Mhenlo nerf/buff

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Snaring Web will suck, as will Migraine from the Wind Riders.

Aside from that *shrug*.

Onarik Amrak

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon Warrior
I can only hope that LoD nerf is only temporary...
Yep. 2s cast is just ridiculous.

wetsparks

wetsparks

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

2s cast lod in an area like the asuran lands with all those raptor assassins running around in groups of 4+ with interrupts will be pretty much hell.

VinnyRidira

VinnyRidira

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Ridirian Guides

W/Me

What is the point of the LoD nerf? Is it another of those stupid PvP imbalance things?

A_Muppet

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Yes. And Heal Party is 2 seconds, I really don't see what the damned fuss is about. Heal party may heal for more but it's also triple the cost.

Auron of Neon

Auron of Neon

cool story bro

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mililani

yumy

And nonelite. Which means you can pack more energy management (the classic example being Ether Prodigy).

I think hitting LoD's heal amount and making it only activate at 75% HP or something would have been better, 2s cast is just ridiculous.

ParanoidDenny

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

EOM

Yet again the numpty at Anet strikes, again can i state, to get people playing a game, your game, is to make it fun, constant bloody nerfs for the sake of it are tedious in the extreme, FFS how many more times does this have to happen before you really start to drive people away in droves?

For the love of god leave the damn game alone!

Whirlwind

Whirlwind

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2007

Wolven Empire

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
Why not just let us make the hench bars before going out to explore!!

One can dream
Because thats the same as having 7 heroes and most people dont like the idea, sigh =(

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlwind
Because thats the same as having 7 heroes and most people dont like the idea, sigh =(
Most do NOT like it?

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Yes 776 78.54%
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Holly Herro

Holly Herro

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Kangaroo-land.

Blades of the Dingo [AUST]

Sealed deck skill bars.

/signed

mafia cyborg

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

S E V E N H E R O E S F T W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Milennin

Milennin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Europe

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11 Heroes FTW (for the ones who also want to try Urgoz's Warren and The Deep).XD

dont feel no pain

dont feel no pain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Uk,Wales

Holy haste + Lod = Semi Win?

I wouldnt have thought that it would make it even better than before, I always ran holy haste anyways.

pls no flame <-- I have to say this because 1/2 guru people flame at everything, evens pics of kittens...

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
Holy haste + Lod = Semi Win?
Might prop up Mhenlo if we took away his divine intervention and vigorous spirit so he didn't end it all the time. But it's not going to save the LoD hybrid bar, which is what really has people up in arms... (For the record, I think the LoD hybrid bar deserves to die. Your team should have to dedicate 1/2 of its backline skillslots to healing.)

Back on topic, I think I'd rather not put holy haste on Mhenlo just to salvage LoD. His AI has never handled LoD well. IMO, WoH Mhenlo > old LoD Mhenlo >>> new LoD Mhenlo.

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pls no flame <-- I have to say this because 1/2 guru people flame at everything, evens pics of kittens...
Yeah, they do. Sad isn't it?

KvanCetre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

The Madison Scouts

E/Mo

Calling it Grind of the North is definitely helping your point. Do you also refer to Microsoft as M$? Boy, you really showed ANET

Auron of Neon

Auron of Neon

cool story bro

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mililani

yumy

Quote:
Originally Posted by KvanCetre
Calling it Grind of the North is definitely helping your point. Do you also refer to Microsoft as M$? Boy, you really showed ANET
So telling the truth hurts my case how? They made it a lolzpve grind game, me calling them on it isn't going to hurt anyone.

You can't see me

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

I agree, Mhenlo needs a new elite.

But for all those complaining about LoD, it's called Holy Haste. Look it up. Win fights with LoD.

zwei2stein

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by You can't see me
But for all those complaining about LoD, it's called Holy Haste. Look it up. Win fights with LoD.
Well, not realy. holy haste is answer when you make simple bar like henchies have which is designed to be 1/2 retarded.

For reall monk bar, prot/heal hybrid bar, you simply cant use holy haste.

NeHoMaR

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

I can't believe we are still using crap henchies with fixed skill bar, just 8 skills versus hundreds available in game, with the heroes technology already in game, and they don't add the full hero team??? %&$#~€ God!!!!

The 7 heroes is maybe the most popular request in GW history, I read something about that every single day!! and look it will never stop.

Ah! and LoD nerf is in one word: Crap.

LoD is ELITE, so why make it the same as Heal Party? just less energy for the elite status??? no thx. Oh! and Heal Party recharge in 2 sec, LoD on 5 sec. LOL?????!!!???!??

DOCB22

DOCB22

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

[SGC]

[email protected] I thought Mhenlo was our tank!!! :P

Warskull

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2005

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I wouldn't change mhenlo until the balance changes become permanent. These is still a chance "Oh god, what have I done?" will set in with A.net. However, if the balance changes stay mhenlo should be converted into a Word monk for GWEN as LoD was nerfed into oblivion.

Skuld

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by dont feel no pain
pls no flame <-- I have to say this because 1/2 guru people flame at everything, evens pics of kittens...
Because asking people not to flame is going to do anything. If anything, putting something so moronic is going to get you more burnt.

Auron of Neon

Auron of Neon

cool story bro

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mililani

yumy

ANet heeded my cries. Thanks much guys

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates/20071113

"Changed the elite skill used by the henchman Mhenlo in Eye of the North to Word of Healing."

Sekkira

Sekkira

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canberra, AU

Quote:
Originally Posted by Auron of Neon
ANet heeded my cries.
Yep, now you can have a WoH monk that still sucks.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

I really would jyst like if LoD could have a 1s cast time again since 2s just makes it phailage anyway. And ofc then give it back to Mhenlo.

WoH sux vs all the Degen in GWEN.

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

Yes, GWEN is harder now. There were quite a lot of mobs that caused massive party degen that Mhenlo really stopped dead with LoD.

But well... the change to WoH was not a blessing, just the confirmation that LoD is now problematic, especially for hench and hero monks.

Gigashadow

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

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WoH is fine on Mhenlo, but improve some of his other skills. You know the two monk henchies will be used together all the time, so give both of them prot/healer hybrid bars that synergize well.

bhavv

bhavv

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2006

Woh is nowhere near as good as LoD was. Have you even played GWEN? Degen is everywhere, mobs of mandragors with poisen, bleeding + Ulcerous lungs, the AoE damage from chars and other mobs, and ofc the mass burning against destroyers.

In H/H, you are very limited with only 3 hero slots, LoD on a henchmen made a huge impact on improving a H/H teams survivability in GWEN.

The only prot/healer hybrid that really synergised well was an LoD prot monk. Actually, the only monk bar that worked well had LoD on it, obviously why it got nerfed, but the 2s cast time is still ridiculous.