Looks like another skills balance (Nerfs) coming, more hits on the Rits

same here __

[quote=Zinger314]I'm more concerned that Izzy is implying that he plays TF2 more than the game he gets paid to maintain.quote]

Ding we have a winner!

I believe a series of Mesmer skills got changed so Mesmers became useless in PvE, which some people still believe.

I would rather see a Fast Casting Mesmer take down a mob with Fire Magic then an Illusion Mesmer casting half their build to degen 1 enemy.

I don't see any PvE skills on that list. Are you fakeposting to start a flamefest?

People who complain about mesmers sucking apparently have never played them.

If they want the game to be fair and equal in PvP and PvE it is quite simple. Make sure all classes have only skills that take the same amount of time to cast, same amount of energy to execute, deal the same amount of DPs, and prevent the same amount of damage. Then the nerf bat can rest silent forever. The only other answer at this point is get PvP out of our PvE game. They already get the most favored treatment status in skills and item stat acquisition. The can choose multiple appearances and armors at will and never have to acquire dye for anything. Then they bitch because we want our PvE game left alone.

Who gives a crap about PvP areas except PvP addicts. No, screw them. I get pissed everytime I see the Foe AI run from AoE before it even RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing hits while H/H are not allowed to move until they are half dead. I can still remember the aesthetic beauty of a Platoon of Minions, instead of these little team and squad things we are permitted now. Why is it gone? - "O dear, they like something in PvE, we must destroy it." And yes, I typically run three monks in an 8 man team, whether I am monking, henching, or working in a live party. I got to be subject to Seed of Life once, and then BAM, the Nerf bat swings and I Will Never Use that RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid watered to uselessness pathetic piece of garbage for a Sunspear can't possibly ever affect PvP skill. But why should a Sunspear Skill be effective or have value to a Sunspear? Hell, we don't care about no story ambiance here. After all, it is only PvE - screw PvE right?

Have the damn thing. Supposed to beat Magni - it won't. Its a pain in the ass to maintain, and the only way to do so is to Leeroy with it for short intervals - then run and hide for a recharge. So, no it is not easy enough because it is not viable as a role played skill. But then what would PvP knowabout role playing outside of handcuffs in a closet? Ursan Blessing damn sure hasn't helped me heal anyone, nor does it express elemental magic, nor does it reflect Necrotic interest, - the only classes that it might fit with are Ra and Rt. But you know what Spirits spamming will beat Magni and the damned griffon - so once again we will destroy something the casual player could use to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing play the game.

and no I am not conciliatory on this issue! Ever. I am pissed enough with all the past garbage for PvP. Waa, we want as many arenas as PvE has explorable areas! Waa, we don't want to have to set foot in PvE to get our skills we want something special where we can get everything at once for all our characters and never have to pay for anything again. Waa, PvE cant benefit from this, unless they pay for it. Waa, we want special access to multiple skins that PvE has to pay 10s k for. Waa, we want all our skills to work X, RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO PvE. Waa, I lost my PvP match they have to be faggots! Waa, waa, waa - well RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO PVP!


And Spazzer, there Are no PvP only skills. They cannot balance a skill without RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing with PvE.

I find this to be a decent idea.

Roll back all the skills in the game to what they were and rebalance them from there. :O

Some people aren't above flamebait. Seconding the motion for a lock.

[edit] Rebalance to originals? 5s cast on Firestorm and a 0s recharge on Divine Boon will make you quickly want to reconsider.

Fixed.

12 characters.

Could we stop the PvP vs PvE thing? Ancestors' Rage and Splinter Weapon are overpowered in PvE. 130ish AoE damage with 5 cost, .25 cast, and 8 recharge....what in the entire game is even close to that? That beats a lot of elites.

Splinter Weapon has infinite potential. Let's assume hitting 3 targets with a scythe. That is about 200-250 AoE, armor ignoring damage for 5 energy, 1 cast, and 5 recharge.

They could use a little toning down, not butchering though.

I wish they never allowed Obsidian Armor for PvP Characters, if the PvP community want Obsidian Armor, they will have to work for it, and not guess on a Tournament and get easy points!

Dude, you don't know jack. Consumables are nice as a buff, but I have all of them and rarely even use them, but what difference does it make, consumables suck if your skills suck. The game is supposed to be fun, not a chore, you want a challenge for PvP, fight with no skills at all.

You know, some people on this thread have a point.

On the Izzy issue, there isn't one. I'm sure he does his job in his 'work time' and whatever the hell he wants to in his 'own time'. Ripping into the guy for saying he plays another game is pretty poor.

As for the PvP balances affecting PvE. A really tricky issue. Don't balance for PvP and it becames stale and effectively 'ruins' PvP. Balance for PvP and you generally nerf into oblivion a lot of skills used in PvE (a good skill is a good skill in PvE and PvP generally).

The PvE only skills that were introduced to soften the blow to PvE'rs have also been hit by the nerf bat without reasons being given, which is a tad rough. I expect there to be more PvE only skills to be hit this time around as well. Couple that with the PvP balance and PvE'rs are getting shafted twice, and not so much as a whiff of a dinner first.

More so than anything, milan, PvE-only skills have served to make players who argued for separate balancing feel vindicated. Rather than soften the bickering, it has intensified it.

Xunlai House is a crap, your hardly get any points and this month you couldn't even select some of the teams including the one that won.

Also you need 1800 reward points to get a full set of FoW for a PvP not that easy. (Even more so when I keep spending them on weapons )


This update better be soon block wars is getting quite boring.

