Gametrailers review seems fair

EPO Bot

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/27581.html

It's what most people think about it i guess. But notice how the footage they show is largely from Pre sear...

artay

artay

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australia

The Agony Scene

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I stopped taking gametrailer reviews seriously a long time ago. This pretty much sums my feelings up.

Posted by Suiadan
This "review" is a complete and utter J.O.K.E!

For starters, they showed 2% of footage from the Eye of The North expansion itself, which where part of a preview given out by Arena Net ages before the game came out. All they really showed was them running around with starter character is the starter-areas of the game.

Secondly, how did they miss out on the 18 new multi-level dungeons added and the "few"- meaning, 150, new skills, and 40 new armor sets? Oh right, they didn't play it thats how.

Seeing as the game has been out for months now, and yet they decided to review it- they should've done their job. There's no mentioning the new sound-mechanics, which makes music in-game score to what you are experiencing seamlessly.

Take an example: your group heads off, and meet a large group of enemies. The music scores the scene as nothing yet, because you haven't engaged in battle. When you do, it changes- as in every other MMO/RPG. But, the sound/music-engine also monitors how your group does in th battle. If your having a really hard time beating the enemy, people are dieing and such, the music get's louder heavier. Adding more drums and such, to nail the scene- brilliant!

It looks as if they based their review on basic information found around the internet, and gave it an OK score. (Still can't believe they missed the 18 multi-level Dungeons part tho..)

Everyone, that loves, hates or doesn't have an opinion on this game, should atleast change their view on GT as a gamesite somewhat. To actually release such an unprofessional review on a site that usually get's does a good job on their reviews, is a shame.

I hope I don't e.v.e.r. see this again, do your job!

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

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Quote:
Originally Posted by artay
I stopped taking gametrailer reviews seriously a long time ago. This pretty much sums my feelings up.

Posted by Suiadan
This "review" is a complete and utter J.O.K.E!

For starters, they showed 2% of footage from the Eye of The North expansion itself, which where part of a preview given out by Arena Net ages before the game came out. All they really showed was them running around with starter character is the starter-areas of the game.

Secondly, how did they miss out on the 18 new multi-level dungeons added and the "few"- meaning, 150, new skills, and 40 new armor sets? Oh right, they didn't play it thats how.

Seeing as the game has been out for months now, and yet they decided to review it- they should've done their job. There's no mentioning the new sound-mechanics, which makes music in-game score to what you are experiencing seamlessly.

Take an example: your group heads off, and meet a large group of enemies. The music scores the scene as nothing yet, because you haven't engaged in battle. When you do, it changes- as in every other MMO/RPG. But, the sound/music-engine also monitors how your group does in th battle. If your having a really hard time beating the enemy, people are dieing and such, the music get's louder heavier. Adding more drums and such, to nail the scene- brilliant!

It looks as if they based their review on basic information found around the internet, and gave it an OK score. (Still can't believe they missed the 18 multi-level Dungeons part tho..)

Everyone, that loves, hates or doesn't have an opinion on this game, should atleast change their view on GT as a gamesite somewhat. To actually release such an unprofessional review on a site that usually get's does a good job on their reviews, is a shame.

I hope I don't e.v.e.r. see this again, do your job!
Agreed. Almost every time he mentioned the words "elite" or "high-end" the video was displaying Shing Jea Island or Ascalon. The score is fair enough but the way the review is done gives it very little credibility. It's funny how they neglected to mention some important parts of the game, like... I dunno, Dungeons?

Seren!ty

Seren!ty

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

[iDum]

R/E

"Not a top of the line game, visually" What!? This game has the prettiest graphics I've ever seen in a MMO. Then he follows up by saying that the character costumization is pretty bad... hello? You can't create a new character in this expansion.
I doubt he even played the game, lol.

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Nice armchair review.

Renegade26

Renegade26

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

Yeah the new expansion is all set in Pre Searing, thanks for that terrible review.

Not only was he bad at GW (quick empathy on the dieing enemies!) but he was bad at telling people what GW is about. He simply took what people were saying on forums and put it into a video of pre searing content.

