Armor *refund*

greenreaper3

greenreaper3

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

ign: Cytherea of Athens

We Made Mallyx Tap [Out]

R/

08 Nov 2007 at 01:14 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Croco Clouds
/notsigned, this will ruin the economy for sure. People will have max money in the storage and all characters if they don't spent money buying different armors.
its not RETURN AT ANYTIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

only for a while.. like after 30 minutes, you cant return it

*Edit by mod: Quit being a spaz*

Poqow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

08 Nov 2007 at 04:05 - 42
Theres no point in a refund if they just added some sort of preview like the dyes. I'd say that'd be a more efficient way of doing it.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

08 Nov 2007 at 04:12 - 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenreaper3
i wish they would make a return offer for ur armor... incase it isnt as good as u thought...

maybe not PERMANENT becasuse people would just get one set of armr and switch over and over...

but i saw a armor set on wiki, bought it, and it wasnt as good as the wiki pic made it seem...

maybe if u have to return it in within 10-30 minutes or else you can't...

this also removes the problem of double crafting

***edit***
lots of u seem to NOT read a certain part.. soo ill say it again


"MAYBE IF YOU HAVE TO RETURN IT WITHIN 10-30 MINUTES OR ELSE YOU CANT*



PLEASE READ!!!!!!!!
Double crafting sucks, sure.

But....you want to return your armor because you don't like the look, despite the fact that if you just go to some towns you will 99% of the time find the armor set you are looking for and se it ingame.

/notsigned

EDIT:
Your red faces and lack of maturity to deal with the fact that people don't agree with you is making me /notsign on principle alone.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

08 Nov 2007 at 11:53 - 44
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenreaper3
.... ...
Seriously is behaving like that and posting spam really going to make people appreciate your opinion and want to /sign this thread?

I seriously doubt it! You're not coming off as remarkably mature and you really just need to check what your buying before you buy it.

I would suggest a mod have a quiet word with this player and mention the definition of spam and how its not allowed!

Red Sonya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

08 Nov 2007 at 13:47 - 45
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenreaper3
i am sooo sick of double crafting an item/armor piece.. on accidnet



Then be more careful.
/notsigned for total laziness.
Lol I agree with this post and /not signed as well. Learn to watch what you are doing and quit being impatient and it won't happen no mo.

creelie

creelie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Alberta

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Mo/

08 Nov 2007 at 14:50 - 46
/signed

But it won't happen. Armor is a vital goldsink.

Coifmeister

Coifmeister

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Manchester

Artemis Faction

W/E

08 Nov 2007 at 14:56 - 47
Not read all the replies here so this may have been said b4 but...

Simple preview window? like with dye?

So you can see how your char is going to look with the armour on before you buy it.

Zev

Zev

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2007

08 Nov 2007 at 15:29 - 48
I like the idea mentioned before about using the preview window (now used for dyes) to preview the armor piece you are about to purchase.

I would also like to make a slightly off-topic idea. An NPC who acts just like the Festival Hat NPC, but for all armor art. You can't save insignias or runes, but you can save the piece. You can then re-purchase from this NPC at a lower price without the need for materials. Something like 1k for a piece. You can only save and craft max al armor from him. This is character based, not account based.

About the refund....while I want to agree (I have a 15k kurz that I wish I could get the 300k back from now...it's cool but its not worth the insane price tag for all the ambers). So within 5-10 minutes lets say you can return the armor piece for full price and mats. But you can't leave the zone or district for example. Something that is an accident counter, not a change of heart.

As much as I wish a change of heart feature would happen, it can't exist in a market economy like GW or even IRL when its a major purchase. *sorry, I really don't like this sports car anymore, can I have my money back?* ;D

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

08 Nov 2007 at 16:41 - 49
XXXD. No. Never.

I would agree with armor preview, but never with refunds. They are customized, once made, they are useless for the crafters.