Guys (and girls) remember: The monsters feel the effect of skill rebalancing too. (Well, apart from monster-only skills.)

Seems to be a few people here that think a nerf to spirit spamming will make it harder to beat the Cold As Ice griffon - but isn't that griffon so hard to beat precisely because it's a spirit spammer itself - and therefor likely to be hit by any such nerf just as hard as the players?

As for playing other games - as long as it's in their free time, I'd expect them to play other games, so they can access other sources of inspiration rather than simply stagnating in their own juices.

Yes you're right. I know jack. What was I even thinking?

If your skills suck then maybe you're just not playing right? I'm not implying you're a crappy player by any means but maybe you're just not using viable builds. I have no problems going through PvE with ease and fun. Your logic just makes no sense. Fight without skills in PvP? WTF does that have to do with anything?

TF2 is a greatly balanced game, with great team based gameplay and unique and fun classes to play.

Guild Wars can learn a lot from it!

Territorial Control and Capture maps can work quite well in AB type situations.

"Assassin's zapping my spirit!!!"

This thread = Why Anet should never, ever, listen to anything said on GWO.

That griffon is difficult (*cough*) because it is a solo fight. If it had a single healing spell (eg. Spirit Transfer), it would be impossible to beat it.

OMG HE PLAYS TF2 IN HIS FREETIME ALL THE TIME WHAT SHALL WE DO?!?!?!?!

You seriously sound like you think Izzy plays TF2 while he works. LOL!! It's not irresponsible at all.

hes observes pvp?

In the words of the great Heavy Weapons Guy..

"Cry some more! BWAHAHAHA!"

It's not like Izzy's playing TF2 on the job or anything..

So you're saying they shouldn't listen to you and what you just posted?

I like where this thread is goin'!

TF2 is balanced because there isn't really much to balance. Give all the classes in that game as many different weapons as there are skills in GW, and then compare the two.

Well, more nerfs. Possibly there will be some buffs if Izzy can find time for them. Wait and see.

Problem is, each round of nerfs further erodes the player base, and that is not a healthy situation if ANet seriously intends to produce a GW2.

do you even think before you post your useless PVP flamefest? notice how EVERY ONE of the items I hinted at and suggested too effect PvE in almost no way at all and will not change a damned thing. You felt the need to randomly throw out a bunch of useless mis-information and the need to bash PvP, while there are as many influences from PvE that can effect PvP gameplay such as heroes and the introduction of PvE oriented maps and win conditions into competitive PvP arenas, but yet when this point is brought up, you and everyone else thats a total and utter PvE carebear decides to just bandwagon against PvP because of the fact that the game balances revolve around PvP.

Guess what genius, its always been this way, and will always be this way. If this wasn't the type of gameplay that you were looking for, than perhaps you have invested way too much into a game that was ment to be centrally balanced around the PvP aspect of the game.

Now I have a big hankerin' to go try Team Fortress 2....

THANKS A LOT IZZY!#!@!@!

Won't regret it :D

It was never ment to be centrally balanced around the PvP aspect of the game, PVP was an afterthought.

My skills are fine, in fact I would give it all up, heros, consumables, PvE only skills, as long as all the nerfted items in GW were returned back to normal or better.

Ok, maybe saying you know nothing was wrong, sorry. But don't stand there and say PvE is cake, then say Anet make it more a piece of cake with extras, that may be true, but I should not be made to suffer for the minority of PvP players who could care less about skill balance as me. Izzy and those who regulate him are the asses here, they want diversity at the cost of the PvE community. Now I finally understand why so many MMO's have a monthly fee, if you screw your customers, your out of business.

RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing bullshit and you know it!

Everything I said was and remains 100% true. There is no misinformation in it. None. And nothing from PvE Effects PvP. Whatever PvP wants they get. If they didn't changes to provide variety they wouldnt have gotten them. But they cried for them so the got them. And no place in anything I read when the game was advertised from the time they started asking for Beta players did it ever say, "We are looking for a PvP centered game with a little story thing on the side for minimal fun and temporary enjoyment." The game was supposed to be balanced based on things working interactively for both equally - an experiment that has obviously totally Failed!

And WTF was with changing Seed of Life? Care to explain that one? Its so totally useful to get 20 to 40 health for 5 cost every 25 seconds. Wow, I am so impressed. Lets just dump Word of Healing and go with that. I wont ever need Orison again. Healing Seed just can't compare. Healing Breeze - what a has-been compared to the SS skill. But we damn sure need PvP skills balanced to the point of destroying PvE players.

Yes, I do know people who use some of those build bases in PvE. And then there are the quests, like this last Dragon Festival which were designed for PvP elite build teams, instead of casual players.

And then someone thinks the Glacial Griffon is going to be nerfed just as much as the players. So, what are they gonna do - take away his skill points? Sorry Glashe, we know you are 28th level, but you will have to give up 15 Atts per level since we couldn't keep your dissonance from disrupting, and you know we raised bloodsong up to cost 15 - so we are going to have to drop your energy level so you can't cast it. And btw - take this hitpoint reduction collar so you will be closer to a one on one fight with a 20th level. And yeah, since we said you don't have any ability to heal we will have to take away that boss status thing with the auto health regen and the elite skills. That will help you get nerfed enough to equal what we are doing to the PvE players so we can satisfy our PvP preferred customers.

No, I've heard complaints about normal mode being too hard with ursan blessing and consumables.

Stop talking about skill balances if you don't understand game balance or game mechanics at all.

Since I doubt anyone will listen to me when I say that, I will help you do so.

Locked.