But i was just wandering what exactly people class a Perfect Sheild to be as im looking to buy one. What Upgrades and req does it need to be.
THANKS.
What would be a "Perfect sheild"...?
Big-V
Im aware that a perfect sword is (REQ 9, 20/20, 15^50, +30 HP).
But i was just wandering what exactly people class a Perfect Sheild to be as im looking to buy one. What Upgrades and req does it need to be.
THANKS.
But i was just wandering what exactly people class a Perfect Sheild to be as im looking to buy one. What Upgrades and req does it need to be.
THANKS.
Tyla
IMO theres no such thing as a "perfect" weapon,as long as its suited to your build its my chosen
Big-V
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IMO theres no such thing as a "perfect" weapon,as long as its suited to your build its my chosen
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Squishy ftw
Most people consider a req 9 +30hp with -5/20% a perfect shield.
Personally, to me a shield is perfect when it's +30hp and -2/stance. Since I'm always in a stance.
Personally, to me a shield is perfect when it's +30hp and -2/stance. Since I'm always in a stance.
Tyla
in people opinions its:-5/20% +30hp req 9
placebo overdose
there are no perfect weps a perfect shield if there is one is gonna be what you perfer and max mods meet for the situation
IE:+10 vrs fire or such
and imo -5 20% is the worst in any situation cause there is almost always a better mod usually i go +30 just so i dont lose 45/60 unexpectedly if i know there is no stance/ench removal i might go -2/+45
IE:+10 vrs fire or such
and imo -5 20% is the worst in any situation cause there is almost always a better mod usually i go +30 just so i dont lose 45/60 unexpectedly if i know there is no stance/ench removal i might go -2/+45
Tachyon
I quite like my Ancient Shield. It's not perfect, but it's good enough for me.
Earth
The perfect weapon set all depends on your build and your style of play. There's not a real perfect weapon for every build, although 20/20, 15^50 and +30 is considered perfect for melee weapons, and -5/20 for shields, it depends on your build. If I run Triple Chop, a 1/-1, 15^50 +30 will be better than sundering.
Burst Cancel
If you're talking about for selling purposes, it's +30hp, -5/20%, req9.
If you're talking about actually using it, it depends. However, 5/20 is almost never the best choice.
If you're talking about actually using it, it depends. However, 5/20 is almost never the best choice.
Dante the Warlord
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Originally Posted by Squishy ftw
Most people consider a req 9 +30hp with -5/20% a perfect shield.
Personally, to me a shield is perfect when it's +30hp and -2/stance. Since I'm always in a stance. |
Really, +30 -5/20 isn't that great, although i own one, its usually when dealing with mesmers or knockdown that i use the shield. -45/-2 while enchanted is my personal favorite since i can use it with live vicariously and have it on me permanently.
Funny enough im getting too lazy to cast live vicariously an stick with my mallyx's courage XD... v_v
Squishy ftw
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If you are always in stance id suggest a +45 in stance/-2 in stance shield ;-)
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IMO-> constant +30hp > situational +45hp
Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by Big-V
Im aware that a perfect sword is (REQ 9, 20/20, 15^50, +30 HP).
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For shield its 30hp 5/20
Pure Trex
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
in people opinions its:-5/20% +30hp req 9
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Malice Black
+30/+10 vs xx condition
People who wield Sundering swords of Fortitude use -5 (20%)
People who wield Sundering swords of Fortitude use -5 (20%)
Vickie
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Technically perfect is req 7,8 but thats ok.
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Viruzzz
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Technically perfect is req 7,8 but thats ok.
For shield its 30hp 5/20 |
and req 7 or 8 certainly doesn't make a sword better. if you are running with 7 or 8 sword mastery on a sword-dependant build then you are doing something wrong.
most of my weapons are req 10, since it makes no difference when you have 12+ mastery.
and it cuts so much off the price.
in my opinion req 7 & 8 is worse than req9, because it adds to the price but not to the performance.
For shields -5/20% is worse than almost anything else you can get, extremely unreliable in any situation.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Big-V
Im aware that a perfect sword is (REQ 9, 20/20, 15^50, +30 HP).
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In my opinion, -2 (in stance) +30hp is the best option. However if you're the sort who thinks a perfect weapon includes 20/20 Sundering, I'm sure the shield you're looking for is -5(20%) and +30hp.
CHunterX
Perfect Shield:
Requires 9 attribute
Inscription slot
+30 Health
As long as it has an inscription slot, its perfect.
Requires 9 attribute
Inscription slot
+30 Health
As long as it has an inscription slot, its perfect.
