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Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

05 Nov 2007 at 18:16 - 1

Since inscribeable items only drop in Nightfall and now Gwen it really takes away playing in Factions and Prophecies anymore for equipment/items. As those that drop in NF and GWEN will have inscribeable and focus items I can salvage out of them most often while Factions and Prophecies doesn't.

We still need something in Factions and Prophecies to equal to NF and GWEN when it comes to inscribeable equipment. So, my suggestion is that while weapons and items in Prophecies and Factions still won't have inscribeable or focus slots we can still SALVAGE the mods out of them to use in NF and GWEN? How's that sound? That way I could play in Factions and Prophecies in new areas and be able to salvage out the mods without ruining the value of antique weapons and items from those chapters. A Crystalline sword would never be inscribeable, but, one could still be able to salvage out all the mods on it.

I know we can salvage some things out of the Factions and Prophecies weapons/items, but, I would like to be able to salvage out as much in them as I can in NF and GWEN that is all. Like the +15^50's and +5 energy, all the inscribeables without leaving a slot to input something else on them. Just a nice salvage all chapters and expansion feature.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

05 Nov 2007 at 18:21 - 2

@Moderator
Can you change Insignias to Inscribeables instead for me in the Title? I always get them confused.
Thanks.

Phoenix Tears

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2007

05 Nov 2007 at 18:24 - 3

I say it straight, Anet is just to lazy to change this little thing on P/FA weapons, because they only work atm on "bug" killing and on GW2 ...

I doubt not, when they r finish with all that, that they will do anything further to improve GW1, little things like making the weapon system of all campaings the same

Sir Pandra Pierva

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sardelec yelling at Tenshi

Angels Of Strife

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05 Nov 2007 at 18:24 - 4

/semi signed

It's an ok thing I almost never really use inscriptions since you still can get freak drops in Proph

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

05 Nov 2007 at 18:27 - 5

Isn't it easy (and cheap) enough to simply by the inscriptions you want from other players?

There are very few inscriptions that exceed 5K, and the substantial majority of them can be had for 1K or less...

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

05 Nov 2007 at 19:04 - 6

I don't like buying things. I enjoy adventuring for them. If I wanted to buy things I might just as well buy gold online and just buy everything I wanted and forget adventuring. The game is about adventuring yah know?

I'd just like to be able to play all the Chapters and get near the same benefits as one vs the other. I'm not asking for inscribeable weapons/equipment in Factions and Prophecies, just the ability to salvage them out of those weapons/equipment and give me more areas to play in besides NF and GWEN.

JASON626

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/

05 Nov 2007 at 19:11 - 7

The Deep and Urgoz End mission chest drops Inscribable weapons.

Atra Culpa

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2007

Manchester, England

Servants Of Fortuna [SOF]

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05 Nov 2007 at 19:26 - 8

Everything implemented after NF had inscription slots. so all of GW:EN, the end of elite mission chests (Urgoz, the Deep, UW and FoW).

I figure it's a basic of changing the coding somewhere.

While i liked the luck of the draw before NF to identify a gold and see it's inherent mods, it does get frustrating when all you find are duds and merchant fodder.

Inscribables etc helped not only bring down market value of high end weapons but also helped everyone get the weapon with the mods they wanted.

Thinking about it though, most of the weapons available in Factions and Prophecies are available in either NF and/or GW:EN so it really wouldn't make a difference.

/half signed

Njaiguni Blaze

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB]

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05 Nov 2007 at 19:31 - 9

Get it right, it's inscriptions, not insignia's. And I guess that with focus you mean Focus Cores and Shield Handles.
These were a feature of GW:NF, it may or may have not made ppl buy GW:NF. Just like the material storage and elite missions being exclusive to GW:F. They already gave us the Insignias recently, and they'll probably do the same thing with Inscriptions and Cores/Handles. But, you've lost nothing, you only gained something in another campaign. They didn't screw over an old campaign, they just made more options(=better) in another campaign.
But, Onoz!!! Now you have to "abandon" a game to get something you want. Hell no! Inscriptions and Cores/Handles are available from every average player. Inscribable and moddable weapons are attainable from a simple Pile of Elemental Dust- or Beserker Horn collector. So what's the big frikking deal?

