Hey everyone,
I'm been playing GW for about 2 yrs now and haven't had any problems when I played. But now I feel I want to step up my game and get a better video card.
Currently, I'm running on Intel Integrated Graphics (Go ahead Laugh now)
So I'm planning on buying a new video card in the not too distant future.
I only need an entry - medium level card nothing high-end also around the price range $100-200.
Any Suggestions Guys?
Thanks
I'm planning on buying a new video card...
sagilltwins
alexkapi12
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Originally Posted by sagilltwins
Hey everyone,
I'm been playing GW for about 2 yrs now and haven't had any problems when I played. But now I feel I want to step up my game and get a better video card. Currently, I'm running on Intel Integrated Graphics (Go ahead Laugh now) So I'm planning on buying a new video card in the not too distant future. I only need an entry - medium level card nothing high-end also around the price range $100-150. Any Suggestions Guys? Thanks |
Lord Xeshm
What are you using PCI, AGP, or PCI-E?
sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by Lord Xeshm
What are you using PCI, AGP, or PCI-E?
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reverse_oreo
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Originally Posted by sagilltwins
um..... i don't know? how do i find out?
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LuckyStripe
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Originally Posted by sagilltwins
um..... i don't know? how do i find out?
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I suggest this card (asuming your card is PCI-E). Even if your card isnt PCI-E you probably do have a PCI-E slot. It hits your max price after the rebate, tell me if this is a problem.
EVGA 256-P2-N765-AR
sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by reverse_oreo
Seeing as you use integrated graphics, who is the manufacturer of your PC. Also the model number of your PC. This way we can find out what slot your video card will take.
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reverse_oreo
According to your model, you have a pci express 16x expansion slot. The card that lucky stripe suggested is quite good. MIght be a little bit pricey for you, but it is dx10 compatible so you will be able to run all the current games, providing the rest of your system holds up. You might want to look into upgrading your ram as well, only 512 might cause the vid card to not run at full potential. I also noticed that your pc only has a 300W power supply (PSU), might want to see if that vid card upgrade will be handled properly by your PSU
LuckyStripe
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Originally Posted by reverse_oreo
According to your model, you have a pci express 16x expansion slot. The card that lucky stripe suggested is quite good. MIght be a little bit pricey for you, but it is dx10 compatible so you will be able to run all the current games, providing the rest of your system holds up. You might want to look into upgrading your ram as well, only 512 might cause the vid card to not run at full potential.
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sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by LuckyStripe
Keep in mind DX10 is no beter than DX9 if you dont have vista. Sagill has 512MB of RAM so I take it that he/she does not have Vista or would want to run Vista.
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lordpwn
Forget about GeForce 8600 cards, they always sucked - too slow for any real DX10 games, not a cost-efficient solution for non-DX10 stuff, and now that Nvidia has the ~$220 GeForce 8800GT (about twice as fast) out there's just _no_ point in buying a GeForce 8600 card, GTS or not.
Unless you're planning on putting together a new comp from scratch, in which case the 8800GT would be a good idea, just get a cheap GeForce 7900.
Unless you're planning on putting together a new comp from scratch, in which case the 8800GT would be a good idea, just get a cheap GeForce 7900.
LuckyStripe
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Originally Posted by lordpwn
Forget about GeForce 8600 cards, they always sucked - too slow for any real DX10 games, not a cost-efficient solution for non-DX10 stuff, and now that Nvidia has the ~$220 GeForce 8800GT (about twice as fast) out there's just _no_ point in buying a GeForce 8600 card, GTS or not.
Unless you're planning on putting together a new comp from scratch, in which case the 8800GT would be a good idea, just get a cheap GeForce 7900. |
reverse_oreo
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Originally Posted by lordpwn
Forget about GeForce 8600 cards, they always sucked - too slow for any real DX10 games, not a cost-efficient solution for non-DX10 stuff, and now that Nvidia has the ~$220 GeForce 8800GT (about twice as fast) out there's just _no_ point in buying a GeForce 8600 card, GTS or not.