KvanCetre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Madison Scouts

E/Mo

08 Nov 2007 at 17:14 - 50
Why not just include a way to see how the armor would look on you before you buy it?

KvanCetre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Madison Scouts

E/Mo

08 Nov 2007 at 17:16 - 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenreaper3
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG


READ!!!!!!

its not RETURN AT ANYTIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

only for a while.. like after 30 minutes, you cant return it

READ FFS
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Biography:
im a kid
Shocking revelation, I would have assumed with this behavior he was well over 18

TheRaven

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

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08 Nov 2007 at 17:22 - 52
/notsigned, but I'd definitely like to see a preview of my character in the armor before I buy. I bought a new chest piece for my warrior last month and it looked absolutely hideous on her. I just salvaged what I could from it and tossed it.

After all we get to try on clothes in the store before we buy.

2soon 2late

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/Me

28 Jan 2008 at 05:40 - 53
/signed
Is it the user fault you lag and accidentally buy the same armor twice uhh no.
And what is the talk with IRL comparison with gw armor, in real life if you buy something you dont like uhh let me see refund? All that matters in the end if the user is happy with the armor if no then just add the simple refund, and with the hom abuse I like that idea posted early about the armor must be dedicated so it can be shown at the hom

MirkoTeran

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

28 Jan 2008 at 10:35 - 54
/notsigned

Just be carefull when you craft and stop QQing about it.

Nian

Nian

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Finland

R/

28 Jan 2008 at 11:57 - 55
If you can get a refund there is no point in buying armor at all. You can just screenshot your chara in all the armors, return the money and then see what fits your chara perfectly and whatever it is you want. It's exactly because you can't be sure what it will look like on your char that makes it exciting and challenging in a way. You have to decide what you want and live with it. The whole point is that you can't go back on your initial decision. We already have a wiki which is a great source of information and pictures. Not all games even have that let alone choise between armor looks.

I just bought my para vabbian armor because I thought it would be pretty and it just doesn't look good on my para AT ALL. But that's my loss and I accept it. I'm always lagging and I have a pretty crappy GFX card to boot(always playing on worst settings) and if I ever buy expensive armor like FoW I really take my time with the clicks. I also once bought the 15k glad's helm for my warrior instead of 15k templars and I never noticed it until months later. It was totally my own fault and I didn't complain. I just salvaged it and bought a new one. I think it's a fun story to tell when you can honestly say you accidentally crafter 2 pairs of fow pants.

Now the confirmation button I have no opinion on but too much clicking gets on my nerves and it isn't even good usability. Like the rare material trading system. So you have to be careful where to use confirmation and where to not. Imho a game's most important asset is balance which means everything shouldn't be made "easy" to get and see nor publicly "available". It's prestigious because you CAN'T preview it but can only glimpse at it in outposts and screenies. I'm not sure wheter to agree that if you had all the mats and cash you could then preview it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by greenreaper3
READ FFS
If you can't behave or write properly you won't be taken seriously. Just because people don't agree with you and won't change their opinion for you does not mean they didn't read or understand your post.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

28 Jan 2008 at 12:55 - 56
Seriously though.. why need a refund?

All armour (except maybe Obsidian) is stupidly easy to save up for. If you're that much of a skin-flint then stop being so cheap. We have guildwiki.net too for screen shots of armour so you have no excuse to say you couldn't check before hand.

This really is just the cheap-skates being... cheap!

MithranArkanere

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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28 Jan 2008 at 13:50 - 57
Unlocking them to being able to craft them again later on for less gold: Yes.
Refund of any armor: Never. They are customized for you. A Crafter would never pay you for the few gold pieces or materials youcouls salvage them.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

28 Jan 2008 at 17:57 - 58
Thread necro

NamelessBeauty

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2008

Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI

Mo/

28 Jan 2008 at 18:02 - 59
Why did you make 2 posts of the same thing?

Anyway, return it then where is the timer? Anet gonna add another timer for this? Too complicated.

What I have in mind is that you can TRY out the armor itself. If you like it, confirm and pay. Else it will be just to show (Just as the one when you press "I".) But again, issues arise is that how about the mix combo of armor. I don't know lol! Don't be cheap I guess?

Craywulf

Craywulf

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

Righteous and Honorable (RAH)

N/Me

28 Jan 2008 at 18:13 - 60
The solution to this problem is a preview window, its a wonder why ArenaNet hadn't remedy this interface. I certainly hope GW2 has greater flexibility when it comes to fashioning armor to your character.

