true assassin, a theory.

the lesser

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i watch alot of kung fu/ ninja movies. the image of a true ninja to me is the black gear with a sword (katana of course ). imagine my surprise upon getting factions that the main assassin weapons were daggers. really? daggers?

so i guess what im getting at is, if you use a sword in place of daggers on a sin, does it not have the same mod capacity as a set of daggers? yes. so, in theory, shouldnt i be able to rock a sword and no offhand? with way of the master and critical eye in my bar one can just interchange investment in dagger mastery to swordsmanship (f*ck tactics). with all this said, what are some 2/3 skill sword combos to throw in there with the above skills? and is this even logical?

on my current bar i have shadow refuge for healing, and i am the strongest at the end just for a lil attack boost. im not too familliar with sword combos or sword elites, i play an axe warrior aside of my assassin. i would try to throw a build together for this to present, but im not a build chemist. im sure you guys have some better ideas than i can come up with.

so in essence i guess this is a build request. so thanks in advance for any help. i only lack nightfall, but a build including nightfall skills is cool for others who have it of course. join the cause of the true assassin.



note: when the assassin runs with sprint or dash how they hold their sword is fresh, thats true katana form! i always thought that was cool. looks wack with daggers. lol. holla!

fireflyry

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Personally...I'd just accept your definition and Anet's differ.

When I think Sins I think Sai before Katana...each to their own and good luck in your search.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by the lesser
the image of a true ninja to me is the black gear with a sword (katana of course ). imagine my surprise upon getting factions that the main assassin weapons were daggers. really? daggers? Ninjas often wield daggers too. Samurai are the ones that focus primarily on katanas, so it's not a surprise to see assassins with daggers.

Toutatis

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Yes, a sword has the same mod capacity as a set of daggers (two upgrades and maybe an inscription if the weapon in question has an inscription slot too).

However, using anything other than a set of daggers on an assassin primary is more of a gimmick. The assassin's greatest strength is in the attack chains that rip through even the most heavily armored targets like a hot knife through butter - which can only be performed with a pair of daggers.

Also, if you did want to use Way of the Master/Critical Eye to take advantage of critical hits with a non-dagger weapon, it would make more sense to use a weapon that can inflict the most damage possible (such as a hammer or scythe with their high strike damage potentials).

As a side note, if you want a ninja-ish weapon the craftable daggers in Factions are sai

candyman_sb

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Ninja is not the same with asassin. A ninja uses swords, an assassin uses daggers. If you still want to wield a sword:

[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill]or[skill]Knee Cutter[/skill]
[skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill]
[skill]Quivering Blade[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Galrath Slash[/skill]

Yanman.be

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Assassin actually comes from an Arabian word.

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

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Assassin is a killer, they do not actually need a weapon of choice.

A man hired for the role of killing is an assassin.
A man hired to protect you or fight for you is a mercenary.

Thus you can watch your movies, but an assassin can fight with a penny, if hes hired to kill Hes still an assassin


actually it be cool to see someone kill with a penny daily..

Lourens

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Assassination is the murder of a political figure. An added distinction, among assassination and other forms of killing is that the assassin has an ideological or political motivation, though many assassins (especially those not part of an organisation) also demonstrate insanity; other motivations are money (contract killing), revenge, or a military operation. i dont see katana or sword in the discription

fireflyry

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lourens
i dont see katana or sword in the discription Exactly.

Lock.

zknifeh

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Hitman's Agent 47 is also an assassin... he doesnt really use sharp objects much unless its a knife. he usually uses guns.
i think ur confusing assassin with a ninja(who in movies tend to have katanas as well)
naruto ftl

Diddy bow

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Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

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Whats with ppl thinking assassin=ninja anyway

I cry whenever i see a sin wearing black and a ninja mask

And dagger>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sword unless your a warrior .

Bouldershoulder

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
Assassin is a killer, they do not actually need a weapon of choice.

A man hired for the role of killing is an assassin.
A man hired to protect you or fight for you is a mercenary.

Thus you can watch your movies, but an assassin can fight with a penny, if hes hired to kill Hes still an assassin


actually it be cool to see someone kill with a penny daily.. I can imagine Agent 47 dropping a penny off the empire state building...

I'm reveling in an urban myth, so please don't ruin it for me.

Aaah...

Saphrium

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Ninjas don't use katana sword either. They use a much shorter straight-edged sword, and katana is curved edge and much longer.

Sir Pandra Pierva

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Ninja are more known for using Wakisashi I believe which is a sword designed for use indoors. Which is why they use cause they are smaller and can be used to fight in tight areas, which unlike the typical katana which was taken off by Samuri when they went indoors. But also ninja didn't fight unless they had to they prefered to use stealthy killing instead of fighting, the sword was a last ditch weapon when all else failed.

