What if it was core professions only - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

09 Nov 2007 at 08:26 - 1

Alot people complain about imba and all kinds of thing, but in my 30 months in this game i find that there wasn't all that much complaining back in the day.

Back then monks were the core of healing and team support, and the other proffesions had thier own role, rangers ganked, warriors attacked and added pressure, and eles spiked and dealt massive aoe. Mesmers basically were the most anoyying profession to be targeted by as they were there to either shutdown or disrupt team builds, and the necro was very versatile profession with curses, blood spikes or death magic.

I sometimes wonder if this game would have been better without the other 4 professions and just more skills getting added through each campaign.

Just it seems hat ever since sins, rits, dervs and paragons have been around, skills balances have been more frequent as these new proffesions invited countless meta, especialy the sin. (dont get me wrong here, i play all 4 proffessions)

Thats just my view on how guild wars went down the drain, proffesions lost roles and it soon became 1 v 1

Pls no flame, just discuss

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

09 Nov 2007 at 09:02 - 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

Alot people complain about imba and all kinds of thing, but in my 30 months in this game i find that there wasn't all that much complaining back in the day.

Back then monks were the core of healing and team support, and the other proffesions had thier own role, rangers ganked, warriors attacked and added pressure, and eles spiked and dealt massive aoe. Mesmers basically were the most anoyying profession to be targeted by as they were there to either shutdown or disrupt team builds, and the necro was very versatile profession with curses, blood spikes or death magic.

I sometimes wonder if this game would have been better without the other 4 professions and just more skills getting added through each campaign.

Just it seems hat ever since sins, rits, dervs and paragons have been around, skills balances have been more frequent as these new proffesions invited countless meta, especialy the sin. (dont get me wrong here, i play all 4 proffessions)

Thats just my view on how guild wars went down the drain, proffesions lost roles and it soon became 1 v 1

Pls no flame, just discuss

Professions didn't kill PvP

ReiNaruto

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

Valencia, Spain

Green Arse Team

09 Nov 2007 at 10:26 - 3

Profession didn't kill PvP, only make harder to keep it alive.

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

09 Nov 2007 at 11:32 - 4

if there were no 2nd professions the game just wouldnt be guild wars.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

E/

09 Nov 2007 at 13:17 - 5

If not for the added professions I think the game would get old a lot faster.
30 months with only 6 professions, there is only so much to do there.

Legacy Virus

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 13:28 - 6

Fried is right, there are only so many skills that have to do with dealing fire/water/electric dmg or axe/sword/hammer dmg...you get where im going witht his.

they would just run out of ideas and there would be no more skills

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

09 Nov 2007 at 13:33 - 7

30 months with only 10 professions, there is only so much to do there.

-Pluto-

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

US

Diversionary Tactics [DT]

Mo/

09 Nov 2007 at 14:04 - 8

I've always felt Necromancers are as bad, if not worse, than any of the classes added from the expansions.

Assassins being the exception. I wouldn't care if they nerfed them so hard, I never saw them in gvg again.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 14:42 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Pluto-

I've always felt Necromancers are as bad, if not worse, than any of the classes added from the expansions.

Is that why they've seen some of harshest nerfs second only to paragon?

Let alone that they make best healers, offer complete melee shutdown, provide infinite party-wide energy and health regen, laugh at enchantments, .....

Quote:

find that there wasn't all that much complaining back in the day

You probably weren't on forums much. Or you still had the rosy glasses on.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

09 Nov 2007 at 14:47 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

Is that why they've seen some of harshest nerfs second only to paragon?

Let alone that they make best healers, offer complete melee shutdown, provide infinite party-wide energy and health regen, laugh at enchantments, .....

That's why they're bad. Things that are that powerful even after subsequent nerfs are not good.

bsoltan

Site Contributor

Join Date: Dec 2005

UK

[SoF]

09 Nov 2007 at 14:47 - 11

You'd still have a problem with balancing if you just added more skills to the primary professions and forgot the rest, maybe not as much as there wouldn't be as many skills. So it is really to do with the number of skills rather than the number of professions.