Unless you're planning on putting together a new comp from scratch, in which case the 8800GT would be a good idea, just get a cheap GeForce 7900. |
sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by LuckyStripe
Buying a 8800GTS would be the best thing to do but the limit is $150. You can buy the 8600 GTS and use NVIDA's step up plan to get a 8800 GTS over time for cheaper than it would be to actualy upgrade.
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reverse_oreo
ok i lied that card is still 300 bucks. nvm
sagilltwins
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150249
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150229
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131066
would any of these be good for me? They are fairly cheap too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150229
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131066
would any of these be good for me? They are fairly cheap too.
Tachyon
Nobody is taking account the PSU and/or the actual physical size of the PC's case. That PC comes with a 305W PSU, which is probably a generic no-namer that may struggle with modern graphics card on top of everything else. Not to mention the fact that it might not even have the extra PCI-e power cabling that a more modern card may require. I know my 7900GS requires a dedicated PCI-e power lead.
Also, graphics cards these days are pretty large and may not actually fit in the case physically.
Just a couple of things to think about.
Also, graphics cards these days are pretty large and may not actually fit in the case physically.
Just a couple of things to think about.
sagilltwins
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Nobody is taking account the PSU and/or the actual physical size of the PC's case. That PC comes with a 305W PSU, which is probably a generic no-namer that may struggle with modern graphics card on top of everything else. Not to mention the fact that it might not even have the extra PCI-e power cabling that a more modern card may require. I know my 7900GS requires a dedicated PCI-e power lead.
Also, graphics cards these days are pretty large and may not actually fit in the case physically. Just a couple of things to think about. |
LuckyStripe
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Originally Posted by Azagoth
Nobody is taking account the PSU and/or the actual physical size of the PC's case. That PC comes with a 305W PSU, which is probably a generic no-namer that may struggle with modern graphics card on top of everything else. Not to mention the fact that it might not even have the extra PCI-e power cabling that a more modern card may require. I know my 7900GS requires a dedicated PCI-e power lead.
Also, graphics cards these days are pretty large and may not actually fit in the case physically. Just a couple of things to think about. |
Heres a pic of what it connects to on the vid card to give u an idea if you arent sure what this means.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowIm...-AR+Video+Card (4th Pic)
Brother Andicus
I wouldnt make a move quite yet. New cards from ATI and Nvidia are due out over the next 10 days or so.
Of particular interest to you should be the new 256Mb version of the 8800GT.
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=203926
305W is really a weak PSU though. If it were me, i'd go for a short term upgrade to something like a 7600GS/GT and then upgrade do a bigger overhaul once the next gen cards arrive.
Of particular interest to you should be the new 256Mb version of the 8800GT.
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=203926
305W is really a weak PSU though. If it were me, i'd go for a short term upgrade to something like a 7600GS/GT and then upgrade do a bigger overhaul once the next gen cards arrive.
dont feel no pain
the best low priced one i know is the ATI Radeon X1650 ($80)
its very cheap for its performance and qaulity =]
its very cheap for its performance and qaulity =]
Quaker
I'd have to say that, since you've been using integrated graphics, almost any modern PCIe card would be a great improvement. You're biggest concern is probably the power supply. It, no doubt, had some headroom in it for upgrades, but you've used up some of that with the extra RAM.
As a general rule-of-thumb, you might want to look only at cards that don't require an separate power plug. Even then, some of the higher end models might overload you PS.
Edit - after looking it up, the Sony specs for the computer say 305 watts minimum power. That may be the actual power consumption of the stock computer. You should open it up and see if the power supply has a label on it stating the maximum power available.
(The power supplies maximum rating is not the same as it's power consumption - if you put a 750 watt PS in that computer, as it is now, it would still only consume 305 watts (plus a bit for the extra 1gig RAM))
As a general rule-of-thumb, you might want to look only at cards that don't require an separate power plug. Even then, some of the higher end models might overload you PS.
