BMP sell seperate petition.

Resonable would be $50. Would be a great revenue streams considering how many are complaining. Anet wins, the guys who bought online win and the ones that want it win. So, Anet, sell it for $50 and be done with it.

No one was stopping you from going to the in-game store and purchasing EotN. I mean, if you were able to sacrifice the $39.99 for the retail version, then I'm sure you could have sacrificed $39.99 at the in-game store too.

CHunterX, instead of wasting your time theaching people what they should do with their money, why don't you follow my suggestion?

GO HOME
PLAY THE GAME
ENJOY
DONT' BREAK THE BALLS TO THOSE WHO WANT TO BUY

Is the BMP so short you have already completed everything? Sry for you.

In case you haven't finished it yet:

GO HOME
PLAY THE GAME
ENJOY
DONT' BREAK THE BALLS TO THOSE WHO WANT TO BUY

So you are all for having content that is privy to a select few? Why don't we just introduce monthly fees to GW then, that way, people who pay a higher premium can enjoy more and better quality content suited for them.

You obviously are ignorant of the reasons why many were unable to get the bonus pack. And I frankly do not wish to restate them its not worth the effort or time.

I seriously still fail to see why people against this are so vehemently verbose.

Agreed. If Anet can make some more money on the promotion, let them. If they can sell the content to people that want it at a good markup, let them. Anet is a business, let them make money.

With the demand for this, it could be a great revenue stream for Anet which is without a revenue stream until GW2 comes out. Let them make money!

Read what I quoted... I'm not the one "theaching" people on what they should do with their money, I was countering an argument.

If they wanted to buy it, they had thier chance,

"Limited time Offer" //same deal as CE

and it was free as well, I did not buy the BMP, I bought GW:EN.

Difference between retail and online:

Retail: you have various methods of purchasing including, cash, cheque, debit card, credit card, bank transfer.

Online: you have only two methods debit, credit card.

Because you are wrong. this content was not offered to a "select few" it was offered to everyone that wanted it. Anyone could get it. you;'re trying to make it out like the privileged few were allowed a crack at this and to hell with the rest. That isn't so. No one payed a higher premium to enjoy it they just purchased content from the online store. I got EotN on one of my accounts to get the BMP. I was going to buy it anyway from a brick and mortar retailer but the promotion made me pick up my second copy in the online store. I've heard the many reasons why people were "unable" to get it and each and every one of them has been refuted on multiple occasions. There was no excuse as to why people couldn't get it if they really wanted it. you're grasping at straws and trying to play as if you were somehow discriminated against. You weren't you were just too lazy or too inept to do what was necessary to take part in the promotion.

Let me refute your reasons right now.

Live in europe on a pin system? the gave you Paysafe in the play NC store.
Don't have a debit or credit card? you can purchase a pre-paid one. Don't tell me you couldn't because I know you could have.

Any other reasons? I'll blow them out of the water too like all your other straw men.

Read post prior. Choice and option, remarkable things.

And which of those two couldn't you do? Because, if you read the last 10 pages, Paypal offers a Mastercard, which was accepted.

I live in the BeNeLux and didn't even get the chance to pay debit.

No, $50 is not reasonable. And in any case, how does anet win by pricing it at $50? They will make far, far less money by selling it for that amount. So, they don't win because they will have just lost a lot of potential money. The ones that want it win in a sense, but being taken advantage of is hardly winning imo. So that leaves us with the people who already have it... and the fact that they win is kinda the point of this thread in case you haven't noticed.

/signed
i am terrified to buy things online because all the bastard hackers i would love to buy it in the store but why would i pay 30 bucks just for 4 new missions it should prob be 10 bucks or 15.
and ncsoft should cover the packaging costs.

Ok so you chose not to buy in the online store even though you had many options available to you to do so with. I get it now....what you mean to say is that you were full of fail?




and to people afraid to buy online....it's called SSL and looking for the https. SSL is an industry standard millions of people use it every single day and guess what no one gets robbed. Join the 21st century people otherwise you also fail. I'm not even bothering to construct cohesive arguments anymore because it doesn't seem to get through the thick skulls around here. Suffice it to say whiners are full of fail I'm full of win and win>fail.

