Warrior+IW whats your point of view on it?
I know its bad energy magment
I know meshmers can do more dmg with it
But i have seen a few builds with it because it does consistant high armor ignoring dmg (32-5) with high illusion and those build work great (SOLO).
I brought this up in Incgamer and people fliped out.. am i wrong? is IW a forbiden skill..? it seems to me that the skill is good you just have to use it correctly.
post your thoughts, here is link to incgamer thread,
http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...465369&page=12
I think the people in inc are just stuborn and unready to try somthing because everybody else says its stupid..
Do I Dare Ask This Question??
thor thunder
A Leprechaun
Well I think its ok for messing about but you wont be doing nearly as much damage as you would if you just went and hit stuff, remember you dont gain adrenaline with IW and you cant use attacks skills. So basicaly it wont work very well, but I guess if your just henching some PvE then go for it.
~A Leprechaun~
~A Leprechaun~
jaeharys targaryen
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IW has been around since the first day GW was out. nearly everyone has felt the need, and tried it. nearly everyone of that initial nearly everyone realized it sucked
IW is baed. put flail on your warrior, with a customized 15^50 axe and 12 mastery. compare your damage to:a flurried IW with 12 spec in illusion. consider the damage. then conider you used a strippable elite to do the same or less damage than just using a native warrior weapon
Simath
Warrior + IW = terribad
End of discussion.
End of discussion.
RotteN
a warrior does more damage without it, so what's the point ?
Plus IW can actually be stripped off, which suddenly puts you with no damage at all for the next 20ish seconds ...
just remember : new ideas can be fun and all, but some of those "new" ideas aren't new at all, and when everyone says it sucks, maybe everyone else might just be right ...
Plus IW can actually be stripped off, which suddenly puts you with no damage at all for the next 20ish seconds ...
just remember : new ideas can be fun and all, but some of those "new" ideas aren't new at all, and when everyone says it sucks, maybe everyone else might just be right ...
Prof Of Black
A warrior does much more damage then IW 
, so I dont see a point in using it.
~Prof.
, so I dont see a point in using it.~Prof.
Stormlord Alex
IW is already baed on mesmers.
... it's worse on warriors that can actually deal damage with their weapon.
Only real use for it is in some farming build, but... This is the wrong forum for that.
... it's worse on warriors that can actually deal damage with their weapon.
Only real use for it is in some farming build, but... This is the wrong forum for that.
iridescentfyre
If you want to be creative and different, that's fine... just don't do it at the expense of usefulness. Its better to be skilled and well-practiced with a good, established build than just using a shitty build for the sake of diversity.
Case in point, Illusionary Weaponry does 34 damage at [a W/Me's max of] 12 Illusion Magic. For comparison, Dragon Slash does base damage + 34 (the 34 IS armor-ignoring) at a ridiculously low 12 Swordsmanship (+42 at 16). It also powers useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail. That is the reason people here are "stubborn" and "unready to try something new…" no one wants to different if it means being inferior.
Case in point, Illusionary Weaponry does 34 damage at [a W/Me's max of] 12 Illusion Magic. For comparison, Dragon Slash does base damage + 34 (the 34 IS armor-ignoring) at a ridiculously low 12 Swordsmanship (+42 at 16). It also powers useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail. That is the reason people here are "stubborn" and "unready to try something new…" no one wants to different if it means being inferior.
Turbobusa
when you can dish the same using you weapon AND lock your target with shock/bulls strike, I don't see why you would want to bring IW and be easily kite-able.
mog wai
Yes IW sucks on this Forum as well 
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Stormlord Alex
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Yes IW sucks on this Forum as well .
funnily enough, it also sucks in Guild Wars... coincidence? Fate? ... or... IW is bad?
Hmm...
Don't worry, Mog Wai... I do my best to keep idiocy under control over here
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funnily enough, it also sucks in Guild Wars... coincidence? Fate? ... or... IW is bad?Hmm...