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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05 Nov 2007 at 19:37 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Njaiguni Blaze

But, Onoz!!! Now you have to "abandon" a game to get something you want. Hell no! Inscriptions and Cores/Handles are available from every average player. Inscribable and moddable weapons are attainable from a simple Pile of Elemental Dust- or Beserker Horn collector. So what's the big frikking deal?

/agreed

I just don't see the OP's logic, nor do I see the need for this request (though it is a happy medium between making Factions/Phrop drop inscribable items or not at all).

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

05 Nov 2007 at 19:40 - 11

/unsigned

This has been discussed many times. I don't think we need another thread about it.

greenreaper3

Lion's Arch Merchant

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ign: Cytherea of Athens

We Made Mallyx Tap [Out]

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06 Nov 2007 at 02:38 - 12

unsigned...price of these rare ass skins will go down...like gothic defender
gothic longsword...gothic axe....magma shield.....etc

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

06 Nov 2007 at 06:16 - 13

Some of you guys (namely greenreaper3 and MirkoTeran and Hawkofstupidity)didn't even read what I said. It would have no effect on the RARE SKINS if you could just salvage out the mods and keep the skins uninscribeable. Learn to read and comprehend. The RARE skins and those rare 15^50 rare skins would never change from what they are now. All I want out of the Prophecies and Factions items/equipment is to be able to salvage ALL the parts out of them like we can in NF/GWEN already. Not lower the value of the rare skin.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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06 Nov 2007 at 07:16 - 14

I see your point Red_Sonya. I know it wouldn't change uninscribable market. That's why I say its a really nice happy medium between the two sides of the inscribable/uninscribable arguement. All I'm saying is... why do we need these changes? Its not really neccessary.

People who disagree with you aren't neccessaryly morons.

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

06 Nov 2007 at 07:45 - 15

3 words. Anet is lazy. End of thread.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

06 Nov 2007 at 07:58 - 16

I'm confused. Do you not own GWEN or Nightfall? If you don't then what would be the point of salvaging those mods off your weapons in the manner you describe?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Like the +15^50's and +5 energy, all the inscribeables without leaving a slot to input something else on them. Just a nice salvage all chapters and expansion feature.

If you only have prophecies then this suggestion would do you no good since you couldn't socket the mods in other weapons. They would simply be trade goods and nothing more which hardly meshes with your later post about how you didn't want to buy things you wanted to adventure for them. If you have all the expansions then you can go get those mods and the skins you want and make whatever weapon your heart desires. If all you want is trade goods then you can adventure for those inscriptions all day long in NF or GWEN. I just don't see any logic to what you want.

thedeadlyassassin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Tualatin OR

N/A

A/W

06 Nov 2007 at 08:09 - 17

Well, I guess I'd have to agree here. Although, I don't mind it at all. It's been said, the price is about 3-5k max for an inscription, and are easy to obtain in NF and GWEN. If you think that proph and factions aren't worth playing because they don't have inscriptions... well... I donno what to say.

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

06 Nov 2007 at 08:16 - 18

@OP

The thread title does not make clear your suggestion to introduce inscriptions to Prophecies and Faction as well.

This said, I fully support that. Both chapters are pure retarded crap, this are the friendliest words I can find.

The "rare item" argument makes me cringe, as if the few perfect items owned by some guys that will never be seen 99,999% of the other players can make up for -everyone- getting craptastic loot in Factions and Prophecies.

/signed, plus asking the question if ANet is just lazy. That they still did not update Factions and Prophecies is something I cannot understand.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

07 Nov 2007 at 02:29 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Str0b0

I'm confused. Do you not own GWEN or Nightfall? If you don't then what would be the point of salvaging those mods off your weapons in the manner you describe?

