Can you make a pull here? Haven't used this site too much do not sure how do do that. But put your opinion in anyways.
I got into this argument during AB with someone that out of the blue said 'Touchers are Noobs'. Aside from the fact that even though her (from character) that this is the stupidest argument in the game. (If you say that stop it)
I think that it is perhaps the funnest if not best ranger build i have pvp with. I've done pretty much them all that our out there. I use a slightly modified version of the one you can find on the wiki sites.
So leave your comments.
Are toucher's dead?
Tines
Rexion
*begin troll moment*
well since Michael Jackson is still alive, guess not
*ends troll, serious starts here*
Meh, people are just getting sick of touchers because the get their butts handed to them. If you are the toucher, you get some good laughs and PvP. If you are the touched, well you might just be complaining about stuff.
I wouldn't worry about it... just play as you want.
You didn't pay about $50 a game to be told "NO! you can't play like this... you must do it my way, or not at all!" Well, that is my mentality...
well since Michael Jackson is still alive, guess not
*ends troll, serious starts here*
Meh, people are just getting sick of touchers because the get their butts handed to them. If you are the toucher, you get some good laughs and PvP. If you are the touched, well you might just be complaining about stuff.
I wouldn't worry about it... just play as you want.
You didn't pay about $50 a game to be told "NO! you can't play like this... you must do it my way, or not at all!" Well, that is my mentality...
ax mastery
They are extemely easy to play, its very hard to be bad enough to die on them, and they dont serve any special function. BA ranger in killfests like AB and cripshot in places involving tactics (aka gvg) are much harder to play well, and much better if played well. In conclusion, touchers are noobs. Occasionally fun to play though i must admit.
Edit- Good point in the post above, if you dont care about any of that, go ahead and play them. I'd recommend taking some time to learn to play the game if you want to pvp though.
Edit- Good point in the post above, if you dont care about any of that, go ahead and play them. I'd recommend taking some time to learn to play the game if you want to pvp though.
yum
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Originally Posted by Tines
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Define reliable. As I've said elsewhere, I don't get to play the game with a ping of less than 500ms. With practice you learn to predict when something's going to happen and fire your interrupt *before* you actually see what you want to interrupt. With practice it approaches reliable (i.e. it actually becomes feasable).|
that this is the stupidest argument in the game. (If you say that stop it) That's you. Mr Pvper
toucher are in general noobs, because almost every person who plays one is a noob attempting to win in the easiest cheapest way possible. Touching takes no skill and thats why people play it- cause they're really crappy at playing any complicated pvp build and keep losing to their own created builds. I dont use touching because it is nooby and rigged, i prefer playing a real build that is much more versatile and harder to play than a toucher.
But other than that, touchers are not dead and noobies continue to play them. It is effective but easy to counter if u can mass deg+ slow em or use diversion or something [because most touchers are noobs, they are easy to kill by a hit run tactic]
Washi
Its a noob friendly build thats all. But I don't really get it why people get so upset when they face a toucher in arenas. I mean it's not overpowered, it's actually very easy to kill if you try to think and not button mash.
If you die to a toucher then that makes you a noob, unless your build really has nothing to counter it. But usually people just try to kill it like any other enemy and that's why they fail. If you stand there and let him tuch you or even better if you put condiotions on him... well you just put those on yourself. I actually sometimes play a toucher on RA just to have a good laugh at people who fail to use their brain. Mister O
Soon or later, touchers population will be greatly reduced because of a rare disease spreading among them, which they get it from touching in RA.
Seriously, touchers can only deal decent damage if his opponent don't have self heal/healing support. I always enjoy mocking them in RA (while playing as the yellow monk above) 'dude! you just touched a yellow baldy' or 'dude! I dont know you love touching a naked yellow tattooed baldy' etc etc 
zling
touchers are only hated by N00Bs who actually die against them...
if you are a smart player you will know how to deal with touchers: snare, interrupting OoB(not that hard), d-shot, diversion, kiting(with speed buff usually), heck even E-Denial works as touchers rely on spamming rather cheap(due to expertise) skills but still spamming them so eventually they run out of energy. if you are a N00B you will use: blocks, armor buffs, blind and other conditions, try to out damage them, ignore them while they pound your sorry ass into the ground so if you're so pissed with touchers learn to play please... yum
dude... no1 gets mad at touchers (at least the people I know, I don;t know many though
). It's a noob build, like SP. That's the fact. The OP asked for the fact and he got it.
moriz
personally, i believe anyone who still play a toucher is a retard.
there are so many other idiot-proof builds out there, and many of them surpass the toucher in just about every way. examples are SP sins, and DA sins. they are just as easy to play with about 10 times the fire power. they are much harder to counter too. why anyone would play this build, when there are better choices available that are just as easy (or even easier) to play, is beyond me. maybe they enjoy being bad. who knows.
KazeMitsui
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Originally Posted by zling
interrupting OoB(not that hard)
you can interrupt a .25s cast no problem?
