mesmers have good and bad elites, just like every other class. as for nightfall having no good ones, try visions of regret.
i'd have to say paragons have the worst elites. the only one i actually used (before i stopped playing it) was soldier's fury. and it wasn't even that good. paras get to choose what "best of the worst" elites to use.
What class do you think has overall the worst elites?
Miss Puddles
Sakkaku Kaikou
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The paragons only usless elite is incoming imo.
Sins have a few but id say monk... ... [skill]Unyielding Aura[/skill]steal ure ecto ... And there are others but this seems to be the worst of it. |
But yeah, I'd have to say Ritualist, too. Except when using specially tailored builds (like a build that uses Spirit's Strength), I never even use the Ritualist elites. I'll go to Necromancer, Mesmer, or Monk before I use some of them. :P
ValaOfTheFens
Assassins have plenty of good elites. A friend of mine farms with Flashing Blades quite successfully and another used Palm Strike well. I think the notion of something being "good" is largely subjective. My Sin only used Flashing Blades...because I'm not far enough with her to cap Mobieus Strike. 
I gotta agree that Paras and Rits have the worst. I decided that my Ranger would cap all the Paragon elites because Rangers are better Paragons than real Paragons. I wish Rits had more Channeling elites. Oh well...I'll cap Lightning Surge and pretend its Channeling. Maybe ANet will release more elites in a future update. Cuz some classes really need a buff.
I gotta agree that Paras and Rits have the worst. I decided that my Ranger would cap all the Paragon elites because Rangers are better Paragons than real Paragons. I wish Rits had more Channeling elites. Oh well...I'll cap Lightning Surge and pretend its Channeling. Maybe ANet will release more elites in a future update. Cuz some classes really need a buff.
Konrow
Rits. Most rits builds i've seen or used don't really need their elite, have no elite, or use another profession's elite. Rit elites for the most part are weak and not very needed.
Darkobra
Either ranger or ritualist. Well, Broadhead Arrow is useful. Ritualist is just... Meh.
Pyro maniac
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Actually they use it for bar compression.
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does the same, only what elite would you use then ...
Martin Alvito
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[skill]dark prison[/skill]
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Winstar
Rangers have a lot of good elites. Considering both PvE and PvP uses
Ranger:
Good: Barrage, Broad Head arrow, burning arrow , crippling shot, escape, glass arrows, heal as one, melandrus arrows, oath shot, poison arrow, practiced stance(this is a bit of throwback), rampage as one, smoke trap, spike trap
I'd say rits and sins have the fewest quality elites to make use of
Ranger:
Good: Barrage, Broad Head arrow, burning arrow , crippling shot, escape, glass arrows, heal as one, melandrus arrows, oath shot, poison arrow, practiced stance(this is a bit of throwback), rampage as one, smoke trap, spike trap
I'd say rits and sins have the fewest quality elites to make use of
Snow Bunny
It's assassins/ritualists.
Probably rits.
They just have OoS and VwK
Probably rits.
They just have OoS and VwK
Darmikau
I guess the Ritualists are getting the most hate. Personally my Ritualist is both my most and least used character. He's my oldest character that I haven't deleted at one point or another, and I used to use him all the time, now not at all.
I'm not sure if I stopped playing him because I didn't like the way he looks armor wise, but I believe it's probably moreso because he was a ritlord, and once they beat that skill with the nerf bat I had nowhere else to turn to. Being somewhat of a noob at that time I didn't have the money to afford new skills for changing my build. Honestly while Ritualists have some pretty bad elites, I think it's more of a thing that people aren't getting elites to work with them.
That said, [skill]Preservation[/skill] is still one of my favorites. It may have much to be desired, but the healing can help in pressure situations, and it's got an awesome icon to boot.
I'm not sure if I stopped playing him because I didn't like the way he looks armor wise, but I believe it's probably moreso because he was a ritlord, and once they beat that skill with the nerf bat I had nowhere else to turn to. Being somewhat of a noob at that time I didn't have the money to afford new skills for changing my build. Honestly while Ritualists have some pretty bad elites, I think it's more of a thing that people aren't getting elites to work with them.
