Paragon: Nerfed But Fun.

Dev121

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Theres been so much debate about the usefulness of Paragons and today I finally got around to making one myself and they are alot of fun to play also I dont think there too useless and can quickly assist teams unlike more caster/spirit based classes a paragon can chant and shout and buff the team so quickly and make alot of fights a complete breeze. So has nerfing made you give up the profession or is there still a large amount of Paragon lovers?

P:S It would be nice to see them buffed abit but in all honesty they are far from useless.

Lagg

Lagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

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"There's Nothing to Fear!"

"They're on Fire!"

Anthem of Flame

Anthem of Weariness

"They're on Fire!"

Anthem of Flame

Anthem of Weariness

"There's Nothing to Fear!"

"They're on Fire!"

Anthem of Flame

Anthem of Weariness

"They're on Fire!"

Anthem of Flame

Anthem of Weariness

"There's Nothing to Fear!"

"They're on Fire!"

Anthem of Flame

Anthem of Weariness



Also chugs Spears.



Actually an okay profession, just not properly balanced and not terribly indispensable. Trying to keep Mending Refrain up on your entire party is as fun as having your eyes poked out. Continously.

"Please stay within earshot... Do you still have SuperMending? And you? Okay... Please stay within earshot you're going to miss an Anthem... No I can't see whether or not you have it... Please stay within earshot..."

Yeah, I can see why people don't like them as a Support class.

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

I started playing my paragon again, i forgot how much fun they were

Whiskeyjack

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

KOFU

Paragon's are undoubtedly one of the most powerful professions in both formats of play. I wouldn't pay to much attention to all whines about paragons, we had the same thing with necro's when SR was nerfed despite the fact soul reaping is still horribly broken.
The only hurdle paragons face is the ignorance of PUG's who do not uderstand the power of the class. Good luck with your para and i hope you continue to enjoy it.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mine's still overpowered as ever in PvE.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

I have yet to bring my Paragon into some of the more challenging situations in the game, he is an LS character, and only 100k away from the title. I couldn't really say whether he is over powered or not, as I don't use him in challenging combat yet.

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

Those echo skills for allies I'll never use.

I mean, honestly, who has the uber-micro skillz to keep them on everyone?

There's no way to keep track of who has it on and who hasn't unless you're an NPC.

draxynnic

draxynnic

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2005

[CRFH]

I don't think the intent was ever for echoes on allies to be maintained between combats, just to last through the combat. That said, it is possible to keep them on everbody by staying within earshot of them all and popping off an anthem every ten seconds.

One of my guildies responded to the patch with the line "Life after Aggressive Refrain: Oddly liberating". I (coincidentially) haven't played my Para since the nerf, but I can certainly see how it could be a lot less tedious than having to spam Anthem of Flame/Fury every ten seconds, in and out of combat, to keep the refrains up. I get enough of the stop-start play with the MM.

Another of my guildies is still maintaining a pile of echoes on the entire party with his Paragon, but I'd personally rather fill my skill slots with things I can actually do rather than things I have to maintain.

Grunntar

Grunntar

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

I love my Paragon. She's the only one to make Legendary Survivor for me. My Assassin died just before getting Survivor, and my Rit and Dervish half way to Indomitable Survivor. But the Paragon, cake!

In fact, I got through all three campaigns, seven maxed titles, and almost all of the way through GW:EN before she died. That's 3.2 million XP! And if I weren't with friends, I would have made it out of Oola's Lab and kept going... But I didn't want to do that to them, and have to restart the dungeon.

I think they are the most survivable class of them all. (Given the right build...)

- Grunntar

GloryFox

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

Yup about as fun now as an Assassin when Factions was first released.

Also about as wanted too.

Yup Para's are liked and wanted in Elite missions and groups now.

/sarcasm

Dean Harper

Dean Harper

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

USA

The Killer Clan Musketeers [TKCM]

Me/E

dunno about others, but i really got bored w/ mine. It was fun for about the first half of NF, and then I about had to shoot myself. Mesmers ftw!

RPGmaniac

RPGmaniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

I couldn't make it off Istan with my paragon. Probably not enough time to really learn how to play them in PvE, but it was just too boring for me.

But with all this talk I hear about how good they can be in PvE, I've been experimenting with Paragon heroes a little bit, and they seem to be a solid class even with the recent nerfs.

Marth Reynolds

Marth Reynolds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Netherlands

The Lore Enforcers

Me/A

Theyre still going quite good imo, anthem of weariness is the new gem for teh paragons imo.. mass weakness with a proper teambuild ^^

paras are a little on the boring side with just having to spam most skills imo, but it's nice to support the team

XiaoTheBlade

XiaoTheBlade

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Southern England

Reign Of Shadows

P/W

I made my paragon just over 2 weeks ago, and just been playing with him, I enjoy playing with him and still haven't died yet

Even almost completed eye of the north, and am at Realm of Torment in nightfall.

http://i20.tinypic.com/14cefd3.jpg

Ninian_Grace

Ninian_Grace

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

GWOnline

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Mine's still overpowered as ever in PvE. I would be curious to see what build you use. O.o

I still enjoy playing mine...ALOT. its about the only character I play...

