I bring to you...THE CHANTER PARAGON

Fhlamin Scythe

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Slovenia

Shiros Disciples

P/R

Woopdeedoo, i made a build im really proud of. I made it because i was frustrated that i couldnt get in any party in DoA.

I bring to you... THE CHANTER PARAGON:

basically, i use 2 sets of armor, one for fighting and one for this build. it may be a bit expensive but im sure you can manage. So, what you gotta do is apply radiant insignias to all your armor parts, +1 rune command, +1 rune leadership, others must be attunement.
the Skills:

In order as i use them

1."Incoming!"
2."There's nothing to fear!"
3."Anthem of flame"
4."Glowing signet"(for energy management)
5."Never Surrender"(can be replaced with"Lightbringer's Gaze"(for margos in doa))
6."Vocal was sogolon" ( a rt skill, made especialy for paragons(noone seems to use it))
7."Sunspear rebirth signet"
8."Stand your ground!"

Ok so, if youre gonna use it in DoA you better keep away from those necromancers, they have skills that cant completely make this build useless.
it goes like this: cast Vocal was sogolon. stick to the back of the team(but still in earshot) and shout "Incoming!" ( should take off the pressure of first spikes). when that runs out, use there's nothing to fear. now you can use anthem of flame for +1 energy and then use glowing signet on the burning foe. keep hitting them with LB's gaze freely.

if used correctly, this build acts like a life boat. when im in a party with my monk heroes and a bunch of imbread-#@$#tards who usually rush in, i can take almost half the pressure of the monks, thus leaving them enough energy to heal. also, bring a MM for non doa areas with corpses. makes a hell of a team.

I hope this build will highten the use of paragons a bit, and i know my hopes are high, but maybe do you think its worth to go in the public(pvx)? thanks in advance and dont flame me :P , yours truly:
Angel Snowflake Xx

p.s.: use with max lb and SS for maximum performance, gl and hf

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Anthem of Flame requires an attack skill to trigger. You have no attack skill on that bar.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

paragons have hard res, you know. one of better ones.

why would paragon want radiant insignia/runes is beyond me.

why would i as para run this when i can do the same /better/ with iconic angelic bonder or SY! spammer which actually benefits party more and outputs some damage ... because you can do massive defence while outputing damage.

Tarzanboy

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

Mo/

This build is pretty close to this build on PvXWiki.

I'd agree with zwei2stein's analysis.

Cheers,
TB

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

Would have been good a year ago....

but gets the /fail now.

SleepyLuxon

SleepyLuxon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2007

Georgia, United States

League Of Commanders [LoC]

P/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omniclasm
Would have been good a year ago....

but gets the /fail now. I have to agree with that.

To OP:
Also your hopes to expand Paragon usage with this build is in good heart but the build is pretty old school maybe pre-nerf incoming it might have seen play.

yesitsrob

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

If you showed me this to get into my DoA party, you wouldn't get in. It's a really poor build, numerous flaws. Bad Elite, no attack skills, no IAS...

Ninian_Grace

Ninian_Grace

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

GWOnline

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by yesitsrob
If you showed me this to get into my DoA party, you wouldn't get in. It's a really poor build, numerous flaws. Bad Elite, no attack skills, no IAS... sums it up pretty much...

1: you have to attack skill to trigger anthem.
and 2: SY! > incoming.

and I still run the good old SY, spear of fury, TNTF, focused anger. anthem of flame, they're on fire!, Go for the eyes! and aggresive refrain. went through slaver's with that build...with heroes and hench. =/

MercenaryK

MercenaryK

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

What A Mess

W/N

Anthem of Flame triggers from attack skils
Party members have attack skills
Look for a monster the warrior targets, wait for there to be fire
Now you used Glowing Signet properly

All the criticism and no one even sees that...

FAIL!

Whiskeyjack

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

KOFU

Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryK
Anthem of Flame triggers from attack skils
Party members have attack skills
Look for a monster the warrior targets, wait for there to be fire
Now you used Glowing Signet properly

All the criticism and no one even sees that...

FAIL! Oh we saw it, however the bar is still really bad.

yesitsrob

yesitsrob

Elite Guru

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

SMS/Victrix

Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryK
Anthem of Flame triggers from attack skils
Party members have attack skills
Look for a monster the warrior targets, wait for there to be fire
Now you used Glowing Signet properly

All the criticism and no one even sees that...

FAIL! and when you do this (which by the way, we knew), the build still sucks! Wow!

Fhlamin Scythe

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2007

Slovenia

Shiros Disciples

P/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
Anthem of Flame requires an attack skill to trigger. You have no attack skill on that bar.
but others in my party have

Quote: Originally Posted by zwei2stein why would paragon want radiant insignia/runes is beyond me. so you have more enrgy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ninian_Grace
sums it up pretty much...

1: you have to attack skill to trigger anthem.
and 2: SY! > incoming.

and I still run the good old SY, spear of fury, TNTF, focused anger. anthem of flame, they're on fire!, Go for the eyes! and aggresive refrain. went through slaver's with that build...with heroes and hench. =/ well i cant run Save Yourselves if im /rt

Hmmm im quite surprised you guys have such critisism for this build.
I countered all your posts. please debate on so i know what to change
plus, that build you have(ninian_grace) will not win me a spot in DoA.

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

P/

4 posts in a row to quote different stuff each time.... Answer in 1 post in the future as they don't like spam.

The thing is your build doesn't do a great job in general pve. Other builds can do better stuff so interesting idea, just not good enough for us.

street peddler

street peddler

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

incoming is just very bad now.

MercenaryK

MercenaryK

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

What A Mess

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by yesitsrob
and when you do this (which by the way, we knew), the build still sucks! Wow! You better state it then, saves me the time of wondering if people are stupid. And saves time from arguementing about it later. Two posts to dedicate something you knew but fail to mention? Sure it could be common sense but if you're going to put opinion's about the build you need to take all things in to consideration.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryK
You better state it then, saves me the time of wondering if people are stupid. And saves time from arguementing about it later. Two posts to dedicate something you knew but fail to mention? Sure it could be common sense but if you're going to put opinion's about the build you need to take all things in to consideration. So....you thought that people said this build sucked because of AoF? lol

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhlamin Scythe
but others in my party have


so you have more enrgy



well i cant run Save Yourselves if im /rt

Hmmm im quite surprised you guys have such critisism for this build.
I countered all your posts. please debate on so i know what to change
plus, that build you have(ninian_grace) will not win me a spot in DoA. Paragon not using a spear, pretty much always fails. Not to mention a severely heavily wtf nerfed Incoming.

No elite
No spear
No Save Yourselves
Couple questionable skills...Glowing Signet, Never Surrender
Vocal Was Sogolon does more harm than good.

Not trying to flame, just trying to critique, and I think it is great that you wanted Paragons to see more play, but this just doesn't out-do the current popular build most Paragons run. Paragons do not need better builds to get them accepted into PuGs, they need better PuGs. The PuGs fail, not the Paragon builds.

Ninian_Grace

Ninian_Grace

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

GWOnline

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhlamin Scythe
but others in my party have


so you have more enrgy



well i cant run Save Yourselves if im /rt

Hmmm im quite surprised you guys have such critisism for this build.
I countered all your posts. please debate on so i know what to change
plus, that build you have(ninian_grace) will not win me a spot in DoA. Maybe not for you in DoA...but it did for me + 3 heros + 4 henchies in HM Slaver's. its just because alot does not know how to play it.

and maybe a skill or two was changed...

MercenaryK

MercenaryK

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

What A Mess

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omniclasm
So....you thought that people said this build sucked because of AoF? lol No. Actually I think people really think this build sucks because he has Sunspear Rebirth Signet. I mean seriously, WHY REZ AT ALL?! It's the monk's job.

Etta

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryK
I mean seriously, WHY REZ AT ALL?! It's the monk's job. lol. You're kidding, right?

Floski

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Rank Three Plus Pug [deer]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhlamin Scythe

I countered all your posts. You didn't counter jack. Your build sucks, the suggestions in this thread > your build. IF you want to continue believing some theorycrafted build you thought up works better, which even on paper it doesn't, go right ahead, reject the criticism.

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhlamin Scythe
So, what you gotta do is apply radiant insignias to all your armor parts, +1 rune command, +1 rune leadership, others must be attunement.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhlamin Scythe
4."Glowing signet"(for energy management) Exactly how much energy do you need as a Paragon? Leadership exists for just that reason.

Mike_version2

Mike_version2

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etta
lol. You're kidding, right? god, I hope he is

Kyp Jade

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA

Lack of Talent [Luck]

P/

I know this is off topic, but someone needs to find a cool picture with FAIL on it and post it here.

In any case, your build really doesnt offer very much at all, and incommings only function is a spike save, which is already bad in pvp, and in pve its even worse.

longhornrob

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp Jade
I know this is off topic, but someone needs to find a cool picture with FAIL on it and post it here.

In any case, your build really doesnt offer very much at all, and incommings only function is a spike save, which is already bad in pvp, and in pve its even worse. Something like this perhaps?

Oblivious Moose

Oblivious Moose

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Sinister Swarm [Sin]

P/

*pops head in*

[card]"incoming!"[/card] weakens [card]invoke lightning[/card] spike in DoA, that usually causes an instant party wipe.

*runs in fear of flamers*

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oblivious Moose
[card]"incoming!"[/card] weakens [card]invoke lightning[/card] spike in DoA, that usually causes an instant party wipe. Not Enraging the Su until everything else is dead works too and saves your elite spot.

Washi

Washi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryK
WHY REZ AT ALL?! It's the monk's job. I know you guys mentioned it already but I just couldnt help myself.... quote of the year.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oblivious Moose
*pops head in*

[card]"incoming!"[/card] weakens [card]invoke lightning[/card] spike in DoA, that usually causes an instant party wipe.

*runs in fear of flamers* It counters one skill from one monster every 20 seconds. Yay?

LightningHell

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

Guildless

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhlamin Scythe
Hmmm im quite surprised you guys have such critisism for this build.
I countered all your posts. please debate on so i know what to change
plus, that build you have(ninian_grace) will not win me a spot in DoA. Funny you say that when that is the only other post other from your OP...

Ben-A-BoO

Ben-A-BoO

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Europe

Quote:
Originally Posted by MercenaryK
I mean seriously, WHY REZ AT ALL?! It's the monk's job. ROFL ... Now i have coke all over my keyboard.
*signs Washi qoute of the year request*
- if you don't get it yet: the last person in my team i want to bring res is my monks ... i want them keep the others up while they res -

But now some kind words that lag on this forum so often:
Nice to see that you try to think out of the box for a bit.
And yes, paragons rule the world of pve if it comes to toning down damage.

I would suggest to run something more useful though:

First off ... you want a spear and a shield.
"Save Yourselves!" (reduces an equivalent of 82.32%% damage) and "There is nothing to Fear" are great enough ... combine this with "They are on Fire" if you run Searing Flame on your Elementalists.

Your suggestion of using Glowing Signet while watching a warrior hitting something with an attack skill is a very unreliable strategy for energy management. Especially if the warrior doesn't bring an attack skill because he tanks with obsidian. Use your Adrenaline shouts for e-management.

I wish you good luck,
Timebandit

MercenaryK

MercenaryK

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

What A Mess

W/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etta
lol. You're kidding, right? Yes I said that in pure sarcasm. It saves the Monk grief if people bring a form of resurrection, that way the Monk can keep on saving lives and not worry about stopping.

With my Paragon I let it be known that I'll rez first with Signet of Return; if it's just one person down, which it is then it's the better choice with good Leadership and 7 other people within earshot.

Diddy bow

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

incoming is basicly just to crap to work in anything, its like Wastrels collapse, the idea is good but its just to weak to be worth using, cept that incoming once was good before paraway...

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fhlamin Scythe

so you have more enrgy
This statement makes you fail on so many levels ...

sagebirt

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

house

Revenge and Death Always

Rt/W

piece of advice, personally i just have the one set of armor which has all the typical runes you would need health etc and leadership! then for the headpiece i have one for command, spear and motivation and i just switch the headpieces around depending on my build...simple! and cheap of course.

Ministry Of Peace

Ministry Of Peace

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

req 12 land

guildless for the time being

P/

you'd be better off going mot and taking mantra of restoration, especially with the recent LOD nerf.