Sword build help

Black Kenpachi

Black Kenpachi

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

Richmond, CA

W/N

How would this work in PvE:

Strength 8+1 Rune
Swordsmanship 12+1+1 Rune and Helmet
Tactics 10+1 Rune

[skill]Galrath Slash[/skill][skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Tiger Stance[/skill][skill]Dolyak Signet[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Drop Dolyak Signet.
Drop Resurrect.
Drop either WY or healsig.

Drop Tiger Stance, bring Flail.

Bring Save Yourselves!
Bring For Great Justice!

Fluffy Butt

Fluffy Butt

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/Mo

For a "PvE" build, I see nothing wrong with it. It looks like it would work just fine. If it was PvP, I would go with Savio. But this looks good. If your having to spend money for skills then don't.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluffy Butt
If it was PvP, I would go with Savio. Unfortunately, SY is not usable in PvP unless you're Izzy.

Also, I'm not sure what campaigns the OP has, so I can't suggest more skills.

el_mansour

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
Unfortunately, SY is not usable in PvP unless you're Izzy.

Also, I'm not sure what campaigns the OP has, so I can't suggest more skills. Hi
Same question i want to use dragon slash for pve and i have all 4 games ,what other skills to use with ?

thank you very much

Nyktos

Nyktos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Nyktos Guild [win]

Whirlwind Attack is really good with Dslash.

MBP

MBP

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

Arizona

Clanless Fraggers

R/Mo

another new combo to add to dslash builds is

[skill]steelfang slash[/skill] + brawling headbutt

so the bar would be like this

[skill]dragon slash[/skill]Brawling Headbutt[skill]steelfang slash[/skill][skill]"for great justice!"[/skill][skill]"watch yourself!"[/skill][skill]flail[/skill][skill]enraging charge[/skill][skill]lion's comfort[/skill]

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

Dolyak sig is bad.

Flail is better than tiger stance if you have it.

Dolyak sig is bad.

You're probably fine with either WY! or healsig.

Dolyak sig is bad.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyktos
Whirlwind Attack is really good with Dslash.
Not really, using Whirlwind Attack means you're Dslashing less. The only reasons to Dslash less are:
-Save Yourselves!
-Brawling Headbutt

Quote: If FGJ is up, Dslash recharges itself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by el_mansour
Same question i want to use dragon slash for pve and i have all 4 games ,what other skills to use with ? [wiki]Brawling Headbutt[/wiki]
[wiki]Steelfang Slash[/wiki]
[wiki]Dragon Slash[/wiki]
[wiki]"Save Yourselves!"[/wiki]
[wiki]Flail[/wiki]
[wiki]Enduring Harmony[/wiki]
[wiki]"For Great Justice!"[/wiki]
[wiki]Signet of Return[/wiki]

Nyktos

Nyktos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Nyktos Guild [win]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
Not really, using Whirlwind Attack means you're Dslashing less. Um...how? Hitting 3 enemies with one attack = Dslash more.

Also, I don't see how Save Yourselves is so good. You're a WARRIOR, you're supposed to be the one taking the hits. Giving everyone except the tank +100AL seems pretty ftl to me.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyktos
Um...how? Hitting 3 enemies with one attack = Dslash more.
You're a WARRIOR, you're supposed to be the one taking the hits. Giving everyone except the tank +100AL seems pretty ftl to me. Giving everyone else +100 AL means the AI focuses more on you, the less-armored target. It also means everyone is taking less damage, so the monks can focus on you more. Everyone wins.

Also, tanking is stupid.

Nyktos

Nyktos

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Nyktos Guild [win]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
If FGJ is up, Dslash recharges itself.
Without Harmony you can keep it up less than half the time. With Harmony you're locked into /P and have to use up a precious skillslot.
Quote: Giving everyone else +100 AL means the AI focuses more on you, the less-armored target. It also means everyone is taking less damage, so the monks can focus on you more. Everyone wins. I concede this point. I always forget that feature of the AI.
Quote:
Also, tanking is stupid. I fully agree that playing "pure tank" is stupid. You still want enemies to focus on the Warriors though.