If you only have prophecies then this suggestion would do you no good since you couldn't socket the mods in other weapons. They would simply be trade goods and nothing more which hardly meshes with your later post about how you didn't want to buy things you wanted to adventure for them. If you have all the expansions then you can go get those mods and the skins you want and make whatever weapon your heart desires. If all you want is trade goods then you can adventure for those inscriptions all day long in NF or GWEN. I just don't see any logic to what you want.

The reason I suggested this Strobo is because I want to be able to play in MORE than NIGHTFALL and GWEN to get INSCRIBLE MODS. I dont care about the weapons and offhands in FACTIONS and PROPHECIES, but, I'd like to be able to PLAY in more AREAS where I can SALVAGE EVERYTHING in EVERY CHAPTER.

As it is now if I want inscribealbe mods I HAVE TO PLAY IN NF or GWEN. With my suggestion I could play in ALL chapters and the boring repeated farming for these mods wouldn't be so boring as I could do it in ALL the chapters and not just a few places in NF and GWEN? Get the point now?

It's not about the SKINS of Factions or Prophecies at all. I just want to be able to PLAY there and get the MODS out of the weapons and offhands without ruining the values of the non-inscribeable items in either chapter.

It's the win/win suggestion for those that don't want rare skins to all of a sudden be in everyones hands with perfect mods. Yet, still allows EVERYONE who has ALL the chapters to be able to SALVAGE ALL the MODS out of them at least.

Njaiguni Blaze

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB]

Me/

07 Nov 2007 at 07:59 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

As it is now if I want inscribealbe mods I HAVE TO PLAY IN NF or GWEN. With my suggestion I could play in ALL chapters and the boring repeated farming for these mods wouldn't be so boring as I could do it in ALL the chapters and not just a few places in NF and GWEN? Get the point now?

So, you're saying that Anet forces you to play GW:NF or GW:EN? Because you can't get good weapons without those two? Gee, I wonder how Guild Wars must've sucked before GW:NF and GW:EN came out. I mean, you could never get a good weapon, even the weapons from the collectors were crap, right? WRONG! There was always a good oppertunity (spelling? ><) to get perfect weapons. You'd just have to turn in some trophies at some collector. As for the rare skins: making Kaineng Axes, Zodiac Weapons, Celestial Weapons etc inscribable DOES lower their price. If you find a req 9 Kaineng Axe, and the inherent mod is crap, like a +15 while hexed, you have a lower chance of selling it as if it were inscribable. Inscribable weapons don't have to drop perfect, they only need to have a good req, you slap on some upgrades which you got for peanuts and then sell a perfect weapon. Inscribable weapons would affect the prices of rare skin, there's no denying it.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

08 Nov 2007 at 00:01 - 21

Ahhh another idiot who doesn't read the whole post. It has nothing to do with the WEAPONS Njaiguni, just the MODS in those weapons. Next time read and comprehend before you make a stupid post like you did. You have no clue what this thread is about you just came in and started talking too much out your mouth.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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08 Nov 2007 at 00:44 - 22

Well you see Red_Sonya, I actually did read and understood your suggestion. I'm actually quasi for it (that is to say, I'm not against it). But then you didn't bother to read my post and insulted me (HawkofStupidity) for apparently not reading yours. Pot calling the kettle really.
You can't have constructive arguements if you just think people are idiots. Granted, some people like Njaiguni didn't read your post properly, but with all these people getting confused... maybe it has something to do with how the original post is structured?

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

08 Nov 2007 at 05:13 - 23

People not being able to comprehend something that is very easy to comprehend if you read the WHOLE POST isn't my problem it is theirs. There were more than a few who just read a few lines or even the topic an just went off on the RARE SKIN WILL LOSE VALUE tangent. I even said in the first post that these items wouldn't be inscribeable, but, that we could just salvage ALL the mods out of them. Now tell me how hard is that to comprehend? It isn't if you focus on the subject and don't let your mind wander off into la la land worrying about your precious rare skins vaLues.