Edit - after looking it up, the Sony specs for the computer say 305 watts minimum power. That may be the actual power consumption of the stock computer. You should open it up and see if the power supply has a label on it stating the maximum power available.
(The power supplies maximum rating is not the same as it's power consumption - if you put a 750 watt PS in that computer, as it is now, it would still only consume 305 watts (plus a bit for the extra 1gig RAM))
LuckyStripe
Correct me if I am wrong but... Most/General ATI cards use more power to do anything compared to NVIDA card right? We are working with a 300 wat PSU.
Most NVIDA cards have beaten ATI card on the benchmarks (Keep in mind ATI will most likley beat nvida in steam games by a little because of driver support) but in 'general' gaming, evga uses less power and stays cooler.
Most NVIDA cards have beaten ATI card on the benchmarks (Keep in mind ATI will most likley beat nvida in steam games by a little because of driver support) but in 'general' gaming, evga uses less power and stays cooler.
sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by Quaker
I'd have to say that, since you've been using integrated graphics, almost any modern PCIe card would be a great improvement. You're biggest concern is probably the power supply. It, no doubt, had some headroom in it for upgrades, but you've used up some of that with the extra RAM.
As a general rule-of-thumb, you might want to look only at cards that don't require an separate power plug. Even then, some of the higher end models might overload you PS. Edit - after looking it up, the Sony specs for the computer say 305 watts minimum power. That may be the actual power consumption of the stock computer. You should open it up and see if the power supply has a label on it stating the maximum power available. (The power supplies maximum rating is not the same as it's power consumption - if you put a 750 watt PS in that computer, as it is now, it would still only consume 305 watts (plus a bit for the extra 1gig RAM)) |
Tachyon
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Correct me if I am wrong but... Most/General ATI cards use more power to do anything compared to NVIDA card right? We are working with a 300 wat PSU.
Most NVIDA cards have beaten ATI card on the benchmarks (Keep in mind ATI will most likley beat nvida in steam games by a little because of driver support) but in 'general' gaming, evga uses less power and stays cooler. |
LuckyStripe
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Ok, you're wrong!
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azizul1975
i use the 7600GT and got average 60+ FPS on average high graphic setting (no AA)
GW is not so heavy in terms of graphic like Oblivion. Oblivion makes me scream when it jerks.
but if you can afford it, get 7950GT (errr..is there such thing?)
GW is not so heavy in terms of graphic like Oblivion. Oblivion makes me scream when it jerks.
but if you can afford it, get 7950GT (errr..is there such thing?)
KZaske
If it were me, I would hold off for now. Check out the power supply, if the max rating on the psu is less then 550 replace it. Then a month or so later get an 8800GT.
As for other cards, stay away from the GS series of cards. No, there is nothing wrong with them, my 7900GS (a two hundred dollar plus card) performes at lower fps than azizul11975 7600GT. If I could have found one, I would have gotten a GT for a few dollars more.
As for other cards, stay away from the GS series of cards. No, there is nothing wrong with them, my 7900GS (a two hundred dollar plus card) performes at lower fps than azizul11975 7600GT. If I could have found one, I would have gotten a GT for a few dollars more.
QoH
8800GT is the best buy atm if you also want to play with recent games, but consider that next month(dec 3.) the new GTS will be launched than probably the GTX.
Quaker
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Originally Posted by LuckyStripe
Correct me if I am wrong but... Most/General ATI cards use more power to do anything compared to NVIDA card right?
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The Way Out
Entry level medium card... what kind of bus... PCI-E or AGP?
If PCI-Express, go with a
Nvidia GeForce 7300GT (PNY)
40$ after rebate from tigerdirect.com
Best bargain card I've seen out as of yet.
Let me know if you have an AGP slot... those tend to run a bit more for a lesser performing card. I will do a quick check for best pricing.
If PCI-Express, go with a
Nvidia GeForce 7300GT (PNY)
40$ after rebate from tigerdirect.com
Best bargain card I've seen out as of yet.
