/report for botting = fail on Anet

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Gattocheese
Lion's Arch Merchant
#21
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Originally Posted by Vinraith
Sounds like you've got a legitimate bot, but you can only do what you can do. It wouldn't surprise me if Anet's /report queue is so long it takes them quite awhile to get around to investigating a given set of reports. They may get him yet. We can hope.
Thank you for the upbeat reply, i believe that Anet will eventually get em. Just was hoping before he reached the title.
leprekan
leprekan
Wilds Pathfinder
#22
Pathetic. Just because someone does not respond to you and follows the shortest path on a grind title does not make them a bot. FFF is so freaking mindless it is unreal when you bring HFFF into it if you should definitely be watching tv at same time. Get over yourself.

This thread should be close with a public stoning to follow.
dicecube
dicecube
Lion's Arch Merchant
#23
i reported someone that was botting and i got my account suspended..
lol after years of playing this character and never running into any problems
my first time reporting someone using /report name, i get my account suspended for having an unacceptable name.
heatscore on my part for exposing my name, even though its nowhere from being inappropriate, just a tad bit naughty a lil bit funny actually, but Anet has no sense of humor.
RhanoctJocosa
RhanoctJocosa
Legendary Korean
#24
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Originally Posted by Sergeant of Marines
Was not a conclusion, it was a fact. Would you reply to a pm that asked: Are you a bot?
If I was afk, which I was implying, no. But even so, I probably wouldn't anyway.

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Originally Posted by Sergeant of Marines
But out of the countless hours I play, this person always does it the same way...run to exit sign, runs out portal, rezones, rinse and repeat...after about 20k faction, I would need a break, this person/bot does it non-stop all day! Have screenshots to prove the bot-like-movement!
Mind posting them? (blackening out any names)

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Originally Posted by Gattocheese
Thank you for the upbeat reply, i believe that Anet will eventually get em. Just was hoping before he reached the title.
You need not worry; if ANet find that the person was botting their title won't matter because the account will be banned.
Sergeant of Marines
Sergeant of Marines
Desert Nomad
#25
I will blank out the name(s) and post them when I get home in about 4 hours!
jezz
jezz
Frost Gate Guardian
#26
man you stand around watching bots or possible bot? what do you get out of reporting? satisfaction you dobbed in someone that has been grinding..

i was farming Sunspear points one afternoon..i did like 20 runs in and out i didnt speak to anyone didnt stop for anything..i certainly hope i wasnt reported as a bot..

they dont bother me, so i dont bother them..
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Red Sonya
Desert Nomad
#27
The thing is /reports are NOT IMMEDIATE in that there will be action immediately if at all. It could take weeks or months to get to a specific case and I honestly don't believe Anet has the time or staff to monitor anyone specificially constantly all the time.

My theory is when the case gets to them they check on the person accused of a bot using whatever detective means they use and IF this person is STILL BOTTING at that particular time and moment then they get banned. Otherwise if they aren't botting when being checked then they go scott free from whatever it was they were botting before.

I personally don't have a problem with what other people do in the game until it effects me in a way I find "offensive" like ethnic slurs or racial slurs. That's the only time I will turn my head up towards what another player is doing. Bots only exist because other players want them to exist so they can buy their way through the game and their ranks or whatever it is they feel they just must have right now. If people didn't support them they probably wouldn't exist in the huge numbers that they do in every mmorpg/mmo or cooprpg. Besides what is a title anyways, they are worthless and useless except a handful that give some advantage to salvaging or PVE skills. Big deal we lived a long time and played a long time without any Titles or PVE only skills. Quit whinning and just play the dam game or quit.
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Gattocheese
Lion's Arch Merchant
#28
I never understood the contraversy over bots. They are a bad thing for GW and change the way that we play the game, usually for the worse. I basically was blowing steam because i was hoping for the bot to be banned before getting the title. But now realizing that it might take a lot longer, i am confident that there will be good results in the end.

Some people do get banned on accident, thats why this might be a more sensitive /report than say cursing, bad name, leeching. But its all part of due process, plus i have seen a long time ago on these forums of people actually admitting using bots. So i might be stepping in someones business.
Vinraith
Vinraith
Desert Nomad
#29
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Originally Posted by Gattocheese
Thank you for the upbeat reply, i believe that Anet will eventually get em. Just was hoping before he reached the title.
NP, the amount of illiteracy in this thread is more than a little disturbing (and more than a little frustrating to you, I'm sure). I suppose as long as the character's deleted it really doesn't matter if it hit the title, but I can understand why it'd annoy on principle.
Sergeant of Marines
Sergeant of Marines
Desert Nomad
#30
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Originally Posted by jezz
man you stand around watching bots or possible bot? what do you get out of reporting? satisfaction you dobbed in someone that has been grinding..