The notion of refunds is ridiculously anti-definite that a player can literally spend the whole game dealing with the armor crafter and never go out and battle. If you picked the wrong armor, its your own fault for not writing notes yourself.

WinterSnowblind

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

28 Jan 2008 at 18:41 - 61
Quote:
Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak
Whichever ones are reskins. Oh, I guess that's 90%?

As for refund. If you take your time crafting instead of trying to click as fast as possible, you won't have this problem.

Just check your inventory for the piece before attempting to craft the next.
Who cares if they're reskins? In my opinion, Eye of the North has the best armour sets of any of the games. For a few of the classes, it's the first time they've had any sets I've even remotely liked.

Good reskins are better than crap new models.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

28 Jan 2008 at 18:51 - 62
Actually, you can return armor back to the retail store you purchased it from as long as you have your sales receipt (and it still has the original sales tags on it) and you can show that it was never worn.

No receipt? No return.

credit

credit

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

Team Apathy [aFk]

W/P

28 Jan 2008 at 19:43 - 63
Don't see why anyone would need this, do more research or suck it up and take your losses.

/notsigned

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

29 Jan 2008 at 03:17 - 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenreaper3
but i saw a armor set on wiki, bought it, and it wasnt as good as the wiki pic made it seem...
I see your point, and I agree with you, because it makes sense, as long as it's like 10-30 minutes, except for the part I quoted. The wiki pic is an IN-GAME SCREENSHOT! It isn't photoshopped to look better, the way the armor looks in game is the exact same as the pics on wiki, wiki pics of armor are basically Polaroids of in game visuals.

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

29 Jan 2008 at 07:42 - 65
Better system when buying armour would be good, something like the character generation screen showing how the armour would appear on your character would be good.

Even then I would get bored jumping from armourer to amourer viewing them all so I just go look at all the images players have posted.
There are web pages showing all amours on all Male and female characters usually show different dye jobs too.

Sometimes we forget this game has been going for quite a few years now and the fan based resources are pretty good.

Before I started my Dervish and Paragon Characters I had already worked out what sex each would be and what armour I hoped to end up with.

arsie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

N/

29 Jan 2008 at 07:51 - 66
I would /sign a changing room/armour preview mode kinda like the dye preview mode.

While pictures of armour are on the Wiki, sometimes you wanna see how it looks with your skintone, face and hairdo. /vain

As for double crafting, stop playing while you're drunk. Everyone has done stupid things in games at 3am in the morning when their eyeballs are not in their sockets. Live with it. If it doesn't hurt, you won't learn your lesson, now would you?

Put a rune there for swapping, or whatever.

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Riding the spiral

W/

30 Jan 2008 at 00:45 - 67
/signed for the armors from Proph/Factions that can't have insignias on them.

/notsigned for anything else. That 10-30 minutes is enough time to visit the Eye, get it into HoM and go gget your refund for it. Basically free benefits in GW2.

However, on another note, expanded storage for armor-collecting elitists (such as myself) would help. I may be needing a second mule soon because I've collected a bit too much armor.

Eldin

Eldin

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

America. How about you, commie?

Fellows of Mythgar [FOM]

R/Mo

30 Jan 2008 at 00:49 - 68
/notsigned

You get what you get. I would like it if we got a partial refund though, or salvaging the armor generally yielded the same amount of materials used originally.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mortal Amongst Mere Gods
/signed for the armors from Proph/Factions that can't have insignias on them.
Is it a good time to mention that Prophecies and Factions armor sets were updated to the insignia system a loooooooooong time ago?

Sir Seifus Halbred

Sir Seifus Halbred

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

30 Jan 2008 at 00:54 - 69
/Notsigned

No one is forcing you to buy the armor and there are plenty of ways to see what it looks like before purchasing. You don't like the set of armor you bought, too bad that is your problem.

Ekelon

Ekelon

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Rebel Rising [rawr]

A/W

30 Jan 2008 at 00:55 - 70
/signed

I thought this topic was dumb until you said there would be only a 10-30 min return period. As long as there is a limit I think it's fine. After all you would've wasted money buying material for the armor so you still end up losing something at the end. Small things like HoM can be ironed out.