Exhibit A

Exhibit A

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Join Date: Aug 2007

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I love his line about how GW is all about getting you to Level 20 so you can do PvP, as if PvP was the only thing in GW that mattered. If you want to get to level 20 fast to do PvP, you do a PvP character, which starts there. If you pick a roleplaying sharacter, it's probably because you want to play PvE. The great thing about the PvE skills is not having to worry as much about balance issues. EotN was never meant to have a big PvP impact, and he acted like it was the whole focus of GW.

??Ripskin

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

So many things are going through my head.. but one stands out..

THIS GUY SHOULD LOSE HIS JOB

JeniM

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

W/E

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Originally Posted by «Ripskin
So many things are going through my head.. but one stands out..

THIS GUY SHOULD LOSE HIS JOB
Quote of the week right there
Couldn't agree more, that was the worst review i have seen/read in a long time

I loved how he said this expansion doesn't add new gameplay just new missions and quests
duh yea its an expansion thats what they tend to do, also i'd call the mini-games and dungeons a new style of gameplay so personally i think its got more than the average expansion gives

mazey vorstagg

mazey vorstagg

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Nodnol

Meeting of Lost Minds

E/Mo

He completely missed the point that the main attraction of EOTN is th engaging storyline not the 'grind for loot'. Agreed, what an awful and unresearched review.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

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Originally Posted by «Ripskin
So many things are going through my head.. but one stands out..

THIS GUY SHOULD LOSE HIS JOB
Just like most such sites, this guy doesn't have a job to lose, since almost all such positions are voluntary.

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He completely missed the point that the main attraction of EOTN is th engaging storyline not the 'grind for loot'
No, the "grind" and "loot" parts are quite right. There's nothing else in GW:EN besides that.

Saraphim

Saraphim

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Hand of Omega [WHO]

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That review's hilarious, whatever you think of EotN, I don't see the point in critting the cut scenes and graphics while showing pre-searing.

Someone couldn't be bothered to lvl up to 20 and play it methinks.

kradens

kradens

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

:P guess.

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the game doesn't do anything new??? thats so offensive --- the reviewer must be blind.

it looks like the guy didn't even PLAY gw:en. u can see this since A LOT the clips are from the trailers...the ones that belong to him are from the previous games mostly...and mostly from the starter areas. (he was probably trying to get to gw:en from lv zero XD)

man...this just doesnt seem like a fair review imo.

Aera

Aera

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm]

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I kept laughing at his skillbars and equipped weapons.

??Ripskin

??Ripskin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/

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Originally Posted by Aera
I kept laughing at his skillbars and equipped weapons.
I laughed at his placement and talking about high end things.

Then he empathied a dying carrion.

lol.

What a fool, anet get out the ban hammer and smite this fool.

1 up and 2 down

1 up and 2 down

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

Rt/

Like others have said....

THIS REVIEW IS TERRIBLE!

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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This game has the prettiest graphics I've ever seen in a MMO.
Um. No. Eve Online has substantially nicer visuals.

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I love his line about how GW is all about getting you to Level 20 so you can do PvP, as if PvP was the only thing in GW that mattered.
That's the way Guild Wars was originally designed. Back in the olden days the only purpose PvE served (unless you were enjoying the storyline) was to unlock runes, skills, and weapon upgrades on PvP goons. You had no choice: you played PvE, or you sucked at PvP.

They tried to get away from that somewhat with some Proph updates, then tried to jam it back down everyone's throats again with Factions, then tried to get away from it entirely with Nightfall. But you still see a nasty legacy of that horrible design decision every time they make a "skill balance" for PvP players: it often breaks legitimate PvE builds because, originally, the only significant reason to unlock skills in PvE was to use them on PvP characters.

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He completely missed the point that the main attraction of EOTN is th engaging storyline not the 'grind for loot'.
I'm gonna have to say FAIL.