Don't worry, Mog Wai... I do my best to keep idiocy under control over here
martialis
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thor thunder
yeah i know what you guys are saying. I not saying IW is ELITE! but in sertin senerios its enetertaining, Im a huge fan of the w/0 class i WOULD NEVER RUN IW IN A GROUP that would just be stupid i can see that when i read the skill but im talking about comeing up with a creative build for it against blinding or blocking targets with high armor i would use a mesh but i dont like that class armor style, so i was trying to find a way to use IW on my warrior.
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Case in point, Illusionary Weaponry does 34 damage at [a W/Me's max of] 12 Illusion Magic. For comparison, Dragon Slash does base damage + 34 (the 34 IS armor-ignoring) at a ridiculously low 12 Swordsmanship (+42 at 16). It also powers useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail. That is the reason people here are "stubborn" and "unready to try something new…" no one wants to different if it means being inferior. True till you run into a blinding sorcerer then your just dead lol.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by thor thunder
True till you run into a blinding sorcerer then your just dead lol.
Hi, I'm a monk. I use condition removers so you don't have to use a shit build. Srssly.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by thor thunder
Or if you simply must, [skill]Mending Touch[/skill]
Regardless, there's always going to be a counter to you. That's the nature of Guild Wars. It doesn't mean you need to run a shitty build just because being blind freaks you out so much. You can still counter an IW Warrior with Curses/Illusion/Domination hexes. Does that mean you have to take another pointless skill to deal with those, too? Just accept your weaknesses and learn to be good at managing them.
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Originally Posted by martialis
He gives the reasons, but he doesn't say what they mean. If you want to use useful adrenaline skills like "Watch Yourself!," "Save Yourselves!," and Flail, then use a normal build. If not, then go ahead and use IW, it makes no difference.
I should not need to have elaborated on what I said at all. What I was pointing out was that Dragon Slash offers the same damage scale as IW, and since its a primary class attribute you aren't stuck at 12. Furthermore, it offers the same armor ignoring damage as IW ON TOP OF the base damage of your sword, critical hit chance and all. And if all that weren't enough, the entire Dragon Slash build powers an entire host of extremely useful skills that benefit your group.
thor thunder
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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
Or if you simply must, [skill]Mending Touch[/skill] Regardless, there's always going to be a counter to you. That's the nature of Guild Wars. It doesn't mean you need to run a shitty build just because being blind freaks you out so much. You can still counter an IW Warrior with Curses/Illusion/Domination hexes. Does that mean you have to take another pointless skill to deal with those, too? Just accept your weaknesses and learn to be good at managing them. I should not need to have elaborated on what I said at all. What I was pointing out was that Dragon Slash offers the same damage scale as IW, and since its a primary class attribute you aren't stuck at 12. Furthermore, it offers the same armor ignoring damage as IW ON TOP OF the base damage of your sword, critical hit chance and all. And if all that weren't enough, the entire Dragon Slash build powers an entire host of extremely useful skills that benefit your group. |
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Hi, I'm a monk. I use condition removers so you don't have to use a shit build. Srssly.
Can your read? i mean i put it in bold for you and everything.. I guess il just sadly repeat I WOULD NOT USE THIS SKILL IN A GROUP that would just be stupid. get it now?
I know there are counters but they have cooldowns and its boring spaming them away. Im not talking about useing this skill in general use, i want a specific build that works with it to farm sertin areas.. like oh the titans! not like there was a build made for that already =O , o man thats blashemy.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by thor thunder
Can your read?
Sure, I can read. Can your?
I don't know why you're getting upset, you asked our opinions on why its unpopular, I'm explaining why. The only [extremely vague] mention to farming builds in your original post is when you randomly placed "(SOLO)" at the end of a sentence. For farming purposes, I've never heard of it used. I've given a cursory glance to the Farming boards, and PvXwiki and they don't have IW farming builds mentioned. Do you have somewhere in mind for it to be used? Where would using it be preferable to using other Warrior farming builds, or just going Me/W for IW?
majiger
I say that IW with a warrior is pretty cool. I usually use it in TA or sometimes in RA. Because if you start fighting against all the reg melee counter (blind, hexes, yada yada, hexes still hurt T.T) you usually dont stop doing dmg. Ex. you get blinded usually u keep hacking away while pinging to your monk, "I have Blind on me!" and they either dont have condition removal(dont know why) or you dont even have a monk. With IW tho you can continue to keep doing dmg.
