I'd like to ask a question regarding an auction I recently made in which I placed 1 in High End and one in Sell. However the items were similar and one was moved, but not stated in the auction. The thread was old, but with the notion that it would be closed, 2 of the items were moved from sell to high end.
Now heres a rule I came across that was made sticky. This rule seems to conflict with the reason in which both auctions were closed and I was temporarily banned. --->Take a look--->
"Active sell threads each user is allowed 1 active thread in the Sell section and 1 active thread in High End section."
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Heres a link to the sticky.---->
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10111529
Heres a link to my two banned threads.--->
Thread1.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...07#post3265407
Thread 2.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...93#post3273393
Notice how these two seperate auctions differ? One auction has more items than the second below and if you noticed the time difference in posts you could assume that either 1. Two items were moved or 2. The items are different.
But wait, heres a post from one retired moderator who moved an item to high end O_o?!?!!
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...hlight=Stuey+G
So hold on. I have to actually post~ Such and such an item is now being moved to such and such a place under this URL and so on and so forth?~
Okay now. Any suggestions, advice ect?
(Edited: Ventari's) mistake?
Jessica Deathsbane
Guildmaster Cain
OK, this is something else then your problem, but I also think the Ventari Mods are banning way too fast. The sucking part about it that you dont even have the chance to say something about it, since you are banned. You cant even defend your own.
About 1 week ago, I created a thread ' WTS Elemental Sword R10 and Chaos Axe R9'.
The Elemental Sword got 3 quick bids from persons, but at the same time (within 1-2 hrs after placement) I found a ingame buyer who offered 10k more then it was worth. So I accepted the ingame bid and replied in my own post saying I wasnt selling the elemental sword anymore. I figured this would be nice towards the would-be-buyers. The next day my thread got banned and I got a warning I was 'going to get banned from Ventari within a few days' (whatever they want with that). About 2 days later I got a total site ban from some mod who was too unimportant for me to remember his name. The total site ban said that I was banned untill the 11th of november. And here I am, on the 5th of november, posting my first reply while being banned?
Apparently some mods still hold me in their grace. Others just ban without thinking. I've had other warnings from the other-then-ventari-mods about posting too large images for instance. At least thats something I can work on and wont do wrong again, and they didnt have to ban me to understand it.
Back to the OP problem.
The rules state that you can not post multiple post in Ventari sections. I've expierenced, like you that it includes posting on different items as well, for reasons I cannot comprehend. I mean, YES it is logical you should not post multiple threads on the same item, since that would be spamming. In the Auction site (if it EVER gets fixed), this is possible without being banned, so why shouldnt those rules apply here too?
The only solution is to post a thread with all items that you want to sell, but that generally gets little attention.
To the mods that are reading this: Rules should be treated as guidelines, don't go for the Monthly Ban Record, cos it destroys Guru. If not, you might as well imply ban-bots, since they can do the same mindless job with the same results.
Technically, the OP has broken another rule here: he posted a link to his own threads to generate more attention. I think he should be banned.
I really dont care about getting banned, most of my post are here to help the community. If I get banned, I simply stop helping the community. In total, I have posted less then half a dozen Sell threads.
[email protected]: -only sell 1 item at a time and ask to close the item when it is sold (carefull not to ask for the close within 24 hrs after your last post, or u get banned for bumping)
-create a thread with multiple items, if you sell something, you need to reply in the original post, make sure that everyone reads the OP (which is not the case if they are bidding against eachother), or wait again 24 hrs after last time you posted. -.-
About 1 week ago, I created a thread ' WTS Elemental Sword R10 and Chaos Axe R9'.
The Elemental Sword got 3 quick bids from persons, but at the same time (within 1-2 hrs after placement) I found a ingame buyer who offered 10k more then it was worth. So I accepted the ingame bid and replied in my own post saying I wasnt selling the elemental sword anymore. I figured this would be nice towards the would-be-buyers. The next day my thread got banned and I got a warning I was 'going to get banned from Ventari within a few days' (whatever they want with that). About 2 days later I got a total site ban from some mod who was too unimportant for me to remember his name. The total site ban said that I was banned untill the 11th of november. And here I am, on the 5th of november, posting my first reply while being banned?
Apparently some mods still hold me in their grace. Others just ban without thinking. I've had other warnings from the other-then-ventari-mods about posting too large images for instance. At least thats something I can work on and wont do wrong again, and they didnt have to ban me to understand it.
Back to the OP problem.
The rules state that you can not post multiple post in Ventari sections. I've expierenced, like you that it includes posting on different items as well, for reasons I cannot comprehend. I mean, YES it is logical you should not post multiple threads on the same item, since that would be spamming. In the Auction site (if it EVER gets fixed), this is possible without being banned, so why shouldnt those rules apply here too?
The only solution is to post a thread with all items that you want to sell, but that generally gets little attention.
To the mods that are reading this: Rules should be treated as guidelines, don't go for the Monthly Ban Record, cos it destroys Guru. If not, you might as well imply ban-bots, since they can do the same mindless job with the same results.