That said, [skill]Preservation[/skill] is still one of my favorites. It may have much to be desired, but the healing can help in pressure situations, and it's got an awesome icon to boot.
free_fall
I don't think rits are getting hate here, it's just being pointed out that we have so few really good elites that most of us run without them.
One might even say that rits are so awesome, we don't need no stinking elites.
That said, Spirit's Strength is actually quite nice.
One might even say that rits are so awesome, we don't need no stinking elites.
That said, Spirit's Strength is actually quite nice.
aapo
It's either Paragon or Ritualist. Both professions have fewer and poorly designed elites compared to core professions. Elite Song of Restoration heals for same as non-elite Heal Party. Healing power of Protective Was Kaolai is inferior to either skill. But then again when Healer's Boon got buffed, Healer's Covenant got left to total trash status. I don't think Izzy even cares to check related skills when he alters parameters of some.
Qual
Paragons......
garethporlest18
Rits.
Oh and Simple Theivery is a brilliant skill in RA with the other 2 spell stealers. Kept my team in the game by stealing rez signets.
Oh and Simple Theivery is a brilliant skill in RA with the other 2 spell stealers. Kept my team in the game by stealing rez signets.
street peddler
are you kidding me rits dont have the most useless elites...OoS, VwK, Weapon of remedy, Spirit Light weapon, Spirits strength, DwG, Attuned was songkai.. list goes on.
Imo mesmers and paragons have the highest useless to useful elite ratio..maybe even dervishes too because they hardly ever branch out beyond the avatars and reapers sweep..
Imo mesmers and paragons have the highest useless to useful elite ratio..maybe even dervishes too because they hardly ever branch out beyond the avatars and reapers sweep..
You can't see me
Mesmers and ritualists, without question.
HawkofStorms
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Sleeper Service
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You do realize that pure gold has an incrediably low melting point for a metal right? (/end off topic science rant)
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Sirius-NZ
I would say Ritualists as well... I have one, and have always found the elite was the "uhhh what do I really need" one... None of the elites are actually necessary for any build - you build it around the normal skills and then if there's a good elite to take you do so.
Problem is, most of the elites are barely useful. Clamor of Souls is nice for a channelling rit, but to use it you have to get closer than I'd like. Many of the elites give you energy gain - but many ritualist builds don't need to worry about managing energy at all because the spells barely cost anything!
So yeah, when the build is irrelevant to whatever the elite is - or when you would consider swapping the elite out for a normal skill because it's actually better - I'd have to say the elites are pretty useless. I haven't seen any other class that gets quite so bad.
Problem is, most of the elites are barely useful. Clamor of Souls is nice for a channelling rit, but to use it you have to get closer than I'd like. Many of the elites give you energy gain - but many ritualist builds don't need to worry about managing energy at all because the spells barely cost anything!
So yeah, when the build is irrelevant to whatever the elite is - or when you would consider swapping the elite out for a normal skill because it's actually better - I'd have to say the elites are pretty useless. I haven't seen any other class that gets quite so bad.
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You do realize that pure gold has an incrediably low melting point for a metal right? (/end off topic science rant)
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he was referring to acidity,gold is non reactive and thus does not corrode...
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who cares about what class has the "so-called worst elites." as long as your playing style is allowing you to be somewhat-good and have fun doing so, then that is ALL that matters.
arcanemacabre
Eh, the fact that bad elites exist to begin with (a few worse than even normal skills) is a travesty. I mean come on: Plague Signet, Balthazar's Pendulum, Extend Conditions? Please.
Darmikau
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who cares about what class has the "so-called worst elites." as long as your playing style is allowing you to be somewhat-good and have fun doing so, then that is ALL that matters.
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On another note, I see people saying Mesmers a lot. IMO, Mesmers have a bounty of wonderful elites, even if most are found in Prophecies only. Power Block is one of the most wonderful skills I've ever used. The energy cost of 15 is practically nothing when you can completely shut down most nukers and monks for almost 20 seconds.
warcrap
elementalist.
fowlero
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elementalist.
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reasoning please.
Ysabeth Noirelune
I'd go with mesmers, but rits are not far behind.