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 15:29 - 12

Imo Guild Wars needs nothing but core professions. It started without Rits/Sins/Paragons/Dervishes, it can end without them.

Keithark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Be Aggressive B E Aggressive [AGRO]

E/Me

09 Nov 2007 at 15:36 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

Imo Guild Wars needs nothing but core professions. It started without Rits/Sins/Paragons/Dervishes, it can end without them.

I think it needs nothing but rits,sins,paragons and dervishes then maybe they would leave my paragon alone with all the effing nerfs

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

09 Nov 2007 at 15:46 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keithark

I think it needs nothing but rits,sins,paragons and dervishes then maybe they would leave my paragon alone with all the effing nerfs

I agree with him. Get rid of the core professions entirely. Much more enjoyable game IMO.

Olim Chill

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

USA

DMI

N/

09 Nov 2007 at 16:02 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fried Tech

If not for the added professions I think the game would get old a lot faster.
30 months with only 6 professions, there is only so much to do there.

True. I think there's a good selection of professions and that it's not overdone.

creelie

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Alberta

Charter Vanguard [CV]

Mo/

09 Nov 2007 at 16:24 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Olim lll

True. I think there's a good selection of professions and that it's not overdone.

If they had continued with the chapter model, the game would have become nightmarishly obese. I can see why they had to change tracks.

pah01

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Liverpool

Mo/

09 Nov 2007 at 16:24 - 17

Currently the PVP in this game is broken and almost every issue that needs sorting is caused by something from the new professions.

The assasin has made hero battles completely not fun, the class has RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed the whole format up the ass with blood and shit.

The paragon has broken high end gvg and the sin is responsible for making splitting really gay.

The dervish is retarded on its own.

Rit has broken HA more than once.

So...

There we have it.

Joe

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

09 Nov 2007 at 16:46 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by pah01

Currently the PVP in this game is broken and almost every issue that needs sorting is caused by something from the new professions.

The assasin has made hero battles completely not fun, the class has RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed the whole format up the ass with blood and shit.

The reason why so few people like HB is because it is just a runfest.

Quote:

The paragon has broken high end gvg and the sin is responsible for making splitting really gay.

Paragon "broke" high-end GvG because ANet didn't think through most of the skills. Refrains and Echos. They also didn't add any incentive to only use a few. They made it so that the more Paragons you use, the stronger they get. A few key mistakes, doesn't mean that they should not have been added, just that they needed fixed, and they have been....almost every skill update, just not in the right spots.

Quote:

The dervish is retarded on its own.

And so are Warriors and Elementalists. Opinions rule eh?

Quote:

Rit has broken HA more than once.

Thumpers.....Trappers...
IWAY...Steady stance...
Air Spike....SF
Minion Factory...Blood Spike
Smiteball...Zealot's Fire

You were saying?

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

09 Nov 2007 at 16:50 - 19

The reason for imbalance isn't professions, but the dreadful attempt at skill "balancing" done by anet.

Lord Natural

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Canada

Black Crescent [BC]

W/

09 Nov 2007 at 17:01 - 20

How can anyone not like the expansion classes after they've brought us glorious metagames such as: poop & thump, sin split, tree smiting, & invincible paraway.

In all seriousness, teleportation and spirits are my two least favorite game mechanics. Teleportation is just a big f-u to map positioning, one of the key aspects to pvp. Spirits are a bit less of a problem, but I'm still amazed someone throught it would be a good idea to bring back spirit spam after that old tombs build. I actually like where paragons are right now, but at the time of their implimentation, motivation and command were way overpowered. Outside of grenth and tree, Dervish are just bad. Grenth was a joke, and now that it's gonem the class is just a one trick pony (melandru's).

So that's 2 classes based on terrible game mechanics which have the potential to ruin pvp, 1 class which is sort of alright right now, and another which is all but useless outside of 1 elite. Not much to get excited about. Core ftw.

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

09 Nov 2007 at 17:02 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

Thumpers.....Trappers...
IWAY...Steady stance...
Air Spike....SF
Minion Factory...Blood Spike
Smiteball...Zealot's Fire

You were saying?

