Why?

Why does my friend not accept the fact that Ritualists do not suck at all? She constantly complains about Ritualists (well, and Mesmers) being bad, even after being completely pwnt by Splinter Weapon and Ancestor's Rage in GvG. If a Mesmer or Ritualist joins the team, we tell them to play something else or she throws a hissy fit.

Is my friend suffering from one or more mental illnesses, or is she simply a noob? What do I do to make her realise that Mesmers and Ritualists have roles that they fulfill incredibly well?

well....if she ain't takin' any medication, i'd say she's an idiot.

well, mesmers and rits are hard to play. people who don't know how to play them well, say they are sucks

Mesmers are bad if they go up against something their skill bar can't handle. If they have the right skill bar for the job and know how to play, they can really make a difference.

Rits can be good too. Restoration rits are good healers and channeling has a lot of useful spells in it. Your friend really doesn't know what she is talking about.

Rits are hard to play? Are you kidding me? Push the Splinter Weapon button on recharge. Done, you're a competent Ritualist. Anything you do beyond that is a bonus.

The only reason rits are hard to play is that you have to wade through a pile of shitty skills to find the good ones.

The only reason Rits are hard and is the only time anyone wants you in their group is to heal and Rits are not monks so it can be tough to try and heal at a monks level.

The only reason people think Rits suck is they are always stuck healing which again they can't do as well a a monk thus never get to open a can of whoopass, something they can do.

If a Rit lays out 3 offensive spirits, 2 defensive, and tosses weapon spells on tanks, while doing some wanding they can account for some serious DPS while negating some as well.

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Your friend is a noob. Noobs only like Warriors, Elementalists, and Monks, and everything else is inferior. While, the truth is almost the exact opposite, at least in normal PvE.

Thanks for the replies all. Silentman, I told her she hates them because she doesn't like playing either of them. Apparantly, it's because whatever a Mesmer or Rit can do, another profession can do better. I see a lot of E/Me's using MoR+Diversion, y'know.

Even after taking about 5000000 damage from Splinter Weapon on a couple of Dervs (well, more than their scythes did anyway) she still believe they don't do enough damage. She'd rather take a fire Elementalist in either format of play.

Healing Monks are also apparantly better than Resto Rits. I may be mistaken, but isn't Healing Prayers underpowered, at least in PvP? Whereas Restoration is loaded with cheap, efficient heals on short recharges (although only 2 of them will easily suffice in a build) as well as WoWarding and other unstrippable buffs. The Rit can also pack some Channeling, such as Warmonger's and Splinter Weapon to give frontliners a boost.

PvP and PvE are different, but surely, if she has People Know Me, she must have at least some idea in PvP... right?

I doubt she has a clue at all. Rits can out heal a monk fairly easily, as you mentioned. Monks need to protect, to prevent damage from being taken. You know what I have seen lately? (not in "real" pvp but alliance battles and general pve) I've seen a lot of mesmers with ele secondaries, fast casting eles pretty much. I guess by your friends standards eles suck because people can play as them with their secondary profession. People also used to play rt/n minion masters, I guess that means necros are worthless because a rit can do that. And people also do me/n spiteful spirit builds, again for fast casting, another reason why we don't need necros right? Your friend is a noob, let her keep playing as a healing hands, mending, healing breeze, vigorous spirit, live vicariously warrior. maybe she will learn someday.

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She is blinded by uberness

Let here try and solo the Bogroot Dungeon Ritualist then tell you they suck. If a good build is used you can a lot. You can solo Sins, Warriors, and Dervs all with a sword and shield. Or you can be a caster. Or a healer. And still poop a spirit here and there. You are the jack of trades.

Mesmer’s are the Tricksters of GW. Who pisses you off the most when you PVE the healer that heals your target over and over or the Mesmer that keeps interrupting you attacks and skill chains? They are the ones that keep constant degeneration on you / stealing all the energy and adrenaline you have? Personally the Mesmer seems to piss me off the most.

My 2 cents

Pain

She plays ele main, she probolly doesn't like mes cause they pissed her off<_<

I know I hate to fight good mes players. Stupid interupts.......
But if not then she is a noob. one of the first things you learn in PVP is MES'S ARE ANNOYING

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In PvE mesmers really don't have a chance to shine, since E-denial is useless, shutdown is either never needed or only needed for 1 boss, and interrupts are usually better done by ranger anyway.

Ritualists suffer from the problem of being a class that isn't well understood by most pugs.

Monks, warriors and such are so widely used that most players can identify a good monk build for a bad monk build in a second. Rits, mesmers, paragons have the problem that most party leaders just don't know what the hell is a good build for them, so they would rather take a chance with something assured like another ele.

Also, in most cases a pug group aims for this: 1-2 'tanks' (I really hate the word tank, but its what they use), 2 monks, 2-3 nukers. The problem with integrating a Rit (or other 'undesirables') into these groups is that when forming a pug you want to get people and go. Most parties will just take 2 monks and hope it works, they don't want to waste 30 mins figuring out whether 1 monk + 1 rit + 1 para can be better then 2 monk + 1 ele, they want to just take 2 monks and 1 ele and get through the map. They don't want to risk their group on a random rit who says "Hey I can heal as well as a monk while dealing lots of damage too" because it's a pug, and you can't trust other people.

On the other hand, if anyone pretending to be 'experienced' says a class outright sucks, they are definitely pretty high on the noob list. More so after being beaten by said class, thats pushing the limits of stupidity.

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