Although i see so little paragons and people dont wanna play them for missions...
Is there sumthing bad about them or what?
Question about paragons...
Exhonour
Im sry but it seems to me that paragons are so unpopular, I dont understand why tho. I dont have nightfall but if i did id make a paragon for sure, using adrenalin skills, pimp armor, distance seems awsome, it really sounds like a warrior in a way
Although i see so little paragons and people dont wanna play them for missions...
Is there sumthing bad about them or what?
Although i see so little paragons and people dont wanna play them for missions...
Is there sumthing bad about them or what?
Exhonour
If i ever get nightfall ill be sure to make on
Racthoh
The only problem with paragons is the number of people who aren't aware of what they can do.
JoeKnowMo
The PvE community's decisions are guided by the numbers they can see.
Most of the great things Paragons do like buffing party armor or increasing party critical hit %age aren't noticed because the game doesn't provide numbers to show the effects of these shouts.
Most pve monks focus on healing prayers over protection prayers for this reason as well.
Most of the great things Paragons do like buffing party armor or increasing party critical hit %age aren't noticed because the game doesn't provide numbers to show the effects of these shouts.
Most pve monks focus on healing prayers over protection prayers for this reason as well.
Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo
Most of the great things Paragons do like buffing party armor or increasing party critical hit %age aren't noticed because the game doesn't provide numbers to show the effects of these shouts.
Most pve monks focus on healing prayers over protection prayers for this reason as well.
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By golly, we need melee characters to "tank". Assassin dies a lot, der. We needsa more nookas because we have no damage. Zomgzors we died, we need another monk. chris da warrior
paragons are the pwnage, i honestly don't see why no one wants them in party? doesn't make sence
Puzur
I think the answer is partly found in the explanation given by JoeKnowMo and Racthoh, ppl dont see what a paragon does for a team and if the other ones do lots of damage they start spamming about how superior their builds are without even considering that much of that comes from the paragon.
One other explanation could be that there are many players that dont know how to play a paragon right and only use them as a warrior with a spear. Imo those are the ones that gives the rest of the paragons bad reputation. Much like the ones that played assassin as tanks without using the proper skills and gave the assassin bad rep
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by Puzur
One other explanation could be that there are many players that dont know how to play a paragon right and only use them as a warrior with a spear.
Actually a pretty good use for a Paragon, they've got warrior-equivalent DPS (read: stupid high damage)
The bad Paras are the ones with 12 Motivation and 3 Spear Mastery, and who think that Aggressive Refrain sucks.
SleepyLuxon
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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Actually a pretty good use for a Paragon, they've got warrior-equivalent DPS (read: stupid high damage)
The bad Paras are the ones with 12 Motivation and 3 Spear Mastery, and who think that Aggressive Refrain sucks. So true! seriously if you think the spear is there just for adrenaline gain then your mistaken a good Paragon helps with both offense and defense. Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by Puzur
One other explanation could be that there are many players that dont know how to play a paragon right and only use them as a warrior with a spear. Imo those are the ones that gives the rest of the paragons bad reputation. Much like the ones that played assassin as tanks without using the proper skills and gave the assassin bad rep
I see so many Paragons with 7 attack skills and a rez, and claim how great their build is. : /
Diddy bow
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Originally Posted by Omniclasm
I see so many Paragons with 7 attack skills and a rez, and claim how great their build is. : /
A warrior with 7 attack skills would suck too
 . But yea a mixed role is by far the best for a para, full motivation? Get a monk. Command? Alone its pretty inneffective. Leadership? Again cant do much alone. Also pure spear mastery is done better by a ranger. But when you mix you get the best prof in the game =D.
XiaoTheBlade
My first decent para shield was motivation, so I started off experimenting with just leader/moti/spear + occasional tactics. Still works to this day.
I only use 2 motivation skills though, and I can probably ditch those now I've achieved legendary survivor
kullwarrior
Paragon, like Sin simply dont get popular is because most cant understand what theyre for. Sins turns unexpectedly to a tank Para to a warrior. Im sure anyone who have play HA in organized group involves in para will realize how powerful it can be. Assiting Spike, Unstrippable defense, and even healing. Sins is just the same. People are using it wrong in pve, You Shadowstep/run to the enemy after tank esbalish and kill one of their caster, shadowstep back and wait till your ready again.
xiaotsu
They're in the same boat as mesmers, for the most part. Great profession, terrible reputation from PvE morons.