Njaiguni Blaze

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB]

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08 Nov 2007 at 06:05 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

There were more than a few who just read a few lines or even the topic an just went off on the RARE SKIN WILL LOSE VALUE tangent. I even said in the first post that these items wouldn't be inscribeable, but, that we could just salvage ALL the mods out of them. Now tell me how hard is that to comprehend? It isn't if you focus on the subject and don't let your mind wander off into la la land worrying about your precious rare skins vaLues.

I don't give a flying duck about rare skins myself, but... You make little sense to me. Tell me, what other mods besides inscriptions can you not salvage off of GW:P and GW:F weapons (besides cores and handles)? NOTHING! So, what would change to those weapons? NOTHING? So, basically, you're asking for a Cleaver to become inscribable, but not a Kaineng Axe? And what is considered a rare skin? And... Nvm, you may think I'm wondering off, idc. It's just, it's a FEATURE of GW:NF and it was nothing moire than logic to include it in GW:EN. Inscribable weapons in GW:P and GW:F might happen, but I just prefer that they will not. This is a forum, I just gave my opinion, for the sake of discussion/personal opinion, what forums are all about.
Ktnxbai

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

08 Nov 2007 at 13:35 - 25

Once again another idiot Njaiguni I do NOT WANT INSCRIBEABLE weapons/offhands in Factions and Prophecies. I just want to be able to SALVAGE ALL the mods out of them. I can't believe there are so many idiots who cannot comprehend what I am asking for.

Let be baby walk you through the process. Weapon drops in Factions/Prophecies it has a 15^50 feature on it. Hey it's a Crystalline sword....I take out my salvage kit and I TAKE OUT THE 15^50 mod, but, I CAN'T EVER PUT ANYTHING BACK IN THAT SLOT EVER NEVER...get it now? Or do you need a picture book?

In other words there is only one process you could do in Factions and Prophecies and that would be to TAKE OUT, but you could NEVER PUT BACK IN. Get it? Comprende? I doubt it but I thought a picture would help.

Njaiguni Blaze

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB]

Me/

08 Nov 2007 at 14:45 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Hey it's a Crystalline sword....I take out my salvage kit and I TAKE OUT THE 15^50 mod, but, I CAN'T EVER PUT ANYTHING BACK IN THAT SLOT EVER NEVER...get it now? Or do you need a picture book?

That makes even less sense than your earlier posts did...

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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08 Nov 2007 at 16:45 - 27

Inscriptions Worldwide. That fixes it.

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

09 Nov 2007 at 01:43 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Njaiguni Blaze

That makes even less sense than your earlier posts did...

Wow you're even more moronic than I thought. You can't even comprehend what I'm saying. lmao

The whole idea is to KEEP RARE SKINS VALUE in Factions and Prophecies while still being able to salvage ALL mods out of them. As it is now you can't salvage 15^50 out of any skins in Factions or Prophecies. My suggestion while NOT ALLOWING INSCRIPTIONS would at least allow us to salvage out ALL the mods and then I could play more in FACTIONS and PROPHECIES since I would be able to salvage ALL the mods.

I farm for those 15^50 mods in NF and GWEN, I can't farm them in FACTIONS and PROPHECIES because you can't salvage them, I'd like to be able to salvage ALL mods in ALL chapter without ruining the value of those rare skins in Factions and Prophecies. It's the best idea ever and would make everyone happy. Those that like to farm and play everywhere and get the same value of FUN in ANY chapter and those that want to keep their RARE SKINS VALUES SAFE as it would not devalue them one bit.

Now, go back and take reading comprehension in oh the 7th grade I think.

Now of course someone said make all chapters have inscribeable weapons and items, but, if they did this YEAH it would RUIN the VALUE of RARE SKINNED PERFECT WEAPONS from Prophecies and Factions and I DON'T want that to happen.

