What makes them (you) do it?

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

....I don't get people who do it..why bother doing on such a small scale....

I'd do it on a much bigger scale, like G.W. Bush does.

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanman.be
....I don't get people who do it..why bother doing on such a small scale....

I'd do it on a much bigger scale, like G.W. Bush does.
Not a very good analogy. Bush is more like the idiot newbie who doesn't know what the hell he's doing, but is still utterly full of himself, despite being the reason a party wipes.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by IslandHermet
This is one of the people im talking about. ither he was bullied in school or made fun of for years or has a bad relationship with his parents.
or has the mental disorder Bipolor or depression. which seems to be getting more common these days.
Wasn't made fun of for years or bullied in school (always had friends). My relationship with my parents is better than most.. I don't have Bipolar either. Depression maybe, but that wouldn't make me attack others.

I should also say that I don't really target certain people and make fun of them, or mess up parties..I usually go to a town and say I don't like Guild Wars then start a fight with everyone who takes me seriously. Or go to a town and type in all caps, just being annoying in general to see what people say. But I don't make a habit out of it. So maybe I'm a lesser jerk.

IslandHermet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

I thiink the depression you suffer from affects your life more than you know and should seek help from a professional, I bet if you were not depressed at all you would not do the things you do to people. as my posts state your depressed and want everyone to feel as bad as you.

leprekan

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhedd
A lot of people here have been saying pretty much the same thing, with varying degrees of simplicity or complexity, because we all know the answer.

Many people are naturally evil.

Many people are naturally cowards.

Any situation that allows a person to do evil without risking injury is bound to result in a drastic increase in evil acts.

Let's not candy-coat it. It's Evil.

And only boring people can be bored. <== Truism because it's true.
The ones doing it in my opinion fall into category of coward. Hiding behind a keyboard or a law that keeps physically larger males from beating them to death while they act like an asshat screams pathetic. That's not evil that is cowardice in it's purest form.

Evil doesn't heckle or play video games .. evil pulls wings off a fly to watch it struggle or pushes puppies under water to watch the spasms when death happens.

Wannabe Ethug isn't evil ... it is the kid that loses his lunch money OFTEN.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by IslandHermet
I thiink the depression you suffer from affects your life more than you know and should seek help from a professional, I bet if you were not depressed at all you would not do the things you do to people. as my posts state your depressed and want everyone to feel as bad as you.
Um I don't try to make other people feel bad, I just talk bad about Guild Wars because I really dislike the way it is now and I rarely do that in game because that would require me to log on just to do that which is really kind of silly (hence I only do it when I'm already logged on after reading these forums usually.. people who suck up to anet and think this game is great now just really piss me off!). So when that happens I usually just troll a bit. I'm also quite a happy person most of the time.

Aleta

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

TTP

R/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18
I do it for fun and laughs when I get bored. Sometimes I have 10 people against me and they just keep on going it's really funny. If I could offend people in the game without getting banned..oh I'd do it often!

I just really do not like you guys that's about it and it also depends on my mood, for the most part I'm a nice guy. For the most part I only go on Guild Wars to do that after I read threads here with people who are kissy kissy with Guild Wars and think it's a great game now.

Why is it fun? You don't have any self respect?

I guess I grew up in the wrong era also. I can't imagine being crude, rude and generally an unsavory person for kicks. I need to live with myself and would rather not have my conscience bugging me about my actions.

Maybe some people don't have a conscience anymore

bungusmaximus

bungusmaximus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Guild Of Handicrafted Products [MaSS]

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleta
Why is it fun? You don't have any self respect?

I guess I grew up in the wrong era also. I can't imagine being crude, rude and generally an unsavory person for kicks. I need to live with myself and would rather not have my conscience bugging me about my actions.

Maybe some people don't have a conscience anymore
But teasing people is just so much....fun. The only reason why I don't do it here is that it gives the mods headaches. If people can't take a joke anymore where's the fun in life? I do this irl too, not just on the internet. irl it's easier to see what is still funny and what crosses that thin line.