The EoTN storyline is not particularly attractive, IMHO (better than Factions though, at least). Furthermore, the complication of moving that storyline along as you get farther on for non-hardcore players is just too frustrating. EoTN is all about the grind, baby. Grind for titles and prestige items, run instances to try and get nifty loot, little more. The "Destroyers" storyline is just a rehash of the Titans storyline from Proph with different characters and less compelling personalities (way to make one of the primary protagonists and the source of the games moniker a whiny imbecile that nobody in their right mind could conceivably relate to).

Anyway, I can't see the review. I use Flashblock on Firefox and when I click the icon to load it, it just goes white. So, fail for crappy flash applet.

Karyuu

Karyuu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

Kahlifownia

Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS]

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What complications of moving through the GWEN storyline? There are 0 title requirements and 0 restrictions to continue any primary mission.

I was a very casual player when I began and finished GWEN, and all this hullabaloo about it being hard for "non-hardcore players" is absolute bull.

Akuma

Akuma

IRC W H O R E

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australian Trolling Crew HQ, rightful leader and administration

Yale University [Snow]

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MOST PEOPLE REVIEW LIKE THIS, HENCE WHY THE GAME GETS REALLY HIGH REVIEWS, THEY EITHER PLAY FOR 2 HOURS AND SAY IT'S GOOD OR GET THE INFO OFF ARENANET AND SAY IT'S GOOD.

It'd also be nice if the review actually worked :\

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

There are good things and bad things in GWEN. However, this guy didn't actually play GWEN, so his review is pointless.

silv3rr

silv3rr

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Originally Posted by decyx
They already confirmed that it will be. As for my opinion on the game itself, I've been enjoying it a lot. Different strokes for different folks. I played WOW since it was put into beta and stayed on board until season two of arena PVP. That's about three years give or take a few months. Personally, I found GW to be a very refreshing experience. Whereas in WOW you're very limited in build options (a paladin can't be viable in PVP or endgame unless he's holy), GW encourages you to experiment with different specs, attributes, and subclasses.

Both games take skill to play, but GW requires a significant amount of strategy due to its aggro system. In WOW, as long as you have a reliable tank, you should be fine for the most part provided your healers and casters are keeping tabs on their hate accumulation and there aren't any special tricks that come up like in certain endgame instances. Even then, once you get it down, the subsequent runs are usually cakewalk. In GW, the enemy AI is always dynamic. If you spam AoE spells, they'll scatter; if you cast a spell on an enemy causes damage to the other enemies around him, he'll run away to keep them from dying; if you're a caster, you'll be targeted first. If you're used to standing in the back and spamming four or five spells, you'll find GW to be especially challenging.

I'll say this right now. WOW is still a good game and it balances a lot of hardcore and casual elements very well. GW does the same and it has some very unique qualities of its own as well. Unless you've played both with the sincere intention to enjoy them based on their own merits, you won't understand what I'm saying. People who enjoy GW do so for entirely different reasons than those who play WOW. As much as I often agree with GT reviews, I have to say that they've really disappointed me with this one. For one thing, they bring up the lack of new character classes as a negative. It's an expansion pack! NCSoft clearly stated that the purpose of GW:EN was to expand the already well established world by adding in new content, a brand new storyline, more spells, items, and gear. You'd only find new classes in a separate campaign, which this isn't.
This should be posted on every single RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing WoW vs GW thread out there.

But yes, this review sucks monkey-diarrhea-RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO (inspired from AngryVideoGameNerd).

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

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What complications of moving through the GWEN storyline?
Frostmaw's dungeon and the Dredge Slaves quest immediately come to mind. I have consistently failed to get through either with heroes/henches simply because they cannot intelligently kite or interrupt.

Neither is required, of course, and on the weekend I could probably devote the time to doing it with guildies, but it has annoyed me with the ridiculous difficulty (nothing says craptastic level design like two stationary groups of 6-8 level 24 mobs within 1/8 of an aggro circle of each other UP a hill) to the extent that I have no interest in playing GWEN anymore.

GWEN is made of fail and baby tears if you don't have lots of time to devote to it, guildies available at the snap of a finger, or some sort of super-uber skillz the rest of poor "noobs" don't.