I am planning on making him my title hoe. he is worth over 400K already so...I can't really just let him go...

I couldn't say he is OVERPOWERED in PvE. Mine was GOING to be a LS character but I died in Frostmaw's Lair. the first dungeon I have made when EotN came out. didn't think it was that hard...

''HOLY CRAP! 5 FROST WURMS AND 1 FROSTMAW SPAWN!!'' *25x wurm bile*

- Wtf...

Lost my title at 880K exp...funny part is that I did it maybe a couple weeks later and I didn't die...

Anyways, Bryant...if you could either post or PM me that build you use. I would be very greatfull.

XiaoTheBlade

XiaoTheBlade

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Southern England

Reign Of Shadows

P/W

My build works quite nicely (in screenshot above)

When against destroyers replace anthem of flame with another skill.
When not against torment stuff replace lightbringers gaze with something else.

knoll

knoll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

Washington State.

[ToA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
Yup about as fun now as an Assassin when Factions was first released.

Also about as wanted too.

Yup Para's are liked and wanted in Elite missions and groups now.

/sarcasm you're terrible, stop posting, lrn2imbagon

Silly Warrior

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

Please, no more wining about how horrible paragons are. Please only discuss the pros and cons, without sarcasm.

Thanks. ( I deleted my paragon, but still love them )

street peddler

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

i like them...if only for that one build (god mode engage)

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Paragons goooood, really, I use them in a few hero builds of mine and the're very, very nice. They're especially good at keeping the team clean of hexes and conditions, because the hench monks usually kinda suck at that. The paragon can boost defenses AND do damage at the same time, and their energy seems to be endless.

If only they didn't do such a dirty hack job on aggressive refrain, they should just have lowered the armor, but applying cracked armor every time the chant refreshes is just ridiculous.

Koning

Koning

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
Yup about as fun now as an Assassin when Factions was first released.

Also about as wanted too.

Yup Para's are liked and wanted in Elite missions and groups now.

/sarcasm Stop posting indeed.....

blue.rellik

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

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I met a Paragon at Umbral Grotto who was looking to do Duncan for the first time (like). Knowing how great they are, I suggest for her to go Dual Gon heroes and a monk (I bought triple necro heros following Sab's build). We tore through the place and just ran wild, aggroing pretty much everything in sight (I did use some consumables though to counter the fact it was like 8 vs 16) Duncan was a cinch as well

We then went and did Frostmaw's, I bought the consumables but didn't even need them as the other guy was spamming those broken PvE shouts making it terribly easy for Ogden and Livia to heal everyone

The moral of the story is that Paragons are awesome and you're a idiot if you disagree

G E A R S

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

E/Mo

personally i feel that spears are pretty weak and are too conditional for good raw pve damage and absolutely no aoe use

...but the shouts and chants, those are really sweet although they only have a couple of shouts that are actually useful and most of them really on physical damage to get the full effect
whereas in most dungeons and missions the damage is more caused through spellcasting which renders the the selection of shouts rather small

my paragon: i hate him

my spirit warrior spear chucking rit: love him

wilebill

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

The para still works quite well in PvE, though hardly overpowered. As a ranged damage dealer, not as versatile or as powerful as a Ranger. But add in party support and things even out.

MercenaryK

MercenaryK

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

What A Mess

W/N

At first when the NF preview came out where we could play a Paragon or Dervish in PvP, I remember a deal I made with my friend; he'd try out the Dervish and I'd try out the Paragon. I create a Paragon, and run around on Isle of the Nameless (didn't PvP, just wanted to see the new class). I didn't care for it. I told my friend I'd rather have chosen the Dervish.

When NF came out, I made a Paragon, and my God it's such a bad ass. PvE wise yes, it's easy for a Paragon to make a build to compliment Heroes & Henchmen. PvP I haven't had any luck with (although the Costume Brawl build looks very nice, I may imitate that build).

I think of the Paragon as the jack-of-all-trades. For those that played WoW, the Paragon is the Shaman of GW. Paragons can do decent support, decent damage (statistics can do better than warrior weapon ) and have decent survivability (tough armor and decent self heals).

The Paragon can't be a substitute for another class, but enhance, compliment, or buff any party member when you think about it. We can support attackers and casters, and provide defensive buffs to all. I have the mind set that I'm a jack of all trades, I won't do anything WTF amazing, but I will make a difference and be able to support either role in the party.

I think that actually helps the Paragon. Some classes have pressure to perform exactly as expected; what is expected of the Paragon? Keep shouts up? Keep throwing spears? Use your Signet of Return? Answer that, and go from there to get ideas churning.