Technically, the OP has broken another rule here: he posted a link to his own threads to generate more attention. I think he should be banned.
I really dont care about getting banned, most of my post are here to help the community. If I get banned, I simply stop helping the community. In total, I have posted less then half a dozen Sell threads.
[email protected]: -only sell 1 item at a time and ask to close the item when it is sold (carefull not to ask for the close within 24 hrs after your last post, or u get banned for bumping)
-create a thread with multiple items, if you sell something, you need to reply in the original post, make sure that everyone reads the OP (which is not the case if they are bidding against eachother), or wait again 24 hrs after last time you posted. -.-
Inde
Everyone, the rules will not be changing. It is NOT FAIR to all the sellers if we allow replies aka bumping in your threads or multiple threads. It gets abused. 80% of our moderating actions daily come form the sell forum from those who do not read the guidelines. You're post only stays on the front page of the section for an hour. If you think having us let up on the rules would be better you'd see your post there for only 15 minutes. I can not tell you how many first time posters don't bother to read any of the stickies and we see them bumping their post every hour. It's not a hard concept. 1 post each for sell and high end. You can edit your original post ANYTIME you want. You are allowed 1 bump/reply every 24 hours. The sell forums are not a discussion forum. If you want to talk to a seller or buyer you can feel free to PM them. Many even have their IGN listed.
Guildmaster Cain
Well just get that darned Auction system back online so I can stop bothering to even look at the accursed Ventari forum. 
Would save urself a lot of modding time. Dont misunderstand me, I totally agree people are not allowed to bump their own threads too soon. It would make the Guru servers probably very laggish.
Anyway, if youre into following the rules as strict as they are, you might as well write a bot-program that autobans people disregarding the rules. Don't forget to make a open forum in which even banned people can report unjust bans. This way you would seperate the Judge, Jury, Excecutioners part of moderators.
And while you're at it, integrate a pricewatcher to the green items section (and mods, inscriptions, tomes, pets, etc) of the Auction site.
But I guess I have the same chances as asking Anet for an Ingame Auction House, Cosmetics NPC or update for HoM.
Would save urself a lot of modding time. Dont misunderstand me, I totally agree people are not allowed to bump their own threads too soon. It would make the Guru servers probably very laggish.
Anyway, if youre into following the rules as strict as they are, you might as well write a bot-program that autobans people disregarding the rules. Don't forget to make a open forum in which even banned people can report unjust bans. This way you would seperate the Judge, Jury, Excecutioners part of moderators.
And while you're at it, integrate a pricewatcher to the green items section (and mods, inscriptions, tomes, pets, etc) of the Auction site.
But I guess I have the same chances as asking Anet for an Ingame Auction House, Cosmetics NPC or update for HoM.
unienaule
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Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain
Dont misunderstand me, I totally agree people are not allowed to bump their own threads too soon. It would make the Guru servers probably very laggish.
That's not it. It would make sell forums a matter of who can sit at their computer and bump their threads the most, with 99% of the posts being spammy bumps.
Rushin Roulette
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guildmaster Cain
Esample of a bad bot ban would be (posts are bolded);
WTS x Item
.... random bids
(23 hours and 45 minutes after the initial post)
Bump updated my OP with newest bids post more bids
[Automatic ban because of the 24 hour rule]
Nearly every single human mod will turn a blind eye to this because it really is only a few minutes, but bots cant differentiate between legit too early posts and spam bumps.
Another example of human mods being better (happened to me im afraid
)Bumped way to early because it was early in the morning and I wasnt thinking too straight
. I edited the new post I made explaining that I wouldnt bump at the normal time to compensate and PMd a mod aswell. In the end it didnt matter as the thread could be closed shortly afterwards anyways... but if a bot were active I would have gotten an automatic ban... not because of spamming, but because of noobiness/general early morning before coffee drowsiness.However the idea of an open forum (or at least one where mods have to aprove posts before being visible - because of the danger of 1000 adbots posting there a day) to refute bans is a great idea, and Id really like to see that happen. Although Id hope that I would never have to post there myself
.Edit: an autopruning system for the sales forums would be a great and simple way of reducing the forum size and therefor server lag. Any thread (with the exception of stickies) which hasnt been bumped in the last 30 days gets automatically deleted for example. Any locked threads dissapear after 30 days and any forgotten thread also dissapears. This would also make the work of the mods a little easier because they dont neeed to look for multiple open threads as stringiently.
Guildmaster Cain
Quote:
Originally Posted by unienaule
That's not it. It would make sell forums a matter of who can sit at their computer and bump their threads the most, with 99% of the posts being spammy bumps.
Hmm I think I wanted to say that people making 100x the same sell thread would make the server clutter. Anyways, rules are good to keep it viewable for people.
But in my case, the mod apparently didnt bother reading why I bumped my own post, he could have been more lenient. Tho it is a greyish are where a ban-bot would have banned me nonetheless. But human ban-mods can have bad days too, suppose their gf left them for another girl or something and they are a bit cranky...
