Guild Wars World Championships 3: A Movement

Winstar

Winstar

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

London

26 Oct 2007 at 18:00 - 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

You sort of confirm my feeling that PvP may have become elitist and will not consider "passing the flame" to others, you're (almost?) on your own if you want to learn. (maybe the "educational" guilds are too busy educating, rather than being on GWG ). But Winstar's message sort of infirms that, it's hard to tell from "outside".

I want personally to get into PvP at one point, but it seems that the learning curve is not only very steep (due to 2 years of experience not very well communicated to other players and lots of history, from nerfs to complex power plays) but not facilitated for those that, at this point in time, are not part of the "PvP family".

I'll go and spend some more time (after Halloween event) in GWG's PvP forum. (I don't know if it's semantic misreading, but most ads in the PvP guilds recruiting forum are not as friendly as the ones in the PvE guilds recruiting forum ...)
The sense in which you are on your own is that unless you have a group of friends or guildmates that are also interested in getting into pvp, you're going to have to branch out on your own via, guesting, pugging, taing, raing etc. But the same goes for pretty much everything in this game, pve included, its just that the level of difficulty is higher for pvp. For me, I joined a guild way back when who did a bit of everything. They pve'd a lot and they also liked to regularly gvg and they were happy to let anyone get on board and try. There were a couple of people who had formerly been competitive and had stepped back to play the game more casually and were happy to teach.

In terms of complexity, the skills may have changed over time, but the basics of good play have not. To be honest I'm not sure about the resources in the pvp forums here anymore, but if you can dig up older articles I would do it. When you TA or RA watch what other people are doing that make them succeed. Learn from mistakes. Watch Obs. Ask questions. Some people are asses, but a lot of people are happy to help.

The amount of effort all depends on what you are looking to get out of the game pvpwise. If you just want to mess around in TA/RA and get some glad titles then its a lot less work. If you want to causally gvg for fun, you need to find or make a guild but after that its just play and do what you like. If you want to do well at GvG, then the demands start going up fast.

anyway, this is getting off the topic of the thread so perhaps we should steer it back on course before this turns into something else.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

26 Oct 2007 at 18:13 - 122
sure, do it.

there is still chance for pvp revival, and this might be it.

ax mastery

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

26 Oct 2007 at 19:52 - 123
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
You misread me: I didn't say to bring newbies (and not n00bs, at least to my knowledge they are two different races of GW players) in GvG, but educate them. Isn't it possible through RA? TA? (here I'm a newbie, rather than a n00b, as I'm not sure if this applies, but as soon as I get corrected or confirmed I'll learn rather than make a stupid comment or a useful contribution). I'm sure it's also possible through simple talking on a forum or via ventrilo&co.

You sort of confirm my feeling that PvP may have become elitist and will not consider "passing the flame" to others, you're (almost?) on your own if you want to learn. (maybe the "educational" guilds are too busy educating, rather than being on GWG ). But Winstar's message sort of infirms that, it's hard to tell from "outside".

I want personally to get into PvP at one point, but it seems that the learning curve is not only very steep (due to 2 years of experience not very well communicated to other players and lots of history, from nerfs to complex power plays) but not facilitated for those that, at this point in time, are not part of the "PvP family".

I'll go and spend some more time (after Halloween event) in GWG's PvP forum. (I don't know if it's semantic misreading, but most ads in the PvP guilds recruiting forum are not as friendly as the ones in the PvE guilds recruiting forum ...)
There are plenty of pvp'ers willing to teach newer players, i guarantee you. However, the vast majority of people starting pvp "just want to win." In GW PvP you can't just start winning, you have to put a LOT of time into learning the game mechanics (emphasis on LOT). No pvp'er wants to help someone who just want to win, but a good deal are willing to help you learn the game. If you want, i can teach you a lot. I'm not great, but fairly good. Just be willing to put time into learning (ign is on left).

Pvp guild recruitment posts don't have to be friendly. I've seen guilds advertise with "Don't suck" and nothing else. They can do this because most pvp'ers know all the top guilds, and know what they are looking for when they recruit, and most top pvp'ers know each other already. The main site for pvp'ers is www.teamquitter.com btw.

Anyway, /signed.

Div

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

26 Oct 2007 at 20:28 - 124
Don't remember if I signed it or not, but I'll /sign again :P

EmreRyu

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

That Hideous Strength

W/E

26 Oct 2007 at 20:31 - 125
/signed

I think it was originally Agrias who started this movement, so thanks again if you didn't get my message in QQ forums Agrias!