Div
Touchers still work, but there are more retarded things people can run in GW now, so why run a toucher? :P
Originally Posted by zling
Quote: interrupting OoB(not that hard)
so if you're so pissed with touchers learn to play please... Then teach me how to play. If you can interrupt my OoB consistently without giving me crap like migraine+arcane conundrum+frustration+daze, I'll give you a couple dozen ectos. And I'm pretty sure the best guilds around the world will recruit you as their interrupter.
Mist Walker Skarloc
I've interupted OoB on a toucher before. My friend made me jump on TS and I pressed the 3 Key. Savage Shot on OoB, best fluke ever.
zwei2stein
They were just obsoleted and left back by power creep, thats it.
XiaoTheBlade
Gotta love when you hit a d-shot on vamp touch, then savage on touch straight after <3
glountz
Touchers are okay. They are a subpar build that is easily counterable. Espêcially since now any semi-competent monk have big healing power (prot only have died), enough to overheal very easily the low (but uncounterable) DPS of a Toucher. As such, play one if you want but be warned there are a lot more powerful rangers build out there and just as skillless (minus interrupts) as touching. BHA or BA ranger being some.
Diddy bow
Touchers are good in a 4v4 setting, beacuse of the attack and survivibity combo. SP sins and stuff dont have that so its shield bash>GG. Other RANGER builds on the other hand can have better attack and still keep the survivibility just easier to counter with anti melle hexes ect (which is on every second bar in RA though)
Fun to see the wammos going "OMG Nub tochr!" ^^. Evalbane
I think the title says it all. It is way less fun to play when you have a gauntlet of 20 spirits to go through before you even see another player. Besides, is anything really noob? Isn't a 55 monk a noob because he can kill anything? If it is in the game and not nerfed it isn't noob. If it is a glitch of some sort then it is noob.
poobert
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Originally Posted by Diddy bow
Fun to see the wammos going "OMG Nub tochr!" ^^.
Thats why people play with them. Too many warriors/melee characters around with no kd/stance removal.
A touchers bar is basically: 2x vamp touch, Oob. That means crap loads of slots for whirling defence, dodge, lightning reflexes etc. Makes them invincible to a good 60% of all AB'ers. There is nothing noob about playing with a build that works. (talking about AB here. doesnt say much at any rate....... this is the place where if you run an actual wammo wammo you tend to have a higher survivability than everything but an earth tank)
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by zling
interrupting OoB(not that hard)
Why bother interrupting OoB? If you have them crippled, poisoned, and bleeding and they want to sac some more life, I say let them.
I understand and respect that touchers are a viable build that works against idiots... But they are nothing more than prey items for real Rangers who know how to play their class properly.
You can't see me
Touchers?
I'd say they are nearly dead in PvP, though they can be used for pressure and a decoy target. Why? Because they are easy to counter, BUT, I will say that there's nothing like a toucher when the other team has a Deadly Arts Shadow Form Assasin. Touchers piss them off badly.
Hong Kong Evil
i dont think touchers are noob, but i dont like this build
yes they have the disadvantages of melee attackers and they cant spike but this build is still annoying, they will not miss, we cannot block them, all defensive skills are useless in front of them.......... yes i agree mesmers and necro can be more annoying, but i still believe ranger should use weapons instead of being a vampire if a necro can run the toucher build with the same efficiency, i accept it Tyla
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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
I understand and respect that touchers are a viable build that works against idiots
roll in the ele tank!
anyways.... [skill]crippling shot[/skill] > touch rangers unless theres some retard who doesnt know how to run away from the snared toucher that is
Sprites
it's fun to play it sometimes ^^
or even farm with it , but it's not fast 
Performance Pudding
i love being a touch ranger
but i do brg a pet for some interupts and extra damage. plus my polar bear is bigger than my ranger is so thats always fun. lol
bungusmaximus
Touchers are nice for the heck of it, but it's a weak class really. Smart players kill them without trouble. If you like a little idiot bashing, for heavens sake roll a toucher, game is about fun too
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Bowstring Badass
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Originally Posted by Mister O
Soon or later, touchers population will be greatly reduced because of a rare disease spreading among them, which they get it from touching in RA.
Seriously, touchers can only deal decent damage if his opponent don't have self heal/healing support. I always enjoy mocking them in RA (while playing as the yellow monk above) 'dude! you just touched a yellow baldy' or 'dude! I dont know you love touching a naked yellow tattooed baldy' etc etc
/win imo great picture lol. Touchers are just annoying I usually just avoid them or try my combo if I think it will work. Zahr Dalsk
My word on touchers is that Assacaster > Touch Ranger.
Also, since their touch skills aren't attacks, Warmonger's Weapon > Touch Ranger.
Rambler
There's nothing wrong with being an idiot on a toucher, it's great fun because you get so much "OMG NUB TOUCHR" from people.