i was farming Sunspear points one afternoon..i did like 20 runs in and out i didnt speak to anyone didnt stop for anything..i certainly hope i wasnt reported as a bot..

they dont bother me, so i dont bother them..
That is all fine, 20 runs is not bad, this guy is doing HUNDREDS without stop, but since Many people do not

a. Care
b. do not beleive

I will not continue to try with this anymore.
jezz
jezz
Frost Gate Guardian
#31
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Originally Posted by Sergeant of Marines
That is all fine, 20 runs is not bad, this guy is doing HUNDREDS without stop, but since Many people do not

a. Care
b. do not beleive

I will not continue to try with this anymore.
and how do you know unless you stand and watch ...havent you got other things to do..lol

if he is a bot fine ban him..but you have like 1000s more...so good luck with that..
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Red Sonya
Desert Nomad
#32
If you're wasting time watching a bot and then complain that the bot is stealing something or changing the game for you, you really have no right to complain for all that time you spent watching the bot and then going to forums and complaining you could have been out there getting your own title (in due time) and other things like gold and items and equipment.

One thing I notice in this game an all other ones online is that there sure are a lot of whinny babies on each and every one. There are tattle tails as well. There are mama's boys and bullies. There are a lot of jealous people. I don't think I've ever seen in real life what I see in online games as it brings out the real personalities of people who because of an anonymous state they aren't AFRAID to express themselves. Mostly whinning though.
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azizul1975
Lion's Arch Merchant
#33
just becoz someone making the same movement over and over again , u cannot say he's a bot...

i've done that couple of times, soloing jade bro hard mode just outside marketplace in cantha for the drops....i know people doing it for the survivor title too..does that make them bots?
Fril Estelin
Fril Estelin
So Serious...
#34
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
The thing is /reports are NOT IMMEDIATE in that there will be action immediately if at all. It could take weeks or months to get to a specific case and I honestly don't believe Anet has the time or staff to monitor anyone specificially constantly all the time.
True. And to make things even clearer, Anet explicitly said and repeated that huge amount of reports will not expedite certain cases, all are examined by real people. And being "real" means having only 2 hands and 24h per day .

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My theory is when the case gets to them they check on the person accused of a bot using whatever detective means they use and IF this person is STILL BOTTING at that particular time and moment then they get banned. Otherwise if they aren't botting when being checked then they go scott free from whatever it was they were botting before.
I haven't studied the feature in-game, but I suspect it is more complicated than that. For example, to take into accounts multiple reports, you'd have to have a certain "flag" on people for having checked them or not, so that other GMs can see the accumulated effect of several reports and their investigation.

But if anyone has a 3rd party application running, it's pretty easy to beat (not used all the time).

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Bots only exist because other players want them to exist so they can buy their way through the game and their ranks or whatever it is they feel they just must have right now. If people didn't support them they probably wouldn't exist in the huge numbers that they do in every mmorpg/mmo or cooprpg.
QFT! Greediness and ridiculous use of money for an MMO (when you think about it, seriously, more than 10 seconds...buying VIRTUAL money for REAL money? yeah sure, it's like buying "virtual time" which is the "real time" of a bot ... what a non-sense!) is the root of this problem. Anet simply can't do anything about the root cause, they can only fight the symptom! (imune system ftw!)
Fril Estelin
Fril Estelin
So Serious...
#35
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Originally Posted by Red Sonya
I don't think I've ever seen in real life what I see in online games as it brings out the real personalities of people who because of an anonymous state they aren't AFRAID to express themselves.
I QFD'd you before, but I have to add something to this: it's not the "real" personality of people that you see in MMOs, it's only one side of them that is exacerbated by the online medium.

It's exactly like spamming, it's nothing new at all, people have been doing it for centuries. Only the Internet make it a lot easier and faster (click here to send 100,000 emails!). Thus generating an overwhelming feeling that is generall misinterpretated as being "more true", because it seems "raw" in the big sea of emotional content (which it trully is, pseudo-anonimity breaks the social barriers).