Darmikau
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Count to Potato
Considering Eviscerate, Crip Slash, Dragon Slash, Dev Hammer, Earth Shaker and Backbreaker as the elites used by wars in PvP, not much choice, but Rits have worst for PvE/PvP, spirit Channeling, Ritual Lord (after nerf), Signet of Ghostly Might (after it was godly) Grasping was Kuurong, Destructive and all those kinda useless, only like Weapon of Remedy 
Nevin
Paragons have the worst elites.
Rangers most definitely do not.
Rangers most definitely do not.
Guns Up!
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I'd go with mesmers, but rits are not far behind.
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Catrion-Leyt
My vote for worst elites: ritualist.
I'm not too familiar with mesmer or paragon elites, so I have to go with the class that I know has terrible elites. When I was searching for the elite to complete my Channeling build, I found nothing. It went something like this:
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Maybe I can find a Restoration elite to help my groups or myself? Well, Preservation seems like it might help in a long fight, but I intend to make fights short. Let's go back over the Channeling elites...
Alright, let's search for an AoE spell...Clamor of Souls is one. All right! I found one. Let's go with it. Wonderful, yes. I'm happy, I know I am.
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So, in conclusion, the ritualist class has the worst elites.
I'm not too familiar with mesmer or paragon elites, so I have to go with the class that I know has terrible elites. When I was searching for the elite to complete my Channeling build, I found nothing. It went something like this:
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Maybe I can find a Restoration elite to help my groups or myself? Well, Preservation seems like it might help in a long fight, but I intend to make fights short. Let's go back over the Channeling elites...
Alright, let's search for an AoE spell...Clamor of Souls is one. All right! I found one. Let's go with it. Wonderful, yes. I'm happy, I know I am.
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So, in conclusion, the ritualist class has the worst elites.
You can't see me
I would not say paragon elites are in the worst. On their own, they may seem like it, but they synergize well with other skills at an alarming rate.
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I would not say paragon elites are in the worst. On their own, they may seem like it, but they synergize well with other skills at an alarming rate.
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couldnt agree more! i think some of the paragon skills are even amazing, DA, SoR,Anthem of Guidance,Angelic Bond,Even Cruel Spear(i considered this skill as a ranged Eviscerate).
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I don't think that Paragon elites compare favorably to those of the core classes, but having 15 elites against their 35 will do that.
Phoenix Tears
Rits 100% ...
i miss really some kick ass attack elite ghosts, that work similar to bloodsong, only a bit stronger, or attacks quicker, or can be summuned more than only once, or finally ghosts, that follow they master > phantoms
I really would wish me an Elite for Ritualists, like this:
[E] Bloody Mary > 25E, 3c, 60r
The Ritualist will summon a Mirror. 3 Seconds after the Summon, after the Ritualist has spoken out 3 times "Bloody Mary", she will appear out of the Mirror.
Bloody Mary will have Level 10-15 and will follow the ritualist for 20-50 seconds
Whenever the Ritualist takes physical damage, 25% will be absorbed from it by Bloody Mary. Whenever BM absorbs physical damages, she will scream a very loud shout out, that will hit all nearby foes for 15-30 lightning damage. This damage has 15% Armor penetration and hexed foes will start bleeding for 5-15 seconds.
such elite ghosts would be awesome ...
i miss really some kick ass attack elite ghosts, that work similar to bloodsong, only a bit stronger, or attacks quicker, or can be summuned more than only once, or finally ghosts, that follow they master > phantoms
I really would wish me an Elite for Ritualists, like this:
[E] Bloody Mary > 25E, 3c, 60r
The Ritualist will summon a Mirror. 3 Seconds after the Summon, after the Ritualist has spoken out 3 times "Bloody Mary", she will appear out of the Mirror.
Bloody Mary will have Level 10-15 and will follow the ritualist for 20-50 seconds
Whenever the Ritualist takes physical damage, 25% will be absorbed from it by Bloody Mary. Whenever BM absorbs physical damages, she will scream a very loud shout out, that will hit all nearby foes for 15-30 lightning damage. This damage has 15% Armor penetration and hexed foes will start bleeding for 5-15 seconds.
such elite ghosts would be awesome ...
draxynnic
Of the various classes, Mesmer, Ritualist and Paragons are the only ones where I've ever looked at a build (including party build) and thought "You know, maybe a non-elite would be more useful than an elite here." However, Mesmers get Echo, so in a situation where a non-elite really is more useful than an elite, they can grab Echo in order to have two copies of whatever non-elite seems most useful for a particular situation, at a much lower cost than Arcane Echo. Essentially, Mesmers are saved by having an elite just for those times when another normal skill would be more useful than an elite.