I'm often on the receiving end too, I personally don't give a **** when it's all in good fun.

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aleta
Why is it fun? You don't have any self respect?

I guess I grew up in the wrong era also. I can't imagine being crude, rude and generally an unsavory person for kicks. I need to live with myself and would rather not have my conscience bugging me about my actions.

Maybe some people don't have a conscience anymore
It's fun because I like to see people taking something so seriously, when I'm not being serious about it. During Halloween I said something about Guild Wars being boring now and started a ruckus in LA, with about 5-6 people trying to bash on me and I was just laughing because they were taking me so seriously. Also I was writing what people were saying, "mocking" if you will, with a 12 year old AOL translator thing that my friend showed me on the internet and people were getting so upset about it.

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

Being an ass online is both funny and annoying.

The ones who shout the loudest are more then likely the ones that get shoved into a locker everyday.

Taki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

N/Me

Bad parenting on both sides. Not teaching children how to behave in an acceptable standard on one side, and on the other, not teaching them how to deal with real shit in life. Of course, if you can't even do the latter yourself, how can you teach lil' Johnny/Sally?

And while I don't care for griefers, I really can't stand those that choose not to do anything about it or let themselves be negatively affected, much less let their children go unprepared to handle those types of situations.

Etta

Etta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Mancland, British Empire

Quote:
Originally Posted by I pwnd U
Because they like to get their self esteem up and make themselves feel good. They think if they insult people they will feel better about themselves. It makes people feel powerful to call others "An 8 year old child" or whatever they want. People just want to be cool, it's kinda like people talking in caps lock. "Caps lock is cruise control for cool" People love to use it because they feel it makes them powerful. Really it's a bunch of bs and people just need to grow up.
The God of Spammers has spoken. Now put on some pants and grow up!

Rocky Raccoon

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18
I do it for fun and laughs when I get bored. Sometimes I have 10 people against me and they just keep on going it's really funny. If I could offend people in the game without getting banned..oh I'd do it often!

I just really do not like you guys that's about it and it also depends on my mood, for the most part I'm a nice guy. For the most part I only go on Guild Wars to do that after I read threads here with people who are kissy kissy with Guild Wars and think it's a great game now.
No you are not a nice guy you are an ass and prove quite often. As to the OP, anonymity = stupidity to many people and that is a sad thing.

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

its the internet and as has been said a FREE (after buying the initial game) for life on the internet.
The internet is a strange place where many believe they dont have to be civil to anyone, its anonymous so many believe they can get away with being cruel and hateful.
(its also strange that there are many people in the world that cant see the difference between games and the real world, but thats another 50gallon can of worms).
and OP I understand (41 here and have nephews/nieces old enough to get married!)

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Banned

Join Date: Nov 2007

I believe we call those (my) people sociopaths.

We own.

Melei Hawke

Melei Hawke

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

SoF

R/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by ------------_------------
I believe we call those (my) people sociopaths.

We fail.
Fixed that for you...

garethporlest18

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Risky Ranger
No you are not a nice guy you are an ass and prove quite often. As to the OP, anonymity = stupidity to many people and that is a sad thing.
It mustn't be stupidity when I'm benefiting from it by getting entertainment. As far as I'm concerned I can be an ass and uncivil and just a not fun to be around guy on the internet all I want simply because it's another world apart from the real one. I'm less of an ass than a lot of people as I don't do more than talk in cities and I've done that 3 or 4 times (in a negative manner) this year.

Usually I start it because I"m upset at something and once I cool down (happens quickly) everything usually just dies down unless I got a few people lashing out at me then I just laugh at them and make them do it more.

I'm not this way in real life because I don't hold such a disrespect for most people, and if I'm in a bad mood I generally keep it to myself. On the internet, people are nothing more than entertainment visages to me, unless I become friends with that person, at which point I'll treat them with more respect...granted this is only when I'm in a bad mood..in a good mood I won't bother anyone and I'm generally nice. Just when I'm an ass don't take what I say too seriously.