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http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Shinobi_Blade

Sir Pandra Pierva

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjat%C5%8D

is what I was thinking of

Coloneh

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there are lots of reasons above that swords dont fit assassins, but the functional reason for guild wars is critical strikes. sins use daggers because the have the capacity to strike faster than any other melee weapon. the more criticcal hits you get in, the more energy and damage you get. some sins like to use a diferent weapon, and this is entirely possible. however your only real options are the scythe and axe because of their damage range. critical hit damage is a product of the weapon's max damage and for their attack speed scythes and axes have the highest max damage. swords have a rather low max damage.

SilentDaunt

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If you simply want to use swords while playing an assassin why not consider using Shiro's Blades?

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Shiro%27s_Blades
I think they are more than badass enough.

Sins are generally not suited for using sword skills since it takes too long to prep up a spike with adrenaline and only one sword skill deals deepwound. Besides, you don't have enough armor to stay alive long enough to build up the adrenalines anyways, especially if your not gonna use a shield like you said. Also like Coloneh stated, daggers are simply faster with double strike meaning better energy management with critical strikes. Personally I feel that daggers are the only weapons capable of bringing out the full capacities of assassins, but if you want to experiment with other weapons thats perfectly fine but just don't expect it to work out so well like what you saw in the movies.

andreus71990

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so basically, this guy wants a ninja, like ryu from ninja gaiden, with full gear and mask, but in guild wars? sounds like a new suggestion for a new skill set for sins. one in which a player can have linkable sword attacks, but with the sins one-two-three strike moves. spunds cool, but its never gonna happen. the ninja and the assassin are two different things. for assassin, think hitman, for ninja, think ninja gaiden's ryu.
lol

the lesser

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jeez. i should have said true ninja, shoot me. lol.

i am aware of the definition of assassin. when i said true assassin obviously i was relating to guild wars.

thanks for the replies.

o yea and sais are a good example of a ninja weapon also. ive got to find some pics or movie titles showing my katana point. maybe.



also, i am aware of the straighter blade type more commonly used than a katana as a ninja weapon. dont forget there are chinese ninjas and japanese ninjas. and andreus, ryu from ninja gaiden is a perfect example of what i think of. ninja scroll anyone?

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AuraofMana

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Assassin - Just go wiki Assassin's Creed (Good game btw).
However, GW Assassin is based on mystical Ninjas. Whatever movies/other crap you watch, drop it right now. Stereotypes = fail. Ninjas kill silently, preferring to stab you in the back or just poison you. Any "underhanded" tactics, as long as it gets the job done. Real Ninjas don't charge into battle like a Berserker with a fat sword. Real Ninjas actually use short weapons. Katana is so popular because the predominant western image of Japanese Samurai = Katana, which is true, but it is also tied to Ninjas as well since a guy with big fat sword looks hell a lot cooler.

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chinese ninjas China has no ninjas. Although all Japanese martial arts are based from Chinese martial arts, so there is an indirect relationship.

Shuuda

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True assassins need only four things:

- A target to kill.
- A tall building.
- A Sinper Rifle.
- Ammo and what not.

I doubt even Shield of Regeneration could prevent that death.

Bobby2

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A true ninja used a ninja-to as a basic weapon, which is comparable to a wakizashi (samurai secondary weapon - short sword) but straight, not curved. Its sheath was often used as a club, as well.

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The Hashishin were an muslim sect. The Assasins in factions are not inspired by them.
The GW Assasin is supposed to be Ninja.

The Katana is an Japanese sword used by the Samurai, the Samurai were during feudal Japan nobel warriors serving the lord. They were the only ones allowed to wear the Katana. Because of that, and because the katana were very expensive the Ninja clans did not use the Katana, or the Wakizashi which only nobilty wore. The Wakizashi was an backup weapon and used for executions(on the battlefield) and Seppuku. The Wakizashi was worn by the Samurai at all times, it could be worn when the Katana had to be put away.

The Ninja did fought with many weapons, not all very well made. Bujinkan(seen by many as the last ninja ryu(school, style)) train 18 Styles.

The 18 disciplines are:

1. Seishin-teki kyōyō (spiritual refinement)
2. Taijutsu (unarmed combat, using one's body as the only weapon)
3. Kenjutsu (sword fighting)
4. Bōjutsu (stick and staff fighting)
5. Shurikenjutsu (throwing shuriken)
6. Sōjutsu (spear fighting)
7. Naginatajutsu (naginata fighting)
8. Kusarigamajutsu (kusarigama fighting)
9. Kayakujutsu (pyrotechnics and explosives)
10. Hensōjutsu (disguise and impersonation)
11. Shinobi-iri (stealth and entering methods)
12. Bajutsu (horsemanship)
13. Sui-ren (water training)
14. Bōryaku (military strategy)
15. Chōhō (espionage)
16. Intonjutsu (escaping and concealment)
17. Tenmon (meteorology)
18. Chi-mon (geography)

I would say the Anets ninja are better than many other depictions of the Ninja and Anet are not calling them ninjas and GW is a fantasyworld.