Ok, for the last time.

retail price $50= $20 to store +$10 shipping & pakaging + $20 for NC-Soft
Online store $50= $50 for NC-Soft
Perhaps now you understand why they want to promote the online store.
Do NOT expect GW2 in stores I think they will only sell it ONLINE.

Assumptions are so good.
I mean simply because I sign with the petition that means I don't actually have the bonus pack; of course. I do enjoy the many personal attacks made by those with the bonus pack.

Seriously no one gets robbed? You obviously don't know about online fraud that goes around daily. Allow me to give you some figures;

"Yesterday, it was reported that online credit card fraud increased from £2 million to £7 million last year but - a mere trifle compared to the total credit card fruad total of £300 million. "

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/03...ne_fraud_rife/

Do have a read as you seem to be totally clueless.

I cba wth this thread anymore so the above quote sums it up for me. I just end up trying to say why those selfish BMP owners need to grow up, but it's not getting anywhere.

After checking, i realised i was on about the pre-order case My bad. But i still stand by my point that 4 new missions / cinematics / new weapon skins / unique skill bars to play around with >>>>>>> some.. case. So no, they are fools to think they are the one's missing out.

Oh and, CHunterX, enough of the "OMG HE'S NAME CALLING ". Get a grip of yourself. No, really.

the point still stands people were given many options to obtain the pack and they chose not to. End of story. It's a case of non-buyer's remorse and Arena Net should not cater to it.

The people that got it as part of the promotion didn't pay for it directly. They got it with GWEN or slots. The people that want it, get it, but have to pay for it which generates $$ for anet on something they already created. It costs them nothing but boxes sets to sell next to GWEN during a lul in production. We win, Anet wins, the players that didn't get it win. And hopefully with the added revenue they can finish GW2 faster with more programers.

yup...........
i got some stuffs to says
A:let this thread die.PLEASE.
B:if you get your BMP complete - i want my casing and stuff.

Nah, min should be $39.99 so it coincides with the cost originally. Anet does not get the full amount as you know so they need to make up for it by creating the packaging, paying the store portion and getting the amount back that the store got from when poeple went there instead of online.

Then everyone wins.

The BMP provides no tangible benefit; the weapons are customized and cannot be sold for profit and they are given as a standard, max damage, uninscribed weapon. If the weapons were better or could be sold, then the BMP would be providing some people with an advantage. However, you can attain a weapon that does exactly the same amount of damage/same bonuses just as easily as people with the BMP.

This argument fails for two reasons, both in semantics and in logic. Semantics are irrelevant to this discussion so I’ll leave them out. Logically, however, the BMP is NOT for a select few. It’s similar to the Collector’s Edition of Prophecies or Factions or Nightfall. It was produced and available then it was sold out. People don’t care because it does not provide a benefit (besides those sweet dances and Divine Aura, which are only cosmetic).

The BMP was, in theory, available for everyone to purchase. If people had problems with the Online Store or their order backfired, then I feel their pain at not being able to qualify. Not having a credit card or being stretched for cash are arguments that are very weak. There was plenty of time (months) to either buy a pre-paid credit card (VISA sells them, so do several banks) or reimburse somebody with a card. If you were stretched for cash then you wouldn’t be able to buy the BMP even if it was available separately.

Specious argument. I would support this reasoning if the promotion was a quick thing, but it wasn’t. There was more than enough time for people to use one of the ‘retail’ methods to either:

a) Pay somebody with a credit card to purchase it for you (such as a parent or a friend if you’re under 18)
b) Purchase a pre-paid card and put $30 USD on it to qualify for the BMP

Or potentially:

c) Register for a debit card at a bank. Most countries only require you to be a teenager. This isn’t the best solution, I’m just suggesting it as a solution.

Ultimately the BMP was not hard to qualify for if you applied yourself. I know. I had to visit several stores to find a pre-paid card, then realised it would arrive too late; so I then had to ask somebody with a credit card to purchase EOTN online if I paid them in cash.

But it is still $20 more then they would have had that they can use if they sell it too for $50.

Thats the end of the story, lets make it a trilogy so you can have a response.

Not everyone had access to this, I dont think the asian countries did (I could be wrong but im sure i've seen some posts around here relating to it. Fail Number 1. People who wanted the store version of GW:EN did not have access. Fail Number 2 (Read on before flame). People who did not want to waste there money on crap character slots because the games focus is switching to one character now did not have access. Fail Number 3. People who did not have any possible way of getting access to a credit card did not have access. Fail Number 4. People who do not like to buy stuff online anyway did not have access. Fail Number 5.