Also the upkeep and enrg problems...well I can get 60enrg on my warrior no problem, use either Rajazan's fervor or Totem axe (or another caster perf weapon) + Illusion off hand, I like to have +15erng -1regen, and have ur energy insignias and some attunment runes, with just full enrg insig, +5enrg weapon, +12enrg focus with +15 -1, you get 59enrg...switch to inspiration magic instead of tactics and take enrg tap, Ether feast, and ether signet or not even use inspiration and use Kitah's Burden, you get your foe moving real slow so you can catch up to him and when it ends u get 20enrg. Ex build would be like: IW, Kitah's Burden, shrinking armor, an ASPD, sprint, Heal sig/Lion's comfort, Body Blow, and res sig Attributes would be something like 9 str, 8+1 Sword or axe, 12 illusion. Having the mastery lets you dmg even without IW and the shrinking armor increases your dmg(only on non-caster classes.) btw i never tried that build above, i just made something up on the spot. But it is really fun, if you don't care for dmg but feel like messing around its fun. Whiskeyjack
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say that IW with a warrior is pretty cool. I usually use it in TA or sometimes in RA. Because if you start fighting against all the reg melee counter (blind, hexes, yada yada, hexes still hurt T.T) you usually dont stop doing dmg. Ex. you get blinded usually u keep hacking away while pinging to your monk, "I have Blind on me!" and they either dont have condition removal(dont know why) or you dont even have a monk. With IW tho you can continue to keep doing dmg.
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But it is really fun, if you don't care for dmg but feel like messing around its fun
You realise that damage is basically a warriors purpose dont you? If you are usng a build that bad you are basically handicapping your team, it's a form of griefing in my eyes.
majiger
Meh, ppl in pvp (RA and TA) are way to serious with the playing... where is the old pvp where people were just trying out builds they are messing around with?
And actually I do play IW with a war, that specific build is just made up but i think it MIGHT, its like 40%chance of failing, work. Whiskeyjack
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Meh, ppl in pvp (RA and TA) are way to serious with the playing... where is the old pvp where people were just trying out builds they are messing around with?
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And actually I do play IW with a war, that specific build is just made up but i think it MIGHT, its like 40%chance of failing, work.
Qualify "work", that build is epically bad. If i came across you in RA i would ignore you as you pose no threat whatsover. BTW it's more like a 100% chance of failing.
jaeharys targaryen
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Meh, ppl in pvp (RA and TA) are way to serious with the playing... where is the old pvp where people were just trying out builds they are messing around with?
because for every guy trying out legit, innovative, or atleast acceptable builds: | ([skill]vampiric assault[/skill][skill]nightmare weapon[/skill]) there are also 2 of these: [skill]illusionary weaponry[/skill][skill]signet of strength[/skill] there are 4 of these: [skill]vigorous spirit[/skill][skill]hundred blades[/skill] "I'm Weilding a sundering stygian reaver of defense and a destroyer shield of fortitude" there are also, (of course) 10 of these: [skill]shadow prison[/skill][skill]tiger stance[/skill] "what? i made it up myself, only nubs use wiki" (which is why Mr. Narutard has included expose defences, despite it sucking balls, right?) and 100 of these: [skill]vampiric bite[/skill][skill]dodge[/skill] sorry if we're bitter.
Bobby2
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Meh, ppl in pvp (RA and TA) are way to serious with the playing... where is the old pvp where people were just trying out builds they are messing around with?
It died with the people who didn't mind losing.
Magikarp
in the most constructive way possibly said, warriors deal far more damage than any IW anything could ever do, plus the energy would be staggering. focus on your damage output more than the conventiality of high armor+spells=spellsword uber1337.
Jetdoc
The only time I have ever used IW on a warrior was to create a gimmick build to beat another warrior 1 on 1 in my guild (i.e. the warrior used the standard Riposte build - very annoying).