In fact, I probably would still try if I thought there was a point. The reviewer mentions grinding for cool stuff... but what cool stuff? Like Hard Mode, the difficulty in GWEN is vastly disproportionate to the rewards. Why should I waste hours grinding through wurms and Stone Summit to get some crappy req 13 gold drop and a gem out of a chest? I could just play normal mode in an original campaign, make much more money in the same amount of time, and buy the cool thing from someone else.

What's really irritating is that there are effectively no significant rewards for playing the storyline. Destroyers are not hard to topple most of the time, so you don't get much out of them. Hooray. I can play the storyline, listen to Gwen gripe until I want to punch her in the nose, and get nothing nifty to show for it except an uninteresting cinematic and maybe something in the as-yet-pointless Hall of Monuments.

Fail. Biggest waste of money since Factions. That's all the reviewer should have said.

The Sender

The Sender

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Execution of War [EoW]

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Originally Posted by Ctb
Frostmaw's dungeon and the Dredge Slaves quest immediately come to mind. I have consistently failed to get through either with heroes/henches simply because they cannot intelligently kite or interrupt.
I haven't come across the Dredge Slaves quest yet, but Frostmaw's dungeon was total breeze with Heroes/Henchmen. You need to work on your team configuration/aggro control if you're having trouble with it. Where the henchmen fail, you need to make up using your own skills and aggro management.

The only time I ever took significent damage was due to a couple of surprise wurm appearances and when Frostmaw suddenly appears. The rest was awesome and challenging, just as a dungeon should be. I didn't use a consumable the entire way and didn't get any DP.

Seriously, with good teammates, it would have been as easy to beat as a rabbit versus a steamroller.

LifeInfusion

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

its 7.2 while I would probably give 7.5-8.2...

BUT

There is a lot of footage that isn't from GW:EN...

The guy playing has a crap skillbar such as a warrior with parasitic bond and deathly swarm along with a bow on a Me/Mo.

The GW:EN stuff isn't even live footage (they are stills and clips from E3).

Hall of Monuments doesn't store stuff and sidequests DONT COUNT.

Grinding for loot? Are we playing the same game?

Sasuke The Betrayer

Sasuke The Betrayer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Angeles

Pink Pearl

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctb
Frostmaw's dungeon and the Dredge Slaves quest immediately come to mind. I have consistently failed to get through either with heroes/henches simply because they cannot intelligently kite or interrupt.

Neither is required, of course, and on the weekend I could probably devote the time to doing it with guildies, but it has annoyed me with the ridiculous difficulty (nothing says craptastic level design like two stationary groups of 6-8 level 24 mobs within 1/8 of an aggro circle of each other UP a hill) to the extent that I have no interest in playing GWEN anymore.

GWEN is made of fail and baby tears if you don't have lots of time to devote to it, guildies available at the snap of a finger, or some sort of super-uber skillz the rest of poor "noobs" don't.

In fact, I probably would still try if I thought there was a point. The reviewer mentions grinding for cool stuff... but what cool stuff? Like Hard Mode, the difficulty in GWEN is vastly disproportionate to the rewards. Why should I waste hours grinding through wurms and Stone Summit to get some crappy req 13 gold drop and a gem out of a chest? I could just play normal mode in an original campaign, make much more money in the same amount of time, and buy the cool thing from someone else.

What's really irritating is that there are effectively no significant rewards for playing the storyline. Destroyers are not hard to topple most of the time, so you don't get much out of them. Hooray. I can play the storyline, listen to Gwen gripe until I want to punch her in the nose, and get nothing nifty to show for it except an uninteresting cinematic and maybe something in the as-yet-pointless Hall of Monuments.

Fail. Biggest waste of money since Factions. That's all the reviewer should have said.
I think its obvious now that EOTN was a scrapped expansion after they decided to make GUild Wars 2. Imo, it was merely for the money, but I appreciate the new content, and the Hall of Monuments. You don't seem to be farming the correct areas to get tons of money. I've made quite a sum since EOTN came out.

