they told me to go Obsidian. I hadn't tried being an OB tank before and I certainly wouldn't want to do it again, at least not on a warrior. It was so boring. I would be invincible while OB was up but when it went down I either died or the mobs ran off to hunt the party members

RTSFirebat

The Humanoid Typhoon

Join Date: May 2005

Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

20 Oct 2007 at 11:45 - 30

We already have a discussion thread here... http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10204919

Why start another one? Closing.