Stormlord Alex
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Originally Posted by kullwarrior
People are using it wrong in pve, You Shadowstep/run to the enemy after tank esbalish and kill one of their caster, shadowstep back and wait till your ready again.
Actually, they tank crap with Crit Defenses + Crit Agility, and do stupid damage with DB/Moebius spam. Even better.
MercenaryK
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Originally Posted by Omniclasm
I see so many Paragons with 7 attack skills and a rez, and claim how great their build is. : /
You've mentioned this twice from what all I have read. Please, humor me and post a crazy person's build
Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by MercenaryK
You've mentioned this twice from what all I have read. Please, humor me and post a crazy person's build
Just imagine 7 random attack skills, and rebirth. Then the person claiming how they are better than a Warrior.Bored so.... [skill]Swift Javelin[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Barbed Spear[/skill][skill]Harrier's Toss[/skill][skill]Unblockable Throw[/skill][skill]Mighty Throw[/skill][skill]Slayer's Spear[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill] With the reasoning of....I like to keep using attack skills to do a lot of damage.
ironox
Taking my new paragon through Cantha to pick up my Kurzick skills. I have to work hard to NOT get Masters on the missions. I got lost in Arborstone, took the route with all the dredge, still got Masters easy. Tahnakai Temple was a snap. The combination of good, fast DPS and constant partywide defensive buffs just lets you steamroller.
OTOH if you party up with idiots who run out of earshot, it can go badly. Also, if you want to use "They're on Fire!" it really helps to have some folks who can lay down the burn. Basically, a Paragon may take a little more coordination with the rest of the party to use, but the results are awesome. But if playing with J. Random PUG, without coordinating builds and discussing tactics, you might be as effective as an MoP/Barbs Necro partied with a bunch of Eles. Gaia_Hunter
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Taking my new paragon through Cantha to pick up my Kurzick skills.
Why? Cant you just go to your guild hall and get them from the reward guy?
Wish Swiftdeath
Paragons are PvE gods
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ed_PvE_Paragon
street peddler
luv da paragons
Nyktos
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Originally Posted by Gaia_Hunter
Why? Cant you just go to your guild hall and get them from the reward guy?
Only if he already has a Kurz/Lux rank and his guild is allied to a faction.
Improvavel
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Originally Posted by Nyktos
Only if he already has a Kurz/Lux rank and his guild is allied to a faction.
He needs to get a kurzick/luxon rank 1 either in gh or house/cavalon.
ironox
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Originally Posted by Improvavel
He needs to get a kurzick/luxon rank 1 either in gh or house/cavalon.
Aaaaagh. I have Kurzick R3 - I just never even thought of the Faction NPC in my Guildhall. Doesn't really matter though - I wanted to get "Friend of the Kurzicks" out of the way on this character and also I was only Kurzick R2, wasn't going to bother with SY until it was 4 seconds, and despise doing FFF. So doing all the quests and clears was a fun way to get the next level on that.
Now to win about 25 AB's this weekend to get Spear of Fury up to 3 adreniline
The Meth
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Originally Posted by Exhonour
Im sry but it seems to me that paragons are so unpopular, I dont understand why tho. I dont have nightfall but if i did id make a paragon for sure, using adrenalin skills, pimp armor, distance seems awsome, it really sounds like a warrior in a way
Although i see so little paragons and people dont wanna play them for missions... Is there sumthing bad about them or what? People don't like a class that has skills able to make the whole party invincible while still dealing damage on par with warriors? Apparently most of pve players are actually incredibly good who like to gimp their parties to make it more of a challenge. V A R D A R
I have a paragon, and I think that paragons are completly underrated. Also I think the reason male paragons are so unpopular is the they wear skirts.
Terraban
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Originally Posted by The Meth
People don't like a class that has skills able to make the whole party invincible while still dealing damage on par with warriors? Apparently most of pve players are actually incredibly good who like to gimp their parties to make it more of a challenge.
My friend just joined a PuG for fun in Gate of Pain....
He was the monk, and the team had 7 Dervish. The Dervish claimed that they did not need a second monk because they all had monk secondaries. Not much else to be said.
Biostem
I love how proactive I can be w/ my Paragon - ok, so we'll now get healed the next time we take damage, get healed for the next spell we use, your next 2 attacks will remove a condition, oh, and just for fun, you'll set enemies on fire w/ your next attack.
