Axe or Sword, DPS master od Damage

terminus123

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/Me

08 Nov 2007 at 21:35 - 1

I'm thinking about starting a war, and there's the question asked over centuries: axe or sword?

Personally I would just like to know with good skills, over a 10, 20, and 30 second period, who had higher DPS on Master of Damage? axe or sword?

Bobby2

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W/E

08 Nov 2007 at 21:46 - 2

Single target damage: sword > axe.

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

08 Nov 2007 at 21:49 - 3

axe has got higher crit damage, however in PvE you'll be fighting against higher level mobs, so the crit chance is pretty low.
Sword may be a bit better, however doesn't really matter. Just choose the one you like the most.

Tab

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Mo/

08 Nov 2007 at 21:51 - 4

Sword for PvE, Axe for PvP.

Stormlord Alex

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08 Nov 2007 at 22:08 - 5

Sword for PvE.

I've yet to see a compelling reason not to run Dragon Slash + "SY!"

Tab

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Mo/

08 Nov 2007 at 22:12 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Sword for PvE.

I've yet to see a compelling reason not to run Dragon Slash + "SY!" I have. It's boring and I like Evis.

Brian the Gladiator

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Michigan, USA

Us Are Not [leet]

08 Nov 2007 at 22:36 - 7

Eviscerate Warriors have the best DPS in the game IMHO.

[skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill][skill]Disrupting Chop[/skill][skill]Bull's Strike[/skill][skill]Shock[/skill][skill]Frenzy[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

^This is the standard Eviscerate Warrior for PvP.^

[skill]Eviscerate[/skill][skill]Executioner's Strike[/skill] Body Blow [skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]Disrupting Chop[/skill][skill]Tiger Stance[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

^That is a pretty good bar for PvE I would say.^

Note: for some reason Body Blow is not working with the skill thingy so I just typed it.

terminus123

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/Me

08 Nov 2007 at 22:39 - 8

well Eviscerate does look really good, but I there are a lot of posts saying swords due slightly more dmge....

Brian the Gladiator

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08 Nov 2007 at 23:15 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminus123

well Eviscerate does look really good, but I there are a lot of posts saying swords due slightly more damage.... Yes, you would be correct if you said that swords do have a higher DPS than an axe. The only problem with this statement is that it doesn't take into account the superior attack skills that an axe has. The Eviscerate bar that I posted previously in this section is the best all purpose bar for the warrior. What is nice about it is that it gives very high DPS while also being able to charge up on adrenaline and then let loose on a target.

Right now, [wiki]deep wound[/wiki] is the most IMBA condition in the game. A sword requires two skills just to cause this condition where as an axe can do it quickly and apply a load of damage all at once on a target. This is beneficial in both PvP and in PvE.

Apply deep wound quickly is beneficial in PvP because of the obvious reason, it can help kill a target before the monks have a chance to heal it.

Having a quick deep wound is important in PvE as well. Most of the enemies in PvE will die fairly quickly so it is difficult to apply much DPS on the enemies when you rely on skill chains like the sword. If you switch to a target that has half health and you have to put bleading on that target before you can add deep wound, that target will usually die from some one in the party after you hit him with [skill=text]Sever Artery[/skill] and before you use [skill=text]Gash[/skill].

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 01:01 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by terminus123

well Eviscerate does look really good, but I there are a lot of posts saying swords due slightly more dmge....

They do.. if you rely on skills like Dragon Slash. In PvP however, Dragon Slash is pretty hard to make work since there's so damned much blocking going on which totally ruins the constant adrenaline-upkeep that a Dragon Slasher has to perform. For that reason, an Axe is probably a better weapon for PvP. The Eviscerate bars posted have great spike potential, and its not nearly so debilitating to get blocked.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

Note: for some reason Body Blow is not working with the skill thingy so I just typed it. No skills since Nightfall have been given [skill] tags.
Why would you add Body Blow to that bar, though? I think you're misreading the skill... it causes Deep Wound if the target already has Cracked Armor, not the other way around. It has no function on an Eviscerate Axe skill bar, and would be redundant even if it did.

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 02:33 - 11

Swords have better DPS, but the problem is it's not reliable if there's rampant blocking going around, which occurs all too common in PvP.