Dark Paladin X

Dark Paladin X

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2007

A/

You can my Dragon Slash build

Just replace remedy signet with a rez signet or such.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyktos
Without Harmony you can keep it up less than half the time. With Harmony you're locked into /P and have to use up a precious skillslot.
Harmony = more Dslash = more SY. More SY is good, unless you already have someone else bringing SY, in which case you go /E with Conjure.

Quote:
I fully agree that playing "pure tank" is stupid. You still want enemies to focus on the Warriors though. There isn't a whole lot you can do about that, aside from SY and a bit of placement.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
You can my Dragon Slash build That's silly... only 10 in swordsmanship.

el_mansour

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/Mo

[wiki]Brawling Headbutt[/wiki]
[wiki]Steelfang Slash[/wiki]
[wiki]Dragon Slash[/wiki]
[wiki]"Save Yourselves!"[/wiki]
[wiki]Flail[/wiki]
[wiki]Enduring Harmony[/wiki]
[wiki]"For Great Justice!"[/wiki]
[wiki]Signet of Return[/wiki][/QUOTE]

Hi
So this build ids for w/p about if it was w/monk?
and skills attributes and runes if u dont mind.

thank you again

Qdq Swi

Qdq Swi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

N/

Why would you want steelfang in a ds build? Galraths/ Silverwing deals higher damage, and when you use ds why would you need the +4 adren from steelfang?

Btw @ Mansour, attribs for normal ds build would be max swordsmanship (+1 helm +3 sup rune) Maybe +1 tactics rune and +1 str rune... Best available vigor rune, on other peices.. absorption maybe? Insignia-wise survivor to offset the -75hp from super rune... 8 in tactics with +1 to reap full benefits from a tactics sheild and same for the +1 str... 12 in swords, 8 in tacs +rune and rest in strength.

My build which is just War is something like this :

"For Great Justice!"
Enraging Charge (Works well in sync with Fgj for nice adren gain)
Flail
Brawling Headbutt (continual KD, keep foes on their asses at all time!) Especially those ele/ monk bosses
Sun and Moon Strike
Dragon Slash
Optional/ "Save Yourselves!"/ "Watch Yourselves!"
Optional

for the optionals take a hard rez for pve since your w/mo and SY works well for the other optional. Take a self-heal if you dont trust your monks. Ive always used Lions, but its come to my attention that perhaps Healing Sig is better as you dont lose adren that way .

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qdq Swi
Why would you want steelfang in a ds build?
It lets you chain Brawling Headbutt and Dragon Slash when FGJ is down.

Quote:
Originally Posted by el_mansour So this build ids for w/p about if it was w/monk? Why do you want to run /Mo? If you don't use /P, /E and Conjure is the next best secondary.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qdq Swi
Btw @ Mansour, attribs for normal ds build would be max swordsmanship (+1 helm +3 sup rune) Maybe +1 tactics rune and +1 str rune... Best available vigor rune, on other peices.. absorption maybe? Insignia-wise survivor to offset the -75hp from super rune... 8 in tactics with +1 to reap full benefits from a tactics sheild and same for the +1 str... 12 in swords, 8 in tacs +rune and rest in strength. Superior isn't really necessary, and it's possible to spec 9 in both Strength and Tactics without runes. You don't need Tactics unless you insist upon healsig and/or a Tactics Shield.

Qdq Swi

Qdq Swi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

N/

your right, steelfang.. will get it , Mansour has /Mo just giving an example, if he wants to change he can... just aint askin no questions . And yeah sup and runes for tac/ str arent necesary.. but they sure do help. What other runes would you put on your armor for utility?

Btw, what are your attribs while W/P? Same attribs, Im not sure but I wouldv thought so, shame leadership is para prime lol... Maybe less in tactics though and more in Str.. Just I cant find a Q9 Str gothic defender so I have to use tacs lol :s....

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

14 Swords, 13 Strength. I don't bring Heal Sig as I have monks, and speccing 9 for just a Tactics shield is pointless when I could bring a Strength shield.