Take look at wikipedia, it does not say, but alittle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninja
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakizashi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zasspine
I would say the Anets ninja are better than many other depictions of the Ninja Tsk. Play 'Ninja Burger' by Steve Jackson and you'll change that opinion right out

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Quote:
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Assassin actually comes from an Arabian word. That was the most relevant post I have EVER seen. Kudos to you, sir.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by AuraofMana
China has no ninjas. Although all Japanese martial arts are based from Chinese martial arts, so there is an indirect relationship. I don't think Chinese warriors had any code binding them such as the Bushido of the samurai, and hence there was no real need to hire specialized ninja-type fighters unlike Japanese warlords, whose samurai's actions would've been bound to such a code, which I think regards some things as dishonorable, while shinobi would have used whatever means necessary.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentDaunt
If you simply want to use swords while playing an assassin why not consider using Shiro's Blades?

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Shiro%27s_Blades
I think they are more than badass enough.

Sins are generally not suited for using sword skills since it takes too long to prep up a spike with adrenaline and only one sword skill deals deepwound. Besides, you don't have enough armor to stay alive long enough to build up the adrenalines anyways, especially if your not gonna use a shield like you said. Also like Coloneh stated, daggers are simply faster with double strike meaning better energy management with critical strikes. Personally I feel that daggers are the only weapons capable of bringing out the full capacities of assassins, but if you want to experiment with other weapons thats perfectly fine but just don't expect it to work out so well like what you saw in the movies. Yea, assassin gets 12 sword and shiro's blades need 13 sword. Nice dmg coming.

isamu kurosawa

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
True assassins need only four things:

- A target to kill.
- A tall building.
- A Sinper Rifle.
- Ammo and what not.

I doubt even Shield of Regeneration could prevent that death. RoF would though

anyway, forget ninja, gw has real life samurai

Kabroz the necro

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Assassin and Ninja are different ''professions''. In the history of Japan, a ninja ninja was someone specially trained in a variety of unorthodox arts of war. These included assassination, espionage, and other martial arts. (assassin)

The term 'Assassin' derives from Hashshashin, a militant Ismaili Muslim sect, active in the Middle East from the eighth to the fourteenth centuries. This mystic secret society killed members of the Abbasid and Seljuq élite for political and religious reasons.
The action of assassinating; the taking the life of any one by treacherous violence, esp. by a hired emissary, or one who has taken upon him to execute the deed - and sometimes itself too (bad assassin or rampaging wammo)

Bobby2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa
RoF would though

anyway, forget ninja, gw has real life samurai
That's the first shield-bearing samurai I've seen

LightningHell

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Quote:
Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa
RoF would though

anyway, forget ninja, gw has real life samurai Samurai usually use katanas, I think, and that's more a wakizashi length...

zDaniel365z

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ninja use katanas and throwing knives/stars, they follow material arts i gues.

assassin... in the dictionary term is someone that kills a politcal figure. o.O unlike ninjas assassins are basical killing machines use w/e weapon w/e terran w/e advantage as long as they have their target dead.... i dont think they follow any type of "material arts" or fighting rules, they kill and thats their job, how... doesnt matter how


so... taticaly.... assassin can be a dressed like a hobo with a broken wine bottle... so long as its an advantage for him and he kills his target he will be a hobo (plus daggers are easy to conceal , so assassin in most games or rogues or theifs they got daggers or other small weapons)

and assassins are much cooler =D they drug them selves before going into battle (said so on wiki, assassin or hashashin search) to be calm emotionless and not feel pain =D they become inhuman killing machines =D

ps. daggers arent that bad. one game had assassin have throwing knives/stars only, another knives. o.O and in God Father there was an assassin with a shotgun (i think) =D

Zahr Dalsk

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All you need to know about ninjas.

andreus71990

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In the history of Japan, a ninja (忍者, ninja) was someone specially trained in a variety of unorthodox arts of war. These included assassination, espionage, and other martial arts.

An assassin is a murderer who is politically motivated or contracted.

Thats right, straight from wikipedia

andreus71990

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Nunya, BZ

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Quote:
Originally Posted by andreus71990
In the history of Japan, a ninja (忍者, ninja) was someone specially trained in a variety of unorthodox arts of war. These included assassination, espionage, and other martial arts.

An assassin is a murderer who is politically motivated or contracted.

Thats right, straight from wikipedia
And so therefore either an assassin or a ninja may use any tool or weapon necessary available. therefore, katana, daggers, broadsword, or bazooka can be used, but the general idea of both is that they operate silently and therefore use smaller weapons, like daggers or knives. or handguns. bazooka assassin, oh yeah

kaldak

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Facts:

1. Ninjas are mammals.

2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.

3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

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Assassin's are closer to mercenarys than Ninja's IMO.

If you are hired to kill and thats your profession your really an assassin
If your hired to serve as a bodyguard/protection/soldier your a mercenary (a bit off)
Ninjas....are just wierd >.>

Issac

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I'd rather be an assassin, not a ninja.