Need I go on? You've already been ripped apart enough for one post.

I doubt ill see a response but I can hope.

Anet really doesn't win. Because they make less money than they could.

If you had a way to make $10 for something you already had, but instead you decided to do something else which needed no more cost so you only got $1, would you really think you'd won?

You say extra revenue may make GW2 be made quicker, so surely it's in your benefit for anet to get as much as possible, and as such charge a reasonable price for it... £if you sell 250,000 copies at $10 you make a lot more money than selling 1000 copies for $50. Therefore, anet doesn't win by charging $50 for it.

As I already said, the players who want it do benefit in as much as they CAN get it. But, if it was that expensive, I really doubt many people would pay that. So, they either end up paying an overpriced amount and basically being ripped off or they don't get it. So they aren't winning as much as they would by selling it far cheaper.

The people who already have it benefit because they don't want many people to get it for some reason or another, so less people join. But it won't impact on their enjoyment of the game, so there's no major difference to them if it's $50 or something more reasonable.

All of that was in response to saying if it was priced at $50 then it would be best. Even though it keeps everyone slightly happy, it doesn't make anyone happy enough for it to be worth it for anyone. Except in this case people who already have it, because it doesn't actually affect them.

Let's go global, since GW is a global game and consider all fraud to make it easier.

"Experts say the credit card industry loses about $2 billion a year globally due to fraud."

MasterCard and VISA, two of the largest credit card companies, lose
"7 cents of every $100 transacted" to fraud.

That means that .07% of all credit card transactions are a result of fraud. Consider percentages; never consider the amount lost, which is often misleading.

However, this does NOT all result from online theft.

"Loss and theft of credit cards is still the most common way credit card crimes are committed, accounting for 50 percent of credit card fraud at J.P.Morgan Chase & Co., one of the largest credit card issuers in the United States"

And even when fraud does occur online, it happens in two ways:

Fake emails and websites pretending to be a bank or a retailer
A hacker intercepting data sent over https:// and SSL.

Source:http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Finan...d=89746&page=1

Phishing occurs much more frequently. Online encoding for protection of credit card information is very strong

I fixed it for you.

.Actually Asia did have access to it as evidenced by a quoted post about a Taiwanese player who qualified but had to contact support to get his goods, an oversight to be sure and one that Arena Net corrected as they were obligated to. People who wanted the store version of GW:EN had equal opportunity for acces by simply not getting the store version. What the retailer pointed a gun at you and made you buy from him? No of course not. Everyone could have gotten access to a credit or debit card in this day and age of pre-paid credit and debit. People who do not like to buy stuff online have still made a conscious decision to not do so. Not Arena Net's fault. If you are afraid of teh internetz then why do you play an online game where any hacker could apply a little social engineering and do just as much damage as they could if they could crack 128 bit SSL and nab your numbers. Also as to people not wanting to waste money on character slots? Well they have no compunctions about buying it as a separate pack? Why not look at the BMP as the purchase and the slots or whatever as the bonus. Your argument is a straw man construct. Full of fail and weakness and has thusly been ripped apart.

I am looking at it from both sides.

29.99 in the store was required to get the BMP. Anet got:

29.99 - credit card processing = around $27.

Gwen bought in store $39.99

Store ($20) + shipping and boxes sets ($10) + Anet ($9.99)

So anet needs to recoup the cost from the players that didn't buy it online.

So

Store ($20) + shipping and boxes sets ($10) + Anet ($20).

That way anet gets the same amount off of the player. The player can have the content and anet get the revenue. The players that bought during the promotion got it free. So everyone wins.

Here's a response I sorted your post BTW, it was a bit of a chunk of text.

1) Store Version vs. Online Version was the choice the consumer had to make. It was maps + manual + CDs + case vs. BMP. Buyers online had to download everything, people buying from the store didn't. Anyway, ANet wanted people to buy online NOT from a retailer, so that their profits would increase.

2) Buy EOTN. Problem solved.

3) You can use a debit card and a prepaid credit card. Debit cards are much easier to obtain than creditcards, since you can only spend what is on it. A prepaid card is even easier to obtain, although you have to have it mailed to you (at least where I live)

4) That's not a 'fail'. People can’t expect Anet to provide them with everything they need to qualify. Buying online was the price of this pack. Anyway, why don't they want to buy online? Because it's not safe? Well, the online store is.