So, as said, sword = PvE, axe = PvP

Eviscerate is just bad in PvE... if you want to use an Axe in PvE then take Triple Chop.

blue.rellik

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Join Date: Feb 2007

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None

09 Nov 2007 at 03:41 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

farmpig

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 03:44 - 13

Running ds +sy 24/7 365 is too boring so vary your builds. There are 3 (warriors primary) weapons in gw not not 1.

jimmyboveto

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Legion of Avalon

09 Nov 2007 at 04:57 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian the Gladiator

Eviscerate Warriors have the best DPS in the game IMHO. Better spiking capabilities, but they can't compare to the DPS put out by a nice D-slash warrior, especially in PvE. Also, D-slash gives you the ability to run SY effectively, giving you all the more reason to use it in PvE.

ヽ(??ー｀)ﾉ

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Join Date: Oct 2007

09 Nov 2007 at 06:05 - 15

I don't use "Save Yourself!" when I dragonslash (:

DarkDeal

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2007

09 Nov 2007 at 06:33 - 16

Is [skill]Dragon Slash[/skill] better than [skill]Cleave[/skill]? It seems like they would be pretty similar. I seems that Cleave would be more reliably spammable though. I have no experience with either of these skills yet, but I would like to get it straightened out before I choose to go a certain way.

I was planning on taking my character with [skill]Conjure Flame[/skill] and [skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill].

brute blake

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09 Nov 2007 at 06:39 - 17

You'd probably have energy problems running that with sword but I do like my IAS which makes it harder.

I'm not a big fan of Dragon Slash, 10Ad takes awhile to get up without using shouts etc which will burn some energy as well.

Racthoh

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09 Nov 2007 at 06:56 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkDeal

Is [skill]Dragon Slash[/skill] better than [skill]Cleave[/skill]? It seems like they would be pretty similar. I seems that Cleave would be more reliably spammable though. I have no experience with either of these skills yet, but I would like to get it straightened out before I choose to go a certain way. Dragon Slash will fill your other adrenaline skills when you use it, Cleave just does damage and takes a strike from your other pools. Dragon Slash and Cleave would be similar if warriors used them as the only adrenaline skill on their bars.

Mist Walker Skarloc

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Join Date: Apr 2007

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09 Nov 2007 at 07:15 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmpig

There are 3 weapons in gw not not 1. Scythes
Longbows
Hornbows
Recurve bows
Shortbows
Flatbows
Daggers
Spears
Staves
Wands

Since when was Warrior the only profession?

For the OP, take [skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill] with [skill]Dragon Slash[/skill] and every hit you make with it gives you enough adrenaline to use it again. It also charges your other adrenal skills, such as [skill]Flail[/skill] and [skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill]. If you want to get a quick boost of adrenaline as you get into a fight, use [skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill] and [skill]Enraging Charge[/skill] before you begin attacking.

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 08:41 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkDeal

Is [skill]Dragon Slash[/skill] better than [skill]Cleave[/skill]? It seems like they would be pretty similar. I seems that Cleave would be more reliably spammable though. It seems like that, until you actually try Dragon Slash alongside Flail and "For Great Justice!" and realize you're able to use it literally every time your sword swings (as opposed to every fourth time your axe swings), and has a better damage mod on top of that.

A Leprechaun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 17:28 - 21

Enraged Smash hammer bars pack a punch, but out of sword or axe I would go sword with DS but only on master of damage, in PvP there is way too much blocking. I'd go along with what others have said, axe ftw in PvP. In terms of PvE it really doesnt matter what weapon you use, they all work.

~A Leprechaun~

terminus123

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/Me

10 Nov 2007 at 03:28 - 22

alright thanks, guys....sooo.....I've cut my choices to these builds

-Dragon Slash, For Great Justice, Deadly Riposte, and others.....I don't have flail *sobs* no NF

-Eviscerate, cyclone axe, Executioner's strike, For Great Justice, ...and others..

I also should mention I've heard rumors that with 15 or over masterey in sword or axe, axe will do more dmge due to its high critical dmge, is this ture?

Div

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10 Nov 2007 at 07:53 - 23

The only thing that comes close to dragon slash in terms of DPS is triple chop, and that requires multiple targets to be hit. Cleave, eviscerate, or any other axe/sword elites aren't going to be close.