true assassin, a theory.

smilingscar

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Personally, I think a gw assassin should be able to wield any one handed melee weapon as daggers (with dagger damage) provided they have it in perfect duplicate (one for primary hand, one for off hand). This would give you an dual katana wielding assassin, with perhaps an axe-berserker on the side.

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Quote:
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dual katana wielding assassin *shoots himself*

Hyprodimus Prime

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Originally Posted by Shuuda
True assassins need only four things:

- A target to kill.
- A tall building.
- A Sinper Rifle.
- Ammo and what not.

I doubt even Shield of Regeneration could prevent that death. Ward Against Headshot

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

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All an assassin needs, is a Mrs. Assassin who doesnt know hes an assassin and he doesnt know shes an assassin.

I see it now

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Guild Wars" Mr and Mrs. WTF

DDeathblade

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I think GW dudes made it as "assassin" to describe it's ability to do extremely fast kills. Comparing a ninja (did they actually exist as a independent profession in Japan?), Assassin is more dark and mysterious, while Ninja is like a Ronin, fighting alone, but Ninja is.. well, .

Actually, in hand-to-hand combat Ninja was worthless against Samurai who used No-Dachis, Katanas, while Ninjas used mainly katanas, Sais.. Ninja also worked alone.

But why assassin should not be called assassin is that assassins are mercenary murderers, Ninja is more combat based dude (wow, mentioned 3 times "assassin" in one sentence )

Just my two cents.

majiger

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Umm...assassin use all weapons, they are masters at wielding any type of weapon to preform their assasinations, daggers are just used as a close range weapon when u want to be unoticed. Swords for when an assassin needs from stopping power.

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not true. Even medieval knights who trained to be soldiers since they were 10 learnt to use one or two weapons well (Sword/axe and mace perhaps). Assassins used daggers to stab, poison to poison.. Assassins didn't need other weapons as they weren't paid to kill guards and soldiers, only their targets.

"Assassins/ninjas were best warriors in world" is a typical pre-mature fantasy geek comment.

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Yeah an' when I was playing them Assassin's Creed that Altiar man has this hidden blade 'n stuff. He dun' even luk like sum ninja.

Sir Pandra Pierva

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Woot someone else reads ninja burger<_<>_>

Also this topic needs a sticky.

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Originally Posted by andreus71990
so basically, this guy wants a ninja, like ryu from ninja gaiden, with full gear and mask, but in guild wars? sounds like a new suggestion for a new skill set for sins. one in which a player can have linkable sword attacks, but with the sins one-two-three strike moves. spunds cool, but its never gonna happen. the ninja and the assassin are two different things. for assassin, think hitman, for ninja, think ninja gaiden's ryu.
lol U sir is smart

ghostlyfenix

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go play WoW if u want to dual wield swords...

the lesser

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Originally Posted by AuraofMana
China has no ninjas. Although all Japanese martial arts are based from Chinese martial arts, so there is an indirect relationship. um chinese star.

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

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If your not Dual Wielding at all times you must be a girl
I'm always holding a weapon in my pants =P
usually im Triple Wielding on my assassin >.>

Jokes aside
Conclusion to this thread
A weapon does not make you an assassin.

Takuna

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Yeah, ninjas and assassins don't need to use particular weapons, really... And I must say that a dagger is often more effective in real life than a sword.

But I DO wish they would make more daggers like Shiro's Blades. Those were awesome but I'd like some that had a zealous mod...

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If Anet made assassins use any 1 handed weapon proficently, the class would be weak as hell. Sure, you have great versatility and can dress up as Naruto(why most people are assassins) too.

Narutards=ftl

Unreal Havoc

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I've trained in Ninjutsu for 7 years and reached the grade of 1st Dan. My school is the Kokoro Dojo, which train in both Bujinkan and To-Shin-Do Ninjutsu. I've been lucky enough to be able to train with both Grandmaster Massaki hatsumi and An Shu Stephen hayes in my lifetime (something I will never , ever forget). I found this thread by chance and I find it amazing how alot of people still stereotype Ninjas based on what they may see in movies, etc. So I thought I'd share what I know from my experience of training in the Ninja arts.