You just got tomahawked

You just got tomahawked

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

H-Town

The Battle Bakery [vPie]

N/

26 Oct 2007 at 23:50 - 126
/signed

1234

Mad Pig

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

Team Chaos Theory

27 Oct 2007 at 00:44 - 127
/signed
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beorntheold

beorntheold

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

sofia, bulgaria

Mo/

27 Oct 2007 at 12:27 - 128
GW PvP has always been the heart of the game for me, and, even though i know i'll never play on WC level, it felt a lot better knowing that those guys are somewhere close to us, playing the same game; it gave me hope - "who knows, perhaps one day i'll be good enough... maybe, just maybe one of them will notice me on obs someday and say 'hey, didn't we need X for our smurf?' ". now most of them have moved on.

in retrospective someone needs to be fired for the way GW was marketed over the years. GW should've been the electronic sport by now, theundesputed king of team-based e-games instead of just "another RP MMO". (oh, and fire the the person who decided that Gaile should be the only CM for so long while you're at it).

short form: WC3 at PAX ftw! /signed, /signed/, /signed!

GourangaPizza

GourangaPizza

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

R/W

27 Oct 2007 at 13:00 - 129
/signed

It's really sad to see such a game with great match of game mechanics and concept fail to qualify itself in major gaming tournaments. I hope Anet realised how much of a impact they have brought upon the PvP community of online gaming with GW.

Gagillionaire

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Deep Thrustin Bra Bustin [ORGY]

W/A

27 Oct 2007 at 17:34 - 130
/signed 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

27 Oct 2007 at 18:01 - 131
/Signed Whole heartedly

Alex Dimitri

Alex Dimitri

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Passionate Kiss Of Nosferatu [KISS]

N/Mo

28 Oct 2007 at 15:26 - 132
/Signed

Absolutely

Rampager

Rampager

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Australia

Mo/

28 Oct 2007 at 16:47 - 133
/signed
PvP is all some people have left....

Skuld

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

28 Oct 2007 at 18:02 - 134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rampager
/signed
PvP is all some people have left....
Someone needs a hug!

Signation

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Short On Change [peso]

Mo/

28 Oct 2007 at 20:42 - 135
Still awaiting Andrew's reply, but hovering to close to 400~500 signatures, from people of both communities, it truly has been a massive effort.

Thanks to everybody who expressed their interest.

6am3 Fana71c

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

28 Oct 2007 at 21:04 - 136
/sign
/sign
/sign some moar

Cilio

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

28 Oct 2007 at 22:11 - 137
/signed *873643892776379201

6am3 Fana71c

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

29 Oct 2007 at 10:21 - 138
Btw that GWFC Leipzig vidoes are awsome, I really wish GW would once again have that kind of players and PvP atmosphere...

Skydancer

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Apr 2007

FD

E/

29 Oct 2007 at 10:46 - 139
/signed

it would be great, truly

Signation

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Short On Change [peso]

Mo/

29 Oct 2007 at 17:35 - 140
The effort has been slowing down, but don't let it! Tell friends, spread the word, if nothing else have them come read my thoughts, or thoughts in the QQ forums and comment, if this is any indicator of what many of you in these forums think of the game then your opinion would definitely be valuable.

Thanks,
Matt

borkbork

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Me/

29 Oct 2007 at 17:57 - 141
/signed

I want to see those old guilds come back and play!

6am3 Fana71c

6am3 Fana71c

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

30 Oct 2007 at 13:43 - 142
Oh and when I saw in that videos that [WM] was practicing 10 hours / day, I was like... O_O

DarkRaider

DarkRaider

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

WTB 20/20 and 20/19 MESMER Staves

W/

30 Oct 2007 at 15:45 - 143
/signed

i really think this would give competitive guild wars the boost it needs and affects primary pve-players to devote their time to pvp like it made me...

topdragon147

topdragon147

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Minnesota

Onslaught of Xen [XoO]

R/

30 Oct 2007 at 16:33 - 144
/signed

12chars

Andrew Patrick

Andrew Patrick

ArenaNet

Join Date: Aug 2006

Washington

Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

Mo/

30 Oct 2007 at 18:03 - 145
We have not finalized our strategy for next year's competitive play support, so at this time, we cannot give a definitive answer on what our plan is. I have passed this petition on, and will continue to share your point of view. Once we have a plan nailed down, we will have more to share.

Blame the Monks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

30 Oct 2007 at 20:08 - 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Patrick
Once we have a plan nailed down, we will have more to share.
We don't want you to tell us what you decide, we want you to consider this alternative to letting the game die as you work on GW2.

Yarly

Yarly

Retired GW Player

Join Date: Jun 2006

UK

Mo/

30 Oct 2007 at 20:18 - 147
Why do some people think that all the old guilds are going to come back? Even if there is another championship it isn't going to be the same as last year or the year before.

Welcome to life...

Sapper_V

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

Chipotle Mexican Bar and Grill [Inc]

30 Oct 2007 at 22:19 - 148
/signed. great idea

JoeKnowMo

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

31 Oct 2007 at 00:27 - 149
/signed. Am I'm a PvE'er.

Rexion

Rexion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

[Luck]

E/

31 Oct 2007 at 00:33 - 150
/signed

they can't not have GvG and still call it Guild Wars...
no one wants to play ABO (Alliances Battles Online)...

Lord Helmchen

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2007

Germany

Wild Stormcats

W/E

06 Nov 2007 at 15:51 - 151
/signed 12 Chars