Velise_Snowtorm

Velise_Snowtorm

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2007

Forever Knights

30 Jan 2008 at 01:17 - 71
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaws Of Doom
/signed for confirm button when crafting armor

/notsigned for armor refunds
I agree 100% with this.

I've had unfortunate lag spikes while clicking to craft and ended up with two pieces of the same armor. I'd love a "Confirm" Button. Better yet, I'd love an "Armor Preview" window.

And armor refunds? Elite armors are there for a reason...it's a money sink. There is absolutely no other reason for it to exist. Anet added "elite" armors to play on players' vanity so they spend and therefore remove large chunks of money from the game. They'd never allow players to get a refund on something like that, it defeats the purpose.

dread pirate fargus

dread pirate fargus

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

in bed

X Peace And Love X [PaL]

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30 Jan 2008 at 01:25 - 72
/signed for all.

some of my long time characters (made waaaay before titles) would really like to be rerolled so i can get survivor or LDoA on them, but they all have multiple sets of 15k armour that i dont want to lose. allready salvaged 3 sets of 15k while rerolling old characters this way, some kind of return other than a few steel etc would be a lot fairer.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

30 Jan 2008 at 11:36 - 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus
/signed for all.

some of my long time characters (made waaaay before titles) would really like to be rerolled so i can get survivor or LDoA on them, but they all have multiple sets of 15k armour that i dont want to lose. allready salvaged 3 sets of 15k while rerolling old characters this way, some kind of return other than a few steel etc would be a lot fairer.
So just salvage the armor and sell it before you destroy the armor!

Would you honestly expect the elite armor crafter to say "yes here is 70k in return for each set of your 15k armor". That would be a lot of gold just given away to you!

If it was obsideon armor, you would be getting back even more gold!!!

People would be instantly trading in elite armor sets to make themselves rich and running out to buy other items.

The economy would inflate over night!

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

30 Jan 2008 at 14:42 - 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by freekedoutfish
Would you honestly expect the elite armor crafter to say "yes here is 70k in return for each set of your 15k armor". That would be a lot of gold just given away to you!

If it was obsideon armor, you would be getting back even more gold!!!

People would be instantly trading in elite armor sets to make themselves rich and running out to buy other items.

The economy would inflate over night!
You obviously didn't read the whole post, because the OP suggested a 10-30 minute deadline to return the armor after you bought it. People who bought obsidian armor 2 years ago couldn't go return it.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

30 Jan 2008 at 14:59 - 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanyatta
You obviously didn't read the whole post, because the OP suggested a 10-30 minute deadline to return the armor after you bought it. People who bought obsidian armor 2 years ago couldn't go return it.
even so, what would make more sense?

1) Adding a preview system for armor, in the same fashion as dye.
2) Adding a refund function.

If people know what it looks lke before hand, they wont need to refund it. But we do have guildwiki for that and I find it hard to understand how you cant see exactly what armor looks like from high res photos.

mr_groovy

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

30 Jan 2008 at 15:26 - 76
/signed for refund

after dedication to hom, refund becomes expired.

noneedforclevernames

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Jay To Much [SrE]

Me/N

30 Jan 2008 at 21:13 - 77
/notsigned
You can already look at the armor sets on guildwiki and I think this would leave to much room for even more exploiting

Croco Clouds

Croco Clouds

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Montreal, QC, Canada

Divine Illumination [LaZy]

E/A

30 Jan 2008 at 21:18 - 78
/signed, the refund options should be available in the next 7 hrs of purchase!

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Riding the spiral

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31 Jan 2008 at 00:00 - 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldin
Is it a good time to mention that Prophecies and Factions armor sets were updated to the insignia system a loooooooooong time ago?
Whoops, that manged to pass my wall of significance somehow. Okay, well that means I'm just /notsigned.

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Riding the spiral

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31 Jan 2008 at 00:00 - 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldin
Is it a good time to mention that Prophecies and Factions armor sets were updated to the insignia system a loooooooooong time ago?
Whoops, double post. Sorry.