A paragon is basically a really badass motivational speaker. Except this one throws sharp sticks at other people and doesn't wear pants. Pants? Pants!? Pants are for wimps!!! Anyway, the key is combining a good way to keep the adrenaline coming in, and keeping AR going via shouts & chants. That's not even considering how you can keep a never ending supply of energy coming. My only complaint is that i wish we could dye the white parts of the armor instead of the trim... V A R D A R
lol. RRRRIIIIIPPPP ah the breeze feels good!
upier
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Originally Posted by xiaotsu
They're in the same boat as mesmers, for the most part. Great profession, terrible reputation from PvE morons.
No, no, no.Paragons are actually good! Vale Todo
I'm fairly new to GW (started playing 08/07), but so far I've seen Paragons are the hardest to play with since its the only proffesion where you cant play great by just doing one thing only. You have to do everything and no one will ever notice it. Fight, heal, defend, revive ASAP,absorb damage from whoever is about to die , then defend again, help other players gain more adrenaline and energy. I dont even know why Paragons have the 2nd proffesion option.
Jessica The Mesmer
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Originally Posted by Vale Todo
I'm fairly new to GW (started playing 08/07), but so far I've seen Paragons are the hardest to play with since its the only proffesion where you cant play great by just doing one thing only. You have to do everything and no one will ever notice it. Fight, heal, defend, revive ASAP,absorb damage from whoever is about to die , then defend again, help other players gain more adrenaline and energy. I dont even know why Paragons have the 2nd proffesion option.
You are completely right,paragons can be the substantial back -bone of a team...and the team not even notice it! But the place where it is easily recognized is HoH.....go look at some of the para build....enough said
Gambit Shinobi
I would say Monk and Ritualist is probably harder to play... >.>
Kwan Xi
I've used a Paragon Build with 12 Motivation and 0 Spear Mastery, I didn't use Aggressive Refrain I primary loaded it with Healing and Support Skills.
The Bottom Line: the Paragon is a Support Class. "SUPPORT" as in you help the Team fill a gap that is needed. If a team needs extra healing (ie: 1 monk in the group) Go motivation and load up with healing skills. Command Paragons help provide buffs to players, and Groups that need extra damage use Spear paragons. Just like Monks support with Protect or Healing, Ritualists Spirit Spamming, Damage Dealing, or Healing. Paragons need to fulfill a team's needs either Healing, Buffing, or Damage. Just comes down to what groups need and Adapting your build to help the team out.
Kwan Xi
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Pants? Pants!? Pants are for wimps!!!
Uhhhhh... yeah... about that... thats why my Paragon's a Female. I just can't take those guys seriously in their shiny metal skirts and Mid-Drift bearing breastplates. My personal opinion but I think only girls have the ability to look great with exposed mid-drifts, and skirts.
Terraban
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Originally Posted by Kwan Xi
I've used a Paragon Build with 12 Motivation and 0 Spear Mastery, I didn't use Aggressive Refrain I primary loaded it with Healing and Support Skills.
Then you failed at Paragoning....unless this was before the Motivation nerf in which case it could be worthwhile.
Kwan Xi
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Originally Posted by Terraban
Then you failed at Paragoning....unless this was before the Motivation nerf in which case it could be worthwhile.
No offense isn't that kinda short sighted?
When asked to go Motivation my standard build would be 12+ Motivation but I supplement my skills like with Tactics Shouts, Condition/Hex Removal, or of course Spear Skills. Never tried serious PvP with it except RA with good success but It works well in PvE. You say I failed as a Paragon I only look at the fact that as a Motivation Paragon I keep my team at full health, I never get complaints from the people I play with, and I get an occasional "gj" after a mission or quest..... so yeah I don't know.
Turtle222
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Originally Posted by Kwan Xi
No offense isn't that kinda short sighted?
When asked to go Motivation my standard build would be 12+ Motivation but I supplement my skills like with Tactics Shouts, Condition/Hex Removal, or of course Spear Skills. Never tried serious PvP with it except RA with good success but It works well in PvE. You say I failed as a Paragon I only look at the fact that as a Motivation Paragon I keep my team at full health, I never get complaints from the people I play with, and I get an occasional "gj" after a mission or quest..... so yeah I don't know. i agree with you. i personally focus on reducing the overall damage by using shouts and chants from para and warrior...or in other cases/ para monk
Gambit Shinobi
Don't worry, Kwan Xi, some people like to bash others when they don't conform to cookie-cutter builds.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Kwan Xi
I've used a Paragon Build with 12 Motivation and 0 Spear Mastery, I didn't use Aggressive Refrain I primary loaded it with Healing and Support Skills.
Mind posting your build?
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