With the Ritualist... I find that I can usually find something. Ritlord may have been nerfed out of the spirit spamming role, but it's still useful for things like, for instance, keeping the recharge time on Recuperation low enough to be kept up constantly without 15-16 Restoration (and, incidentally, making it easier to replace if destroyed). For more mobile battles, I find there are still plenty of skills that provide interesting options (bringing Caretaker's Charge and Renewing Surge is an amusing option for missions that require carrying a particular item, for instance...)
The Paragon is the only class where I've really felt that I really would be better off with a nonelite skill. While that's partially be due to the quality of their non-elites, it also reflects the synergistic nature of many of their elites - sometimes, it really is hard to see how any of your elite skills are really going to help (or, at least, how they're going to help more than nonelite skill X). So I'm probably going to come down on the Paragon as having, overall, the least useful elite set.
(It probably doesn't help that they've only had one campaign to source elites from... after all, a disproportionate number of the 'good' Ritualist elites are in Nightfall rather than Factions. A fourth influx of elite skills may well have allowed the Paragon to fill in the gaps.)
With the Ritualist... I find that I can usually find something. Ritlord may have been nerfed out of the spirit spamming role, but it's still useful for things like, for instance, keeping the recharge time on Recuperation low enough to be kept up constantly without 15-16 Restoration (and, incidentally, making it easier to replace if destroyed). For more mobile battles, I find there are still plenty of skills that provide interesting options (bringing Caretaker's Charge and Renewing Surge is an amusing option for missions that require carrying a particular item, for instance...)
The Paragon is the only class where I've really felt that I really would be better off with a nonelite skill. While that's partially be due to the quality of their non-elites, it also reflects the synergistic nature of many of their elites - sometimes, it really is hard to see how any of your elite skills are really going to help (or, at least, how they're going to help more than nonelite skill X). So I'm probably going to come down on the Paragon as having, overall, the least useful elite set.
(It probably doesn't help that they've only had one campaign to source elites from... after all, a disproportionate number of the 'good' Ritualist elites are in Nightfall rather than Factions. A fourth influx of elite skills may well have allowed the Paragon to fill in the gaps.)
chowmein69
i say paragon , i only used focus anger, and song of resto
Guns Up!
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Rits 100% ...
i miss really some kick ass attack elite ghosts, that work similar to bloodsong, only a bit stronger, or attacks quicker, or can be summuned more than only once, or finally ghosts, that follow they master > phantoms I really would wish me an Elite for Ritualists, like this: [E] Bloody Mary > 25E, 3c, 60r The Ritualist will summon a Mirror. 3 Seconds after the Summon, after the Ritualist has spoken out 3 times "Bloody Mary", she will appear out of the Mirror. Bloody Mary will have Level 10-15 and will follow the ritualist for 20-50 seconds Whenever the Ritualist takes physical damage, 25% will be absorbed from it by Bloody Mary. Whenever BM absorbs physical damages, she will scream a very loud shout out, that will hit all nearby foes for 15-30 lightning damage. This damage has 15% Armor penetration and hexed foes will start bleeding for 5-15 seconds. such elite ghosts would be awesome ... |
Lord Sojar
Rits for sure. Although, I must say that most of the para elites are.... not so hot. Eles do have some extremely USELESS elites, cough... ether renewal...cough
ensoriki
Assassin.
Its just that 1 Skill brings the entire thing down....way down.
Worse than ether prodigy/renewal.
Wastrels Collapse.... you know how it is.
You have the positive....and then the high Negative turns Everything into a negative....
Sin elites were +400 Awesome, wastrels is -9000
So yup...sin's elite status is at -8600
I don't make the rules.
But other than sin?
Rit.
Its just that 1 Skill brings the entire thing down....way down.
Worse than ether prodigy/renewal.
Wastrels Collapse.... you know how it is.
You have the positive....and then the high Negative turns Everything into a negative....
Sin elites were +400 Awesome, wastrels is -9000
So yup...sin's elite status is at -8600
I don't make the rules.
But other than sin?
Rit.