If it is only allowed to have 1 post in a Ventari Forum, it would be nice to be able to delete your own threads. It is possible to delete posts, but not the OP. Or ability to close threads you have started yourself. Or maybe a spambot could abuse that and keep his thread on top, by repeatidly closing and starting new threads.
But in my case, the mod apparently didnt bother reading why I bumped my own post, he could have been more lenient. Tho it is a greyish are where a ban-bot would have banned me nonetheless. But human ban-mods can have bad days too, suppose their gf left them for another girl or something and they are a bit cranky...
If it is only allowed to have 1 post in a Ventari Forum, it would be nice to be able to delete your own threads. It is possible to delete posts, but not the OP. Or ability to close threads you have started yourself. Or maybe a spambot could abuse that and keep his thread on top, by repeatidly closing and starting new threads.
Malice Black
I read your post, took 0.01 seconds for me to know it was ban worthy.
Your post was an illegal bump. You got banned just like anyone else would have done. If you read the Ventari Rules it says no posts in your thread before the 24 hours is up.
You could have just as easily edited the OP.
Being lenient in Venatri's just means the whole forum goes wrong. Being tough is the only solution. If you don't agree with how its run, don't post there.
Your post was an illegal bump. You got banned just like anyone else would have done. If you read the Ventari Rules it says no posts in your thread before the 24 hours is up.
You could have just as easily edited the OP.
Being lenient in Venatri's just means the whole forum goes wrong. Being tough is the only solution. If you don't agree with how its run, don't post there.
Crimson Flame
I'm one of the new mods, but let me just add my two cents.
I don't ban if people post in their threads asking for a close. Such an action is counterproductive, and doesn't accomplish anything. But if you post half an hour after your original post to say an item has been sold, you're doing nothing but posting other peoples' threads down the page. I understand the first page is the place to be, but there are ways to get there within the guidelines. If you have items that people are interested in at the time, your thread will naturally be at the top. We don't limit the number of bumps you can put in, just that we only allow one per 24 hours. If we get lax, it's unfair to the sellers who follow the rules. I know I'd like to bump my post more often - my sales threads typically find themselves in the 5th or 6th page - but the fact of the matter is that I can't. If you have any questions about why you were banned or your thread closed, don't hesitate to PM the mod who dealt with your thread. It's not like we're inhuman jerks. Somebody's gotta police the forums, though.
I don't ban if people post in their threads asking for a close. Such an action is counterproductive, and doesn't accomplish anything. But if you post half an hour after your original post to say an item has been sold, you're doing nothing but posting other peoples' threads down the page. I understand the first page is the place to be, but there are ways to get there within the guidelines. If you have items that people are interested in at the time, your thread will naturally be at the top. We don't limit the number of bumps you can put in, just that we only allow one per 24 hours. If we get lax, it's unfair to the sellers who follow the rules. I know I'd like to bump my post more often - my sales threads typically find themselves in the 5th or 6th page - but the fact of the matter is that I can't. If you have any questions about why you were banned or your thread closed, don't hesitate to PM the mod who dealt with your thread. It's not like we're inhuman jerks. Somebody's gotta police the forums, though.
Yang Whirlwind
I'm another of the new mods - I totally agree with both Malice and Crimson - we have to draw a line in the sand somewhere or things will grow chaotic in no time!
If you sell one of the items in your thread - edit the original post! If you want your thread closed either delete the content and put in: "***Closed be seller***" or PM a mod and ask him to close it. Any other way and you bump a dead thread to the top - and that's counterproductive!
There are rules everywhere in the real world and (almost) everybody accepts that as being prudent,- it shouldn't be that hard to understand that the same is true here as well.
If any of you ever need to ask a question, etc. - we're just one click away!
Cheers!
If you sell one of the items in your thread - edit the original post! If you want your thread closed either delete the content and put in: "***Closed be seller***" or PM a mod and ask him to close it. Any other way and you bump a dead thread to the top - and that's counterproductive!
There are rules everywhere in the real world and (almost) everybody accepts that as being prudent,- it shouldn't be that hard to understand that the same is true here as well.
If any of you ever need to ask a question, etc. - we're just one click away!
Cheers!
Guildmaster Cain
[QUOTE=Malice Black]I read your post, took 0.01 seconds for me to know it was ban worthy.
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Must... not... comment... on that... *aaarrrrgh*
But it was wrong for me to reply in the post, on the other hand, who reads the original post if they are bidding on something they have bid before? Ofcourse I could have send a pm to the persons.
But it doesnt matter anymore, you wont see me back in Ventari as long as Auctions works. CYA!
Btw is it possible to delete your own OP now or has it always been possible?
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Must... not... comment... on that... *aaarrrrgh*
But it was wrong for me to reply in the post, on the other hand, who reads the original post if they are bidding on something they have bid before? Ofcourse I could have send a pm to the persons.
But it doesnt matter anymore, you wont see me back in Ventari as long as Auctions works. CYA!
Btw is it possible to delete your own OP now or has it always been possible?