It's a bit like GWG: it looks like the GW community is talking, but it is NOT. It's just a bunch of thousands people eager to type (rather than click ). The good news is: all the whining may simply be a "GWG" effect, not an aspect of GW itself.

post-edit: on the other hand, "botting" is something quite new (though automated action from the Ford USA area created it per se), as it introduces online an inherent unfair advantage to people that are computer-savvy (well, sort of, this is getting much much easier that it used to be, see script kiddies). That's where trust and reputation systems come in, but they're very far from being robust and widely understood.
leprekan
leprekan
Wilds Pathfinder
#36
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Originally Posted by Sergeant of Marines
That is all fine, 20 runs is not bad, this guy is doing HUNDREDS without stop, but since Many people do not

a. Care
b. do not beleive

I will not continue to try with this anymore.
He has to be stopping ... 10k is cap on faction. Considering the OP said the "bot" was getting a title it must be increasing in rank. If it was being farmed for economic gain he would still cash in the faction for the amber cash .. hence requiring a trip to gh and a stop in the runs. I used to fff 50-80k a day ... I didn't bother chatting or responding and it was all done one 10k after another while on phone or reading. Should have seen me maxing treasure hunter .. hours on end you could see me run same route to exit in port sledge. Just because someone is grinding to complete something and takes most direct route does not make them a bot or you a capable judge of what in the hell they are doing.

Only thing worse than actual bots is the busy bodies that actually think they could spot one. I have been banned twice I assume because of busy body morons thinking I was a bot and Anet banning first and looking later. Both times was resolved and unbanned with an oops our bad email from Anet.
Fril Estelin
Fril Estelin
So Serious...
#37
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Originally Posted by leprekan
HI have been banned twice I assume because of busy body morons thinking I was a bot and Anet banning first and looking later.
Actually, the reality can be much "worse" (or simpler), some people can simply be very mean (and extermely stupid): just look in the farming forum for someone heavily poster and /report him as a bot! (the better the /report system will be, the thinner the frontier between bots and farmers will be)

Don't ask me what goes into the brain of this kind of people, as much as I can find explanations, the fact that this behavior exists defies intelligence. Parents, please educate your children!
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Gattocheese
Lion's Arch Merchant
#38
The dection of botting months ago is a lil different that it is now. Before, if you did repeative movement over and over again for a long period of time without any kind of other action their system would find you and give you a nice fat error. It had that happen to my ex guild leader twice. This time its a lil different with the /report system. I have been faction farming for the longest time, longer than most people now have been, just not as heavily. Its rather easy IMO to spot a botter, seeing them rather dominate augury rock, altrum ruins for a long time. Of course since i report this character, the due process should tell me if it was actualy a bot or a real person. If it is a bot and it does take a lot longer, eventually that person shall be banned. If not, that person will not be banned and no harm done.

They gave us a /report for bots for a reason, its not like reporting for cursing or leaching. Botting can effect everyone and has already.
Fril Estelin
Fril Estelin
So Serious...
#39
IMO, the only solid proof of a bot is spotting the exact same "behavior" many times in a row (without any change) and getting in on tape. Behavior=same path, same actions. But this would be surely spotted by Anet's antibot features.

In total truth, this is not even truly undisputable, as someone mentioned before that using the keyboard only, you can end up extremely repetitive actions and mecanically follow the same path (thanks to Anet software doing the job for you when you press the space bar).

I suspect that there are actually simple ways to check bot-activity on the server-side (even a random mouse click or side-step wouldn't help). But on the client side, where we all stand (unless you're from Anet which you are not) it's a lot of speculation, though it can very well be that this guy is actually a bot!
leprekan
leprekan
Wilds Pathfinder
#40
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Originally Posted by Gattocheese
The dection of botting months ago is a lil different that it is now. Before, if you did repeative movement over and over again for a long period of time without any kind of other action their system would find you and give you a nice fat error. It had that happen to my ex guild leader twice. This time its a lil different with the /report system. I have been faction farming for the longest time, longer than most people now have been, just not as heavily. Its rather easy IMO to spot a botter, seeing them rather dominate augury rock, altrum ruins for a long time. Of course since i report this character, the due process should tell me if it was actualy a bot or a real person. If it is a bot and it does take a lot longer, eventually that person shall be banned. If not, that person will not be banned and no harm done.

They gave us a /report for bots for a reason, its not like reporting for cursing or leaching. Botting can effect everyone and has already.
Has it crossed your mind the reason you still see that person in game is because Anet checked and he ISN'T a bot? If you happened to read .. Anet will not let YOU know what the outcome of a report is. The fact that said individual is still in game means you were most likely *GASP* wrong.

Sorry, but it is very easy to imagine a person just like you causing me to be banned before for NO REASON. If you spend that much time in a town to notice one persons play style you seriously need to do something productive in the game or try taking a walk outside where fresh air may clear the methane so obviously blurring your ability to see common farming behavior.

You do not provide one shred of evidence other than your opinion. Like I said in one of my earlier posts ... I used to run the same route to exit for HOURS on end in Lutgardis. I am not and never was a bot. If you feel my response is kind of harsh .. I appologize .. but you will never understand till YOU are the target of a clueless busy body. Threads like this should be killed on sight just to avoid spreading the idea that people can tell what a bot is. If it were easy to tell Anet would have banned them ALL long ago.