Let me know if you have an AGP slot... those tend to run a bit more for a lesser performing card. I will do a quick check for best pricing.
Liberations
I have an ATI Radeon 2600 XT 2400 HD card, i dont think its very expensive and it runs great. Its at 256 dedicated graphics memory and 1000+ overall memory.
I think Nvidia Cards are better, so you might wanna check them out. The 8600 GT isn't that expensive and the 7900 series is good too but doesnt support DX 10 to my knowlege.
I think Nvidia Cards are better, so you might wanna check them out. The 8600 GT isn't that expensive and the 7900 series is good too but doesnt support DX 10 to my knowlege.
deluxe
Get a 2nd hand geforce 7x00 range card.
Getting a 8800GT is the best performance/price you can get at the moment.
But! Your pc is not very up to date, someone mentioned it has a 300 watt psu, so it must be a quite low end pc, if you want to put a high end card in that, you would need a new psu, and you wont even get the max performance out of that card.
I say: Spend a little money on a 2nd hand card, then start saving for a new pc.
A pc with integrated video was never meant for highend gaming, and never will be. (unless you spend loads)
Getting a 8800GT is the best performance/price you can get at the moment.
But! Your pc is not very up to date, someone mentioned it has a 300 watt psu, so it must be a quite low end pc, if you want to put a high end card in that, you would need a new psu, and you wont even get the max performance out of that card.
I say: Spend a little money on a 2nd hand card, then start saving for a new pc.
A pc with integrated video was never meant for highend gaming, and never will be. (unless you spend loads)
TheTrueThrill
You should look into the new ATi cards. the 3850 are great budget cards.
sagilltwins
VisionTek - ATI RADEON HD2600 Pro Edition Graphics Card
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....D1188558584689
does that card look any good? I might pick it up this week.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....D1188558584689
does that card look any good? I might pick it up this week.
lordpwn
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VisionTek - ATI RADEON HD2600 Pro Edition Graphics Card
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....D1188558584689 does that card look any good? I might pick it up this week. |
If you're willing to spend as much as $199 I'd recommend you rethink your budget a little and pay about $250 for a GeForce 8800GT instead, it's more than twice as fast as most of the current midrange shit that sells for about $200 right now, and will probably deliver three times the framerate compared to the $200 stuff once you kick up the resolution, antialiasing and anisotropic filtering settings.
Or, if you'd rather spend less than $200 go look for a GeForce 7900 GS/GT or a Radeon X1950 Pro, both are easily faster than a Radeon 2600, which is already decent for GW, and can be found pretty cheap at the right places.
See the VGA charts at Tom's Hardware to compare the performance of different cards (and notice how badly the current-gen "midrange" cards perform).
The Way Out
Paying 200$ for that card is insane. Especially when you could pick up that card and memory for that price from either tigerdirect or newegg. Bestbuy is a ripoff, especially when it comes to pc components. I will never buy anything from them again, unless it is an extreme emergency and I need the part(s) now.
sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by lordpwn
Way overpriced at $199.99, I wouldn't pay more than $120 for the Radeon HD2600's level of performance. DX10 support doesn't really matter right now, and even the higher-clocked Radeon HD2600 XT variant is slower than a GeForce 7600GT in everything except the most shader-heavy games.
If you're willing to spend as much as $199 I'd recommend you rethink your budget a little and pay about $250 for a GeForce 8800GT instead, it's more than twice as fast as most of the current midrange shit that sells for about $200 right now, and will probably deliver three times the framerate compared to the $200 stuff once you kick up the resolution, antialiasing and anisotropic filtering settings. Or, if you'd rather spend less than $200 go look for a GeForce 7900 GS/GT or a Radeon X1950 Pro, both are easily faster than a Radeon 2600, which is already decent for GW, and can be found pretty cheap at the right places. See the VGA charts at Tom's Hardware to compare the performance of different cards (and notice how badly the current-gen "midrange" cards perform). |