Now I'm sure this doesn't help the OP as the people that are offensive or griefers/scammers and generally just bad people all around are more bothered than I am. All I'm bothered by is a bad mood, and maybe some sleep deprivation.

greenreaper3

greenreaper3

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

ign: Cytherea of Athens

We Made Mallyx Tap [Out]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGmaniac
One time me and a guildie ran suicide necro builds in TA because we were on the bored side. In the end we made friends with a couple of the people we got paired up with. And we haven't done anything like that since then (which was around 7 months ago).

I think sometimes people do stuff like that because they're bored or they don't feel good (not physically, I mean emotionally mostly). Then there are those who just generally take pleasure out of other peoples' misery.
omg me too... i was bored so me and my friend went on TS... with 16 death magic for death nova.. and lowest health possible and used frenzy and followed the enemies...

and in RA... then we just started yelling REZ ME REZ ME REZ ME REZ ME REZ ME REZ ME etc

actully was in a 8 round winningstreak.... they just had some1 with a hard rez and didnt waste sigs...

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

I would guess it is mostly just an age+emotional thing. I did something like that back when I first got on the internet (early 90's - so it was mostly troll Usenet of harass people on IRC). I did it when I was bored or unhappy, no real reason I guess. If I had been younger I may (or may not) have done it more.

I can't say I was exactly the type of person you are talking about - that type of interactivity wasn't really around then for me to even become that way. I can't say I got as angry as many trolls/greifers do when you call them out on it (what could I say? - Yes, I'm being an ass) and it was a somewhat rare thing. I can't understand how so many people spend so much time at it, they must be *really* unhappy people.

Overall I agree with the graphic already posted, though I would generally add "immaturity" and "boredom" in there. Get rid of any one of those things and you would see it drop tremendously.

MoldyRiceFrenzy

MoldyRiceFrenzy

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

Santa Rosa, CA

Confusion in The Ranks[tArD]

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGmaniac
One time me and a guildie ran suicide necro builds in TA because we were on the bored side. In the end we made friends with a couple of the people we got paired up with. And we haven't done anything like that since then (which was around 7 months ago).

I think sometimes people do stuff like that because they're bored or they don't feel good (not physically, I mean emotionally mostly). Then there are those who just generally take pleasure out of other peoples' misery.
hmm... i remembering playing with suicide necros in ta too... then using a modded build in ra... got quite alot of 10's somehow too. lol...

neways flaming = pissed off/ frustrated and the newness wears away ect...

dont scam, thats for nubz

um sometimes i do weird stuff and mean stuff cause i want revenge cause ppl piss me off...

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGmaniac
That's a pretty good point. I never really think about that at times (not that I act like a complete a-hole to everyone I meet online) but sometimes when I do things (like the suiciding necro thing I said I did earlier) I don't think that maybe I could be negatively impacting someone who had a rough day or something. And especially with people in my age group (I'm 15) we don't think about how our actions affect others.
So, when I was younger, I played Diablo online (the first one), and I did some griefing when there were some hacks released - things like Town Portaling people directly into Diablo's lair (where they were subsequently be annihilated by him and all his minions in that small room), teleporting inside of the blacksmith and when they go to sell their stuff, blast them with a fireball or whatever, stuff like that. What RPGmaniac says here is pretty much the reason I did it. That, and, I was often with my friend at the time, and we'd both get a laugh. Honestly, we just didn't really consider any kind of empathy for others, especially those we don't know, and are entirely anonymous over the internet.

The older I got, the wiser I got, and the more I am able to understand the things I do can impact not just other people, but also how other people view me. It's a whole can of worms that most people, up to the ages of 18-21, just don't understand or fully grasp. Combine that with a general immaturity, and a whole Pandora's Box full of other mental and emotional states that torment the developing human mind during those ages, oh and group behavior if they often do these things only when friends are around (like me).