Minor Swords, Superior Vigor, Minor Strength/Vitae, Rune of Clarity/Vitae, Superior Absorption/Vitae. All you need is Swords and Vigor, the rest is unimportant so more health is a plus.

Qdq Swi

Qdq Swi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
14 Swords, 13 Strength. I don't bring Heal Sig as I have monks, and speccing 9 for just a Tactics shield is pointless when I could bring a Strength shield.

Minor Swords, Superior Vigor, Minor Strength/Vitae, Rune of Clarity/Vitae, Superior Absorption/Vitae. All you need is Swords and Vigor, the rest is unimportant so more health is a plus. More health isnt a bonus if you want mobs attacking you (PvE not PvP) Rune of Clarity.. Shall be getting one of them . 9 tac isnt pointless if you use WY or dont have a decent Str sheild.

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluffy Butt
For a "PvE" build, I see nothing wrong with it. It looks like it would work just fine. If it was PvP, I would go with Savio. But this looks good. If your having to spend money for skills then don't. The skills Savio listed included Flail, a self-snaring IAS, and a PvE-only skill. I don't think any of us would go for it for PvP.

As with everything in Guild Wars, the worst skills for each task still work, but you can help out not only yourself but your whole group by bringing better skills.

The exception: Rezzing someone with 25% health and 0 energy does not "work just fine." It usually results in doubling their death penalty. Use Res Signet, Sunspear Rebirth Signet, or Death Pact Signet. If you need to res more than once, odds are your group sucks.

A Warrior has 116 Physical armor. You don't need Dolyak Signet. In a Dragon Slash build, having more attack skills than Dragon Slash is more likely to hurt your DPS than help it. Also, [skill=text]"For Great Justice!"[/skill] is the cornerstone of your damage output in such a build because under its effects, Dragon Slash recharges itself.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Qdq Swi
9 tac isnt pointless if you use WY or dont have a decent Str sheild. If you can get Dslash, you can get "Save Yourselves!". SY >> WY, and SY means they'll probably attack you more. So, more health is a bonus.

It's also not hard to get a decent Str shield.

Qdq Swi

Qdq Swi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
If you can get Dslash, you can get "Save Yourselves!". SY >> WY, and SY means they'll probably attack you more. So, more health is a bonus.

It's also not hard to get a decent Str shield. Last time I cheked Str Gothic Defenders that wer dual modded solf for 100k + xx ecto.. inscriptable gothic defenders cost even more.. even at q13... gothic defender is my fav sheild.. and if it means putting a few attribs on tacs it doesnt matter to me.

el_mansour

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
14 Swords, 13 Strength. I don't bring Heal Sig as I have monks, and speccing 9 for just a Tactics shield is pointless when I could bring a Strength shield.

Minor Swords, Superior Vigor, Minor Strength/Vitae, Rune of Clarity/Vitae, Superior Absorption/Vitae. All you need is Swords and Vigor, the rest is unimportant so more health is a plus. Hi
I am following ur build w/p ,i dont have "save your selves" for now what shall i replace it with?
for the armor i have 5 sentinels insignia in armors 1 sup vigor ,2 runes of vitae,1 sup absoption and helm is str with +2 -35,i was thinking to buy another helm sword one and just add minor rune sword and replace 1 of minor vitae with minor str .What u think ?

thank u very much

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by el_mansour
Hi
I am following ur build w/p ,i dont have "save your selves" for now what shall i replace it with?
[skill=text]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill] will do. You get "Save Yourselves!" from the Kurzick or Luxon rewards NPC in your guild hall, after you've achieved the first rank of your faction.

Quote:
Originally Posted by el_mansour
i was thinking to buy another helm sword one and just add minor rune sword and replace 1 of minor vitae with minor str .What u think ? Yes, definitely do that. Drop the other Vitae, in fact, and put in a Rune of Clarity instead to reduce Blind duration. If you're running Superior Vigor and all minor runes, you have plenty of health.