Count to Potato

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

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every review only sees fraction of PVE/PvP thats why there bad

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

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Originally Posted by Count to Potato
every review only sees fraction of PVE/PvP thats why there bad
But from the video, the reviewer wasn't even playing GW:EN, he was playing Prophecies and Factions.

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ctb
Frostmaw's dungeon and the Dredge Slaves quest immediately come to mind. I have consistently failed to get through either with heroes/henches simply because they cannot intelligently kite or interrupt.

Neither is required, of course, and on the weekend I could probably devote the time to doing it with guildies, but it has annoyed me with the ridiculous difficulty (nothing says craptastic level design like two stationary groups of 6-8 level 24 mobs within 1/8 of an aggro circle of each other UP a hill) to the extent that I have no interest in playing GWEN anymore.
Um...yeah. H/H-ed both of them, first try. They're really not "ridiculous" difficulty; the game is a lvl20 expansion, it's supposed to be challenging for the most parts. The easy stuff is back in the campaigns. But, here's a hint: try flagging the H/H back and pulling.

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GWEN is made of fail and baby tears if you don't have lots of time to devote to it, guildies available at the snap of a finger, or some sort of super-uber skillz the rest of poor "noobs" don't.
Still just soloing through the entire damn thing. If you're having trouble with the storyline of GW:EN, I don't know how you made it through, say, the realm of Torment.

Lilanthe

Lilanthe

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Wow, they just removed their review. The guy who made it probably got his ass kicked.

Shadow Longstem

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

nice (removal of shitty review)

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

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ROFLMAO

I'm guessing a written apology for the crap review would be asking too much.

Echuu Ishtar

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

Sacred Forge Knights (SFK)

It was a terrible review, but don't blame the reviewer. His name is Brandon, and he's done some great reviews for that site and did a fantastic job with the Final Fantasy and Zelda retrospectives. I would imagine that reviewing an MMO is a lot harder than other genres, since you have to play for awhile to really understand what's going on. I'm going to guess that he didn't even make that video, since his voice over rarely has anything to do with what's on-screen, and that he's just a pawn in some BS attempt to review the game. Judging from his work with the retrospectives (something where he did most of the video editing), I honestly don't believe he would make such a horrible mistake of putting in 80% Factions and Prophecies footage. His skills and weapons are crap but they're just as crappy as Anet's preview for EotN (smite monk attacking with a sword with no sword skills).

This review FTL but Brandon FTW.

1 up and 2 down

1 up and 2 down

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

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Originally Posted by Echuu Ishtar
It was a terrible review, but don't blame the reviewer. His name is Brandon, and he's done some great reviews for that site and did a fantastic job with the Final Fantasy and Zelda retrospectives. I would imagine that reviewing an MMO is a lot harder than other genres, since you have to play for awhile to really understand what's going on. I'm going to guess that he didn't even make that video, since his voice over rarely has anything to do with what's on-screen, and that he's just a pawn in some BS attempt to review the game. Judging from his work with the retrospectives (something where he did most of the video editing), I honestly don't believe he would make such a horrible mistake of putting in 80% Factions and Prophecies footage. His skills and weapons are crap but they're just as crappy as Anet's preview for EotN (smite monk attacking with a sword with no sword skills).

This review FTL but Brandon FTW.
You seem to forget that in Anet's preview they were in dev mode which allowed them to 1 hit everything with their special dev skill...

unienaule

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

One more thing, there's a movie by an ANet guy about GW:EN on that site. As far as I could tell, every "video" of "playing GW:EN" in the "review" was cut out of the ANet video.

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

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Originally Posted by unienaule
One more thing, there's a movie by an ANet guy about GW:EN on that site. As far as I could tell, every "video" of "playing GW:EN" in the "review" was cut out of the ANet video.
Yeah, infringing on copyrighted info = very bad. I don't care who "Brandon" is. His name is still on it. Most likely, that review was taken down by a.net for the site using their intellectual property.

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

I'm sure Brandon is the victim of some bigger conspiracy here. It being the machinations of consumerism makes more sense than it being a random act of stupidity on one persons part.

Someone get Brandon on the phone and lawyer him up!