Order's Derv?

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

I've heard people briefly touch on this build but i've never really understood the point behind it.

My questions are:

What are the advantages of using orders derv over a necro (if any) ?

And what would be the whole bar?

Thanks in advance.

moko

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

better energy management, survival, party heals from distance.

Tab

Tab

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

Under a bridge

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/

Mysticism lets you spam Orders easily. That's about it.
The bars normally OoP/OoV and Dark Fury, with OoA or Pious Renewal as an elite if you're running OoP. The rest of the bar is filled with self survival such as Vital Boon+SoPL and Mystic Regen. They can be used as a runner of sorts with SoMS or Enchanted Haste.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

i'd add better health management.

in pve, followup each order with signet of pious light -> you can spam 24/7 without ever having to worry about energy OR health.

for bar: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build/N_Mystic_Orders

damn smileys!

Tab

Tab

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

Under a bridge

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/

That build has OoV and OoP. Yey for idiocy.

Burton2000

Burton2000

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

A cardboard box in England

Men Of Substance [YMCA]

Mo/Me

http://gwshack.us/3ec37

Thats the one from our old gvg build. Healing is no problem with it using vow of piety. And as oop and oov dont stack you can use dark fury instead of one of them. Also you can provide a constant hp to the party which is always nice.

Sab

Sab

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The build on Wiki is trash, go with the one Burton2000 posted.

blue.rellik

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sab
The build on Wiki is trash, go with the one Burton2000 posted. Do you have the link? I've been looking for it everywhere thanks

ヽ(??ー`)ノ

ヽ(??ー`)ノ

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by blue.rellik
Do you have the link? I've been looking for it everywhere thanks
.... trying reading the thread.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sab
The build on Wiki is trash, go with the one Burton2000 posted. feel free to fix it if its trash ... geez, its wiki

fyi, it worked just fine in generall pve /tombs/ where half of group would votekick you for not having oov.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
fyi, it worked just fine in generall pve /tombs/ where half of group would votekick you for not having oov. All that proves is that the majority of people in PuGs are stupid and that PvE/Tombs is easy

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

Am I missing something? What's the point of Dark Fury?

ヽ(??ー`)ノ

ヽ(??ー`)ノ

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

It's like double adrenaline per hit.

Perfected Shadow

Perfected Shadow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Zul'Aman

Umes Uranger U[bot]

Quote:
It's like double adrenaline per hit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Orders builds only used with B/P groups nowadays?

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

No, they're used in FoW etc aswell with paragons and stuff.

blue.rellik

blue.rellik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Melbourne, Australia

None

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by ヽ(´ー`)ノ
.... trying reading the thread. Missed that post, my bad

moko

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Orders builds only used with B/P groups nowadays? ..? any heavy physical team will run an orders with them. there's more than just farming teams you know. :P