Here is pretty much, but not limited to, a list of what weapons Ninjas used and continue to train with today.

Tanto (Dagger)
Kusari-Gama (Chain and Sickle)
Wazikashi (Short Katana)
Katana (Normal Katana)
Dai-Katana (Large Katana, mainly used for war)
Naginata (Halberd)
Ashiko (Foot claws, used for combat and climbing)
Shuko (Hand claws used for combat and climbing)
Tessen (Iron War fan used for attacking pressure points)
Chigiriki (A style of Morning Star)
Fukiya (Blowgun)
Hanbo (Short staff the same size as a walking stick)
Hoko (A type of spear. Also the name of a Defensive Stance)
Jutte (A type of Halberd)
Kakute (Poisoned rings worn by Kunoichi)
Kama (Sickles, normally used in pairs)
Neko-Te (Iron fingernails normally used by Kunoichi)
Kyoketsu-Shogei (Chain with a Knife on one end and a ring on the other)
Manriki-Gusari (Chain with weights attached to each end)
Shuriken (The traditional "Ninja Star")
Yari (A type of spear)
Kunai (Utility knife also used as a thrown dagger)
Tetsu-Bishi (Caltrops)
Bow (Long and Short. Should know what this one is)
Sai (Daggers with forked handguards used for disarming enemies)

Alot of Ninjutsu techniques tend to come from a large variety of Martial Arts. Dakken-Taijutsu consists of elements of Chinese Kickboxing and Judo, while other aspects of it combine muscle and bone destruction together to devastating effect. Most of what you learn in unarmed combat can be applied with a weapon quite easily and the sheer variety of techniques and ways to apply them allow for a unique style of martial art that allows the Ninja to apply the technique in a way that suits them.

Although stereotyped as Assassins, Ninjas were far from it. To be honest they very rarely killed anyone because in doing so they had failed their mission (unless, on the rare occasion, their mission was to assassinate). They were more manipulators of war (using politics and shifting the weight in favour of their hidden masters), not participants in it, so to speak. That doesn't mean they never fought, but that their purpose was more to remain unseen, and undetected throughout their whole mission in order to succeed in their goal.

A better way to think of Ninjas is as spies, rather than Assassins, as that's more the characteristics of their role. A good modern day pictation of a Ninja can be seen in the game Splinter Cell, with the player playing the part of Sam Fisher, he even does the forward roll properly.



Any questions? Feel free to ask, I'll be more than happy to awnser.

FlamingMetroid

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
I've trained in Ninjutsu for 7 years and reached the grade of 1st Dan. My school is the Kokoro Dojo, which train in both Bujinkan and To-Shin-Do Ninjutsu. I've been lucky enough to be able to train with both Grandmaster Massaki hatsumi and An Shu Stephen hayes in my lifetime (something I will never , ever forget). I found this thread by chance and I find it amazing how alot of people still stereotype Ninjas based on what they may see in movies, etc. So I thought I'd share what I know from my experience of training in the Ninja arts.

Here is pretty much, but not limited to, a list of what weapons Ninjas used and continue to train with today.

Tanto (Dagger)
Gusari-Kama (Chain and Sickle)
Wazikashi (Short Katana)
Katana (Normal Katana)
Dai-Katana (Large Katana, mainly used for war)
Naginata (Halberd)
Ashiko (Foot claws, used for combat and climbing)
Shuko (Hand claws used for combat and climbing)
Tessen (Iron War fan used for attacking pressure points)
Chigiriki (A style of Morning Star)
Fukiya (Blowgun)
Hanbo (Short staff the same size as a walking stick)
Hoko (A type of spear. Also the name of a Defensive Stance)
Jutte (A type of Halberd)
Kakute (Poisoned rings worn by Kunoichi)
Kama (Sickles, normally used in pairs)
Neko-Te (Iron fingernails normally used by Kunoichi)
Kyoketsu-Shogei (Chain with a Knife on one end and a ring on the other)
Manriki-Gusari (Chain with weights attached to each end)
Shuriken (The traditional "Ninja Star")
Yari (A type of spear)
Kunai (Utility knife also used as a thrown dagger)
Tetsu-Bishi (Caltrops)
Bