State of the Game—October 29, 2007

If a class is allowed to have limitless passive energy "management", then my warrior should never have to build up adrenaline but permanently be on frenzy without drawbacks and perma-dash.

....while you could start using your brain if it was ever buffed and understand why the change was needed.

The discussion is old however, not sure where you were hiding back then.

There's one now.

Right, and paper armor, poor class self heals, and the only effective damage dealing skills require a self inflicted condition or significant sacrafice of hp don't make up for the passive energy management?

....you should start using your brain and attempt to understand a class before you open your cake hole. I bet the only Necro build you run is MM.

There is absolutely no comparison between the PvP and PvE skills acquirement change. PvP used to have to get all their skills the same as everyone else. But the total catering to the PvP game allows them to open skills on their account, keep and eliminate characters to change primary, and use anything they want anytime they want for a tiny bit of effort opening the skills once.

PvP should have to open the skills for each character just like PvE or PvE should only have to open the skills once to have available for any character they make. (And I can see limiting it to the non-elite skills because of the skill hunter title, but only with that limitation.) PvP never has to pay for their skill per character after they are open. For someone who plays the full PvE game, even if they PvP to open a skill they still are penalized by having to purchase it for each and every character they have. (In my case, if I open a skill it still costs me upto 10k to get it for all 10 of my characters.) And no, the answer isn't well just get it once and use it on your heroes. There are places where everyone needs the skill (Mantra of Earth against the Draught, Frigid Armor in Regent's Valley HM, set builds fo GWEN since certain arenas are designed against certain types of play/classes).

And I agree, they don't talk at all about the nerf bat being wolloped on the Necro class, and barely mention the destruction of the usefulness of Ele's with the AoE nerf - after which they only reason people liked Ele's was for unending E/Mo healing. Now with the Dervish, Warriors are just second rate guards who can't keep up.

The article is a good sumary of general changes for those who weren't here. It can only piss off again anyone who ever tried to achieve something they liked in the game.

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I stopped reading there....

Didn't they run Mesmers for airspikes way back? Before Warmachine and Last Pride?

And do we really miss skills not having a 1k cost limit applied to them?

I simply see that if a PvPer can open their skill once for all characters and use it at will with all characters, then PvEers should have the same privilege. And back before there would be any cost limits of a k, was also back when only a few skills Had to be purchased from out of the way skills trainers (Grendich, Beetletun, Maguuma Stade, Copperhammer, Marhans Grotto). When they gave up writing quests for every skill, and only allowed skills through purchase there had to be some limit. As is, a character has over 100k in skills plus elite captures. (I know, I am acquiring all class skills for each of the 10 classes on characters that hold that primary.)

omfg fc airspike pew pew pew. That would so get stomped by Mirror + Mels Dervs nowadays.

Gale + Exhaustion mechanics should really have been mentioned.

They didn't mention EoE bomb. That to me is the single coolest gimmick ever. They also didn't mention FoC spike.

Not to mention this article didn't actually have anything to do with The State of the Game

Screw you, State of the Game Article. You fail hard.

What about the....

THIS IS SPARTAAAAAA!!!!!! cries in AB?

Not to mention that said energy management was ALL Soul Reaping could do (it originally had no skills), and that the cost of necro skills was balanced taking SR into account...

They forgot to mention one also,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e50ZWameLVI

Lol. That was pretty hot.

I miss the old Minion Factory Build, Unlimited Minions FTW!

Although some changes were needed (like minion number caps, and Nature Ritual change to one Nature Ritual up at a time) seems like ANet has become hyper active in the last year (since factions at least) in skill changes. Unlike the few "real balancing" changes they used to do. Now they seem to balance at a moments notice as soon as there is a build or flavor of the month that develops. Of course those were days when "balance" did not kill off a class profession, before the dark times, before IZZYWAY.

I wonder what ANet will kill off next?

reminded me of trying interrupt as a ranger back when you just had to know the cast time for everything and watch character animations

q_q

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SF is still 2-man-green-farmable. And yes, including HM

You don't have any clue how Soul Reaping could be abused neither do you have the slightest clue how effective hexes used to be and still are.

A Mesmer heals worse. Now give him 120 armour instead?

Go eat mudkipz, herd they wuz gud.

Made me laugh considering all warrior has been using it basicly since the game was made and he goes on to say people have been using it since the alpha.

Remember when Guild Wars was actually a good game?

My first PvP experience was on an EoE Bomb team. I didn't know the first thing about HA or HoH. A guildie needed someone with a Necro and I was the only one available. It was a "blast", now I see how cheap it was and have corrected the error of my ways.

unfortunately not. its been too long

Just like everything in the world, you gotta move on.

Yes, but fortunately not everything moves at the same speed!

Ain't it the truth. I've gone back to playing Civilization IV and Lords of Magic SE and tweaking them myself. Wouldn't it have been nice if we all could have tweaked GW to our own specifications? Drop rates we as individuals wanted. Skills speced out the ways we wanted them to be? <sigh> Don't you hate being told you have to play "my way or the highway"< signed IGGY>
If you wanted 7 heroes you could have 7 heroes? If you wanted to play in the high end content with heroes and henchies you could play in the high end content with them? If you wanted to PVP with heroes and henchies you wouldn't be restricted to just 2?

The old days of Bloodspiking and vimway, twas ,nothing like it.

I don't have to remember. I chose not to jump on the bandwagon of the Guild Wars Apocoplypse due to over reactions to grinding and skill balences.