R E Z E R
Nothings wrong with IW being used... 'correctly' but how exactly do you use it on a warrio... 'correctly'? you can do so much more damage without it... With IW you gain 0 benefits... The energy management on a warrior would also make it even suckier...
kainmodious
You realise that damage is basically a warriors purpose dont you? If you are usng a build that bad you are basically handicapping your team, it's a form of griefing in my eyes.[/QUOTE]
first. actually a warriors main purpose is defence(hence highest defence in game) second comes the damage. but a warriors main job should be to keep people at bay and still do damage. second. whats wrong with trying things out?. Im tired of the people (no offence to those of you here that think this.) that think there is only one build that will work. then it becomes a build that everyone must use or else they gimp. what happened to originality? creativeness? just my opinion
Stormlord Alex
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first. actually a warriors main purpose is defence(hence highest defence in game) second comes the damage. but a warriors main job should be to keep people at bay and still do damage.
Quite wrong.
The warrior's main purpose is as a damage dealer. They have the highest defense so they can extend into the enemy backline better than other melee classes, and deal real damage. It also stops them from blowing up whilst Frenzying (EDIT: ... not stop... but help stop. not being an idiot and Rush is the only real way to stop it) Warriors have just about the highest damage of any class, alongside Frenzy and some really nasty spikes (Evis + Exe is nearing 300 damage). Warriors kill shit.
Kale Ironfist
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second.
whats wrong with trying things out?. Im tired of the people (no offence to those of you here that think this.) that think there is only one build that will work. then it becomes a build that everyone must use or else they gimp. what happened to originality? creativeness? just my opinion
Because this kind of originality makes you a bad Warrior. You're doing less damage than if you didn't take a crap elite. Don't be a bad Warrior.
Bowstring Badass
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funnily enough, it also sucks in Guild Wars... coincidence? Fate? ... or... IW is bad?
Hmm... Don't worry, Mog Wai... I do my best to keep idiocy under control over here
Indeed you do. 
=DNC=Trucker
I would use IW if it did a tad more damage and it was a weapon spell rather than an ench (too easy to strip and render a player useless). It used to be ok DPS wise with an increased attack speed back in prophecies, but now there are so many powerful builds this is one that got left in the dust.
Crom The Pale
IW does have its uses. I like to run it in the desert in Tyria since most all the rangers there use throw dirt and the Whiptails and Losaru use blocking.
You do have to run other skills with it to keep your effectiveness up, such as and IAS and Leech signet for interupts and Conjure Phantasm for some fast degen. This is a very high energy build for a war but skills like Eather Signet can help, you probably don't want to ask a necro to bip you but having a hero do it between mobs is fine.  As for those that scream about bringing a condition removal, keep in mind that 3 eles can keep spaming blind non stop, all you will be doing is remove conditoin/be blinded again/wait for skill recharge/remove condition/repeat..... Being armor ignoring it can deal nice dmg to foes with high armor such as the desert wurms. This is not the best build in most circomstances but it is effective at countering blind, blocking and high armor. That makes it a useable skill in my oppinion.
blue.rellik
Only time I would use IW is on a caster for fun, never seriously. If I wanted to use it on a warrior then I would use it in a environment where everyone knew it was for giggles
DokkyDok
I would use IW if I had just watched a Star Wars movie, and were still geeking out.
iridescentfyre
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second.
whats wrong with trying things out?. Im tired of the people (no offence to those of you here that think this.) that think there is only one build that will work. then it becomes a build that everyone must use or else they gimp. what happened to originality? creativeness? just my opinion
I'm all for creativity. However, that creativity must be measured against pragmatic usefulness. If your "creative" build doesn't measure up to other possibilities, its not worth using. Its a self-imposed handicap to not only yourself, but to your whole team. In my opinion, its much better to be original by being extraordinarily good at using a "cookie-cutter" build than to use a skill bar that sucks for the sake of being different.
??Ripskin
Eviscerate on a pve creature=100+ something damage. Add in a few more axe skills and boom, you're doing a constant 40-50 damage hits every couple seconds. Then 100+ after that.
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