MirkoTeran
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As long as it has an inscription slot, its perfect.
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Zamochit
If you are talking about an inscribable sheild the +30 health is pretty much accepted as the best sheild handle available, the only real pve based objection to this rule is for runners, who are often constantly in a stance, for whom the +45 stance sheild handle is often preferable.
The inscription itself is a lot more dependant on the build you are using and the enemys you are facing. To put things in perspective -5(20%) is the equivalent of -1 unconditional (physical damage) per hit. If you consistantly use stances a -2 stance inscription will be twice as effective as -5(20%) would be.
A plus 10al vs XX sheild is great for when playing in a specific area where the enemys all use the same damage type; as it is (I believe) the equivalent of -4 damage per hit, this damage is obviously not limited to physical as is the case with the stance reduction and unconditional reduction. These sheilds obviously are less effective in mixed mobs.
I feel that condition reduction on sheilds is often overlooked, blind reduction (especially in conjunction with a blind reduction rune) can be very effective on melee classes. This is what I use on my paragon atm, as I find blind is the only real problem I face.
I personally have a full set of +10 vs sheilds for my monk. I got them from a collecter in eotn as they already come with the +30 which saves a lot of cash. Well worth having imo.
In pve the "Best" sheilds are actually the +10 vs Creature specific sheilds, usually the enemys in one mob are the same creature and the +10 al you recieve will be regardless of the class of the enemy. For example a +10 vs dwarves shield +30hp in sorrows furnace = ownage.
Sadly these cannot be replicated with inscriptions, and the only easily available ones are the +10 vs Charr sheilds which can be crafted at the Eye of the North (with at least rank 4 vanguard unlocked)
The inscription itself is a lot more dependant on the build you are using and the enemys you are facing. To put things in perspective -5(20%) is the equivalent of -1 unconditional (physical damage) per hit. If you consistantly use stances a -2 stance inscription will be twice as effective as -5(20%) would be.
A plus 10al vs XX sheild is great for when playing in a specific area where the enemys all use the same damage type; as it is (I believe) the equivalent of -4 damage per hit, this damage is obviously not limited to physical as is the case with the stance reduction and unconditional reduction. These sheilds obviously are less effective in mixed mobs.
I feel that condition reduction on sheilds is often overlooked, blind reduction (especially in conjunction with a blind reduction rune) can be very effective on melee classes. This is what I use on my paragon atm, as I find blind is the only real problem I face.
I personally have a full set of +10 vs sheilds for my monk. I got them from a collecter in eotn as they already come with the +30 which saves a lot of cash. Well worth having imo.
In pve the "Best" sheilds are actually the +10 vs Creature specific sheilds, usually the enemys in one mob are the same creature and the +10 al you recieve will be regardless of the class of the enemy. For example a +10 vs dwarves shield +30hp in sorrows furnace = ownage.
Sadly these cannot be replicated with inscriptions, and the only easily available ones are the +10 vs Charr sheilds which can be crafted at the Eye of the North (with at least rank 4 vanguard unlocked)
CHunterX
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Strange, as I would say the other way around.
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Pure Trex
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Originally Posted by Viruzzz
Technically nothing is EVER perfect, can always be better
and req 7 or 8 certainly doesn't make a sword better. if you are running with 7 or 8 sword mastery on a sword-dependant build then you are doing something wrong. most of my weapons are req 10, since it makes no difference when you have 12+ mastery. and it cuts so much off the price. in my opinion req 7 & 8 is worse than req9, because it adds to the price but not to the performance. For shields -5/20% is worse than almost anything else you can get, extremely unreliable in any situation. |
CHunterX
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So if -5/20% is bad what wud be a good replacement?
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Crom The Pale
I am a big fan of the +10 Armor vs X mods for shields and run +30hp on all of mine.
Its simple enough to carry 4+ shields and quickly switch to the mod best suitted to the foes your facing.
In GW:EN most of the norn maps feature lots of ice monsters so the +10vs ice dmg is great and I can swap to piercing vs rangers or blunt vs junton.
+10 vs char is nice.
In the end you really will never come across a single shield that is perfect in every situation.
While I have to dissagree that -5/20% is the worst possible mod for a shield, I had a +1 soulreaping mod on a Tyrian shield, it is not very effective simply because its a random chance and only works vs physical dmg. Wars tend to take more dmg from elemental sources than physical.
Its simple enough to carry 4+ shields and quickly switch to the mod best suitted to the foes your facing.
In GW:EN most of the norn maps feature lots of ice monsters so the +10vs ice dmg is great and I can swap to piercing vs rangers or blunt vs junton.