At any rate I'm pretty sure, no, I'm adamant that ANET knows what I'm saying and suggesting here and that's all that really matters. There's no use trying to draw a picture for idiots who can't comprehend the idea. So, ANET how about it huh? Great idea yeah?

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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09 Nov 2007 at 02:12 - 29

Basically Njaiguni, Red_Sonya wants Factions and Phrophecies weapons to be inscribable only ONE way. Aka, you can take inscriptions off of them, but you can't add them on.

Njaiguni Blaze

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB]

Me/

09 Nov 2007 at 16:20 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Basically Njaiguni, Red_Sonya wants Factions and Phrophecies weapons to be inscribable only ONE way. Aka, you can take inscriptions off of them, but you can't add them on.

Hence I said it didn't make sense (to me). But anyways, it's either inscribable all the way, like Arkanere said, or not at all. Idc really.
Btw, no need to go insult me, it'll gain you nothing.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

09 Nov 2007 at 18:36 - 31

/signed

Vanquishing Tyria and Cantha was an exercise in futility when it came to loot. I merched dozens of worthless items with what would've been useful mods if they had dropped in Nightfall.

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

09 Nov 2007 at 20:10 - 32

im playing proph/factions more.. becuase i hate inscrptions.

there so cheap, and it doesnt take anything to get decent stuff anymore.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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12 Nov 2007 at 22:30 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by onerabbit

im playing proph/factions more.. becuase i hate inscrptions.

there so cheap, and it doesnt take anything to get decent stuff anymore.

That's the whole point of the system. And that's why it must be done.

With addition, of course, to allow some combinations that currently can't be made, like Flint's Focus.

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Nov 2007 at 22:41 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Basically Njaiguni, Red_Sonya wants Factions and Phrophecies weapons to be inscribable only ONE way. Aka, you can take inscriptions off of them, but you can't add them on.

Let's take it a step further. Make it so that you can't upgrade them, only salvage upgrades from them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onerabbit

im playing proph/factions more.. becuase i hate inscrptions.

there so cheap, and it doesnt take anything to get decent stuff anymore.

Same reason why I only use Prophecies skills when in Prophecies, Faction skills in Factions, etc. EotN would be hella lame if I used skills others than the ones provided in the expansion.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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12 Nov 2007 at 22:47 - 35

That's is not logical. It's like playing football with no footgear or making calculations without a calculator if you have one.

If you have a way to make things asier, you must use it. That's why they are not adding the 7 heros stuff, because people would only use that.

But once it's added, it must be used, if it's more efficient.

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

12 Nov 2007 at 22:53 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

That's is not logical. It's like playing football with no footgear or making calculations without a calculator if you have one.

If you have a way to make things asier, you must use it. That's why they are not adding the 7 heros stuff, because people would only use that.

But once it's added, it must be used, if it's more efficient.

I only use heroes in the campaign they come in. Which means only Olias in Proph, and only Zenmai in Factions. Using all heroes everywhere is cheap and doesn't take anything.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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13 Nov 2007 at 12:41 - 37

It's not cheap. It's logical. They are tools that exist to be used. When yo don't use a tool, their spirit becomes uneasy and sad.

All systems must be worldwide. Every build that can be done in PvP should be available in all campaigns. The battle isles are CORE, so Insignia and Inscriptions are core too, and they should be available in all campaigns.

Not using what is new... is... how could I say it... retrograde.

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

13 Nov 2007 at 14:42 - 38

I honestly wonder sometimes wether or not some of you are just playing along or really buying it.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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13 Nov 2007 at 17:57 - 39

At least I'm not talking about how the Illuminati will rule all over the world.

But it's true that do not using things that make things easier when you can and it's not against the rules it's plain senseless. What is more important is fairness. And it would be fair is all campains shared the same great system.

R F O X

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

NC USA

Acolytes of Anguish [aOa]

W/P

13 Nov 2007 at 18:05 - 40

/not signed

Because P/FA is the only way you can get weapons/shields/focus with req in one att. and mods for another att. on the same weapon which does come in handy sometimes