1000th Post.

Let's all agree to be friends?

Acctually many credit card scams starts in stores and resturants where the cleark/waiter will use a small handheld CC reader to steal your card info, or simply making a contact print of your card and take a note of the 3 digit security # on the back. THEN THEY USE IT ONLINE.

yes get the bubblegum out of your eyes and ears plz.


1. THAT is why the offer coincided with the release of GWEN
so gwen was junk you didn't need?

under-agers options? you know beg, cry, tantrum..snivel...do chores...sling rock...do whatever it is kids do these days to get the means to the ends. that is their option. and it seems like whining on a forum is the way they chose.

if they were reasons..yes..they aren't..they are more like opinions of an adult with no problem solving skills.
grabbing at air.
trying to make other adults see...
something that just isn't there.

it was available to everyone..everyone with at least one campaign...and willing to spend money in the online store...

they are opinions not reasons of sulking adult(s) who missed the bus. why can't you understand that?

you know...I'm beginning to see that more and more 'adults' are not 'adults'...
if they were..they'd not even be mulling this over..they would understand that they missed this bus, chose not to pay to get on this bus, are now stuck with their decision(s) and won't swallow the lump in their throats. -like adults-

(and no, i know there might be like 1 exception to the rule)

yeah that too but 128 SSL, while I won't say it is impossible to defeat, is pretty damned secure. People have this mistaken thing about hackers being these super geniuses that can steal your stuff out of thin air. Truth is they are pretty lazy and take the easiest way which is to rely on human stupidity, you know not checking to make sure you are on a secure site or not checking the credentials of an online merchant to make sure they are up to date with their encryption. The fact remains fear of online purchasing is pretty stupid and a pretty flimsy excuse.

I am well aware of this. This does not, however, qualify as online fraud in the sense we were discussing, since it does not occur "online".

I was referring to information stolen when people attempt to purchase something online or are fooled by phishing sites/emails.

1. Why should it EVER have to be a choice. Its kind of like adding disabled ramps to a supermarket, it increases your output aswell as reputation.
2. See above aswell as re-answer: Why should they waste money on character slots.
3. I'm sure not everyone has access to one of those either.
4. How do you know everything is safe?

I could have bought GW:EN from the store, ill be honest but I didnt want to. I'd rather buy from a shop because thats what I've always done, im not really fussed about the pack but the weps would do for hero weps and the missions I would have liked to have something else to do in the game. If I have a game I like (E.G Oblivion) I'll always get every expansion because I like it, I could here. I wanted the boxed version and I have 9 character slots all full (One was from a free nightfall bonus key from a friend) and the only class I dont have is a monk which I dont want, the point of extra slots would be:?

I guess that after a replying to a few people the same points will be put forward and the same rejected, it wont matter. I'll carry on doing everything in GW:EN and I guess ill have to buy perfect items for my heroes instead of getting them for free :

I dont dis-like anyone over forum banter.

Hey Flubber, still here to bother legitimate players? Instead of wasting your time bothering people, why don't you follow my suggestion?

GO HOME
PLAY THE GAME
ENJOY
DONT' BREAK THE BALLS TO THOSE WHO WANT TO BUY

Is the BMP so short you have already completed everything? Sry for you.

In case you haven't finished it yet

GO HOME
PLAY THE GAME
ENJOY
DONT' BREAK THE BALLS TO THOSE WHO WANT TO BUY

Did not understand that. =] So read my the next post of mine after that.

1. Why should it EVER have to be a choice. Its kind of like adding disabled ramps to a supermarket, it increases your output aswell as reputation.

It creates prestige and increases Anets revenue.

2. Why should they waste money on character slots.

They didn’t have to, because it coincided with the release of EOTN

3. I'm sure not everyone has access to one of those either.

Trust me, they’re sold nearly everywhere now. You get them posted to you and then it’s your responsibility to top them up.

4. How do you know everything is safe?

Because if you get screwed over in Anets store, they’re liable.

I play the game at my leisure, Ty. and just a heads up...Yes the BmP Is that short. unless you want to re-run and get new skins for your Heros. lol.


lmao @ me being called a youngster.. Ty .. I feel Young.