+10 vs char is nice.
In the end you really will never come across a single shield that is perfect in every situation.
While I have to dissagree that -5/20% is the worst possible mod for a shield, I had a +1 soulreaping mod on a Tyrian shield, it is not very effective simply because its a random chance and only works vs physical dmg. Wars tend to take more dmg from elemental sources than physical.
Horseman Of War
actually the req 7s and 8s arent really perfect.... theyre more of a bug lol
I dont think 7s have dropped since the first few months of GW, and i havent gotten a req 8 drop since the early days of Factions myself...
But anyways, if you want a shield that can be pretty good in any situation go with the -5/20 +30. What you really want to do is build up your shield collection to include any option... +10 vs elemental or slashing/piercing is always good. Im also one to say +30 unconditional is better than +45 conditional hp.
I dont think 7s have dropped since the first few months of GW, and i havent gotten a req 8 drop since the early days of Factions myself...
But anyways, if you want a shield that can be pretty good in any situation go with the -5/20 +30. What you really want to do is build up your shield collection to include any option... +10 vs elemental or slashing/piercing is always good. Im also one to say +30 unconditional is better than +45 conditional hp.
Cammy
The perfect shield:
r7 Tactics
AL 16
+30 HP
+10 dmg vs. X
Get 1 for each dmg. type + a 20% cripple mod and you'll be set.
Not to mention broke T_T
r7 Tactics
AL 16
+30 HP
+10 dmg vs. X
Get 1 for each dmg. type + a 20% cripple mod and you'll be set.
Not to mention broke T_T
Savio
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actually the req 7s and 8s arent really perfect.... theyre more of a bug lol
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So if -5/20% is bad what wud be a good replacement?
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as it is (I believe) the equivalent of -4 damage per hit
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Div
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Originally Posted by Viruzzz
in my opinion req 7 & 8 is worse than req9, because it adds to the price but not to the performance.
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Crom The Pale
To be exact a caster is much better off with a 8 armor shield with 0 req and an inscription slot thus allowing for 30hp and a +10armor vs X to be used with out having to move any attributes or take war/paragon as a secondary proff.
Hailey Anne
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Originally Posted by Viruzzz
Technically nothing is EVER perfect, can always be better
and req 7 or 8 certainly doesn't make a sword better. if you are running with 7 or 8 sword mastery on a sword-dependant build then you are doing something wrong. most of my weapons are req 10, since it makes no difference when you have 12+ mastery. and it cuts so much off the price. in my opinion req 7 & 8 is worse than req9, because it adds to the price but not to the performance. For shields -5/20% is worse than almost anything else you can get, extremely unreliable in any situation. |
Ministry Of Peace
req 7 tac bladed shield +10 AL vs earth, +1/20 fire magic
rwt2006
A perfect shield would have no req. a tormented shield skin or something just as rare. and perfect mods it would also block every single attack 100% of the time. but that doesn't exist. Let's face it... mod wise you can go get a -5 20% +30hp at a crafter. your pretty much paying for a skin if you don't buy it there.
Shadow_7
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It adds to the performance when you only have 7-8 attribute levels in that. For example casters taking shields with req7-8 tactics. It's much easier to 4-way spec and meet a req7 or 8 shield than a req9 one (12-8-8-7 spec vs something like 12-9-8-5 or 12-9-7-6)
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
To be exact a caster is much better off with a 8 armor shield with 0 req and an inscription slot thus allowing for 30hp and a +10armor vs X to be used with out having to move any attributes or take war/paragon as a secondary proff.
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To me a perfect shield is one with perfect mods and is the best one for the situation you are going to encounter.
Quaker
It really depends upon who you're talking too, or who's doing the talking.
For most of the "1337" players, the req9,20/20,15^50,+30 sword and the req9,+30,-5/20 shield are "perfect" weapons.
Those who aren't so "1337" realize that it depends upon what you want the weapon/shield to do.
A more general term would be that a "perfect" weapon/shield would be one where all the mods on it are maxed and reqs are 9 or less. For example, a shield with req9,+45/-2 in a stance is "perfect", whereas req10,+44/-2 isn't.
For most of the "1337" players, the req9,20/20,15^50,+30 sword and the req9,+30,-5/20 shield are "perfect" weapons.
Those who aren't so "1337" realize that it depends upon what you want the weapon/shield to do.
A more general term would be that a "perfect" weapon/shield would be one where all the mods on it are maxed and reqs are 9 or less. For example, a shield with req9,+45/-2 in a stance is "perfect", whereas req10,+44/-2 isn't.