QFT

/me runs away

Wyrmdog

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Me

09 Nov 2007 at 17:41 - 22

I'd miss my Dervish terribly. You can have my Dervish when you can pry her from my cold dead fingers!

Ctb

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

09 Nov 2007 at 20:21 - 23

I wish they'd just get rid of the ability to set a secondary profession and make the secondary profession for everyone /Mo. As often as I see freaking warriors cast healing breeze on themselves, there must be something to it.

/ bitter about bad AB groups

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

09 Nov 2007 at 20:38 - 24

They'd still be able to keep it interesting, I'm sure. Would it be less balanced? Not sure. They might just go overboard and add a hell of a lot of skills instead.

I'd say that it could be more balanced, though. The classes they have right now are mostly traditional "core" RPG classes (with the exception of the Mesmer. I'd say that with the Assassin.)

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

09 Nov 2007 at 20:42 - 25

The only difference between the game now between if there were only six would be people whining for more new character based content. New Skills/Armor Etc.

The new classes seem to be all buffed up versions of old classes.

Ritualist: Cross between an MM and an Air Ele
Assasin: Basically an Axe Spiking Tank with worse Armor, or a Curses Necro with more effective Spells.

Dervish: Tank with All AoE Axe Attacks and more energy.
Paragon: Cross between a Tactics Warrior and a Healing Monk.

Painbringer

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

Minnesota

Black Widows of Death

W/Mo

09 Nov 2007 at 20:51 - 26

If only one class for your character Memsers would be awesome since the rest of the classes could not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out the inspiration line

Pirates Arrrg Matey

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2006

N/Mo

09 Nov 2007 at 21:16 - 27

I like the core professions and if they didn't have them then I probably wouldn't be playing Guild wars. I like playing all the classes, I just like the core ones best.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

09 Nov 2007 at 23:28 - 28

I don't think anyone would miss anything if it didn't exist personally I could live with out the 4 new profs.They did give us other skills for secoundaries but I think we might of seen more skills for the core.It is not only skill balance it is party balance as to who get in.Sins and Dervs always whine when they don't get into a parties the reason a lot of the hate towards Warriors.It has been said in the forums much like how a Rit can out heal a Monk or be a better MM than a Necomancer.Then there is the Ranger and Paragon debate.

When a skill balance comes most of the new profs cry over it than the core.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

10 Nov 2007 at 00:42 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

I don't think anyone would miss anything if it didn't exist personally I could live with out the 4 new profs.They did give us other skills for secoundaries but I think we might of seen more skills for the core.It is not only skill balance it is party balance as to who get in.Sins and Dervs always whine when they don't get into a parties the reason a lot of the hate towards Warriors.It has been said in the forums much like how a Rit can out heal a Monk or be a better MM than a Necomancer.Then there is the Ranger and Paragon debate.

When a skill balance comes most of the new profs cry over it than the core.

[skill]Mending[/skill] is the reason for all of the Warrior hate.

Edit: and the reason new profs cry more over the nerfs is they are more brutal. When a new professions skills get nerfed, they are just screwed. When a core professions skill gets nerfed, they just move to the next best thing. New professions don't have next best things. This isn't because of the new professions themselves, more so ANets hesitation to add more to their skill pool, and buff the horribly underpowered skills that make up 50% of their current skill pool.

Edit2: Continuing the thing about new profs skill pools, what is it with new skills being added to a profession that are made to counter that profession? Smoke Powder Defense, thanks for adding a new assassin skill that is made for secondary assassins to counter assassins. Shield of Force, gee, thanks for making a Dervish skill that secondary Dervishes can use to counter heavy hitting opponents that use things such as, oh I don't know, scythes.

Cixpak88

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

USA

Mo/

10 Nov 2007 at 02:25 - 30

Restore game balance; delete factions characters

Well kinda... Frustration factor went up a bit when Factions came out. I remember not wanting to throw my computer out the window as often as now in pvp

Not that the game was totally balanced then, but it was more balanced.

No problem with with Para's and Dervs.