There are definitely stronger builds, but in AB touchers are still very feasible, especially in multiples and supported. To mess around with in AB we often run a Cripshot/2x Toucher/Monk team, and while it may not be the most effective build possible it does a pretty good job annihilating most AB'ers. (Although that doesn't say much). jaeharys targaryen
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touchers are only hated by N00Bs who actually die against them...
i'll take "no fukcign way for 500, alex" |
touchers dont exploit bad players, they exploit bad situations. when you are playing in an arena(or a battle) with less hexbased snares than presearing, where monks are uncommon, and where antiblocking is nothing if not inefficient, a toucher is going to win. you are almost definetly a "self hating" toucher who validates his total noobosity by sayign good players can kill you. wrong. good situations kill those disgusting things, not good playersA(cept for water eles).
Miss Mikame
Im not exactly a pro but 4 a ranger i like this tactic quite nicely.
"Throw dirt" is toucher skill right. Anyone who gets too close for comfort i.e. an assassin or warrior. U want to get out cos you are ranged not a tank built for close combat. Use Throw dirt. they all get blinded+ a huge attack minus and then you have the opportunity to get to a better position. What im trying to say is that toucher skills are good in combo with other skills or specific situations. Honestly i have no problem. If u are good with a toucher build and u kick ass with it then you are seriously good in my opinion. Who Gives if you get OMG toucher all the time, they are just steamed cos u gave them a real whipping.
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Miss Mikame
Honestly i have no problem. If u are good with a toucher build and u kick ass with it then you are seriously good in my opinion.
I'm not going to comment on whether or not playing a toucher makes you a "good player" or not, but I would just like to point out that if you use Observe Heroes' Ascent and top GvG matches, you'll almost never see a touch ranger. Outside of Alliance Battles, RA's, and occasionally TA's, they seem to vanish. There's a reason for that.
Sheriff
Nobody mentioned it yet but... what about touchers in PvE?
I am just guessing that a party of, say, 4 touchers and a few utilities (healers, BiP, etc) on PvE could be interesting? Fhlamin Scythe
touchers are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO sucking pieces of shit with no imaginstion. Why are there so many noobs in AB when you can have a real kickass build you DIDNT snatch off pvx. EVERYONE who copies builds from pvx is a dirty anus licking cocksucker.
MAKE YOUR OWN BUILDS! p.s: i make all builds myself, i can own any caster. broad head with silencing shortbow and lightning reflexes makes a pretty kickass build
Bankai
People don't like touchers because they're the only build that takes less skill to play than SP sins.
Instead of 1234567, it's 4121212123121212123121212123.
tmakinen
I'm not ashamed to confess that I played a toucher in RA throughout the FPE (Factions Preview Event weekend). To my knowledge I was the first to use the standard bite-touch-OoB combo (didn't meet anybody doing the same, people seemed to be more interested in trying out the new professions) and since the monk meta by then was dominated by boon+RoF spamming, a toucher went through a monk like a chainsaw. It was a new thing (there had been touchers before but the doubled touch was what made it nasty), people didn't know what to do with it and I was greeted with a lot of OMGWTFHAX - wasn't called a noob, though.
Never played that in RA again but it sure was fun for a while
Shuuda
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Originally Posted by Fhlamin Scythe
p.s: i make all builds myself, i can own any caster. broad head with silencing shortbow and lightning reflexes makes a pretty kickass build
Well, post your whole build, and I bet I could whip out a better BHA build from PvX like a "cocksucker", Also Magebane is more kickass than BHA nowadays. BHA is only spells, Magebane (w/ D shot) is anything.
malko050987
I don't do PvP, but in PvE I use touch skills.
The OoB version for some melee farming, and sometimes the Melandru's Resillience for farming Glacial stones. Don't see any reason to use the Necro touch skills aside from that, though. Throw dirt rocks, but only to buy me time to get away to Bow range. Aside from that, stick arrows in them from far away while you melee friend carves them to pieces. Oh, and yeah, being a toucher takes no skill at all. It IS simply button mashing. Doesn't make it any less fun or useful, though. Elrien Silentfoot
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And I'm pretty sure the best guilds around the world will recruit you as their interrupter. |
That said, it's much more fun to degen the toucher to death before they can reach you... and as a matter of course I don't take crippling attacks into RA either.
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Originally Posted by Mist Walker Skarloc
I've interupted OoB on a toucher before. My friend made me jump on TS and I pressed the 3 Key. Savage Shot on OoB, best fluke ever.
LMFAO!
Monk of Myrodin
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Originally Posted by Sheriff
Nobody mentioned it yet but... what about touchers in PvE?
I am just guessing that a party of, say, 4 touchers and a few utilities (healers, BiP, etc) on PvE could be interesting? When I play with my guild in PvE there is this one guy that will consistantly take a touch ranger. It can be useful in PvE since it is armor ignoring damage against those annoying earth ele and 120+ armor level warriors. He also is a makeshift tank if we cannot get a true warrior since he has some survivorability, not recommended for the very high end areas though. |