Kusandaa

Kusandaa

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

N/Mo

People are just jerks, that's pretty much all there is to it, for most anyways. I'm ADHD myself, I won't bully people and in general I won't make someone's game feel like hell, but when provoked I can get harsh. I make people ragequit when they're annoying at the point my group suffers because of it - I'll overaggro on purpose as a tank/puller, I'll stop healing the person if I'm monking, and I'll deny e. management when requested if I play necro. In 90% of the case, when the person leaves, everyone resumes normal gameplay and we finish what we were doing without any problem.

Yeah, I fight fire with fire. You're annoying? Betcha I'll be annoying too, and in your next group you probably won't do it again.

But in general I'm laid-back. I don't wanna ruin gaming experiences, I don't find it fun... got nothing to gain from it.

And yes, I agree... anonymity really doesn't help when it comes to idiocy. People think they can get out with everything because they can either leave group and forget about it, or ignore others. It doesn't matter to them, it's only a game". But to whoever tells that to me... keep in mind that when humans will play with other humans, there WILL BE FEELINGS, therefore conflicts.

RedNova88

RedNova88

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Behind you!

W/

Eh, greed is the source of all evil. Even if the evil is of a much, much lesser extent, it all amounts to greed. Whether it's making you feel good, or helping you make money, it's all about you.

When I ask my friends why sometimes they're enormous jerks online the response I usually get is "It's fun and they can't do anything to me in real life."

Solas

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

Why do people close the elavator when they see you running to it or why do people cut you off on a road?

selfishness

online they can do this with no reprecutions more or less, as in real life somone could do somthing about it.

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedNova88
Eh, greed is the source of all evil.
That'd be too simple. Remove the notionf of "property" (*eyes pointing to the East*), then no greed, then no evil, then no problem!

There're more roots to these problems.

Sleeper Service

Sleeper Service

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

CULT

people are the root of all evil.

no people. no evil. no problem.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

anonymity brings out the worse in human. but people fail to understand that at the end of the day, they have to answer to themselves, and not the other players whom they have wrong.

It is not something you can get away with, even thou its only a game, to the person who got cheated, they learn a valuable lesson that everywhere you are, there will be evil/mischiefs. But to the cheater, they have to live with the guilt forever, guilt that they've done something bad to another person who never did anything to them.

hope you sleep well at night

Fril Estelin

Fril Estelin

So Serious...

Join Date: Jan 2007

London

Nerfs Are [WHAK]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
anonymity brings out the worse in human.
It also brings the best in humans: just think about all these guys that work hard via the net to do something "useful" (from the relatively useful as managing GWG or populating the GWiki, to the very useful like coordinating international charity organisations or relaying critical information around the world). All these guys are virtually "email addresses", and in real life no one knows about their fantastic work. Without net anonymity a lot of oppressed people (Chinese, to Tibetan, Iraqis, etc.) would not be able to express themselves.

Anonymity is a double-edged sword (+50hp / -5 energy )

Konrow

Konrow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

NY, New York

Warlords of Earth [WAR]

Anonymity is great. it allows people to express themselves fully on the internet and just let out. Of course this leads to people either being great people or terrible people. If you're in the game you know you're anonymous so you'll do whatever you want and usually things you can't do in the real world. For some this can be having tons of fun meeting people from all over and playing in a fantasy world and for others the anonymity makes them feel as if they can easily scam people, laugh at them and make themselves feel superior without anything happening to them. They feel immortal and use it for evil deeds. That is really the number one thing. We don't know who they are, they know no one knows, and so they feel above the "law".

AceeBlueEagle

AceeBlueEagle

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

ASH -Ashes of Humanity

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleeper Service
people are the root of all evil.

no people. no evil. no problem.
Eh... evil actually comes from a different place IMO. People can be good with a little help.

/just watched Narnia with my daughter and got to explain the underlying message there

Fanco

Fanco

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

[HARD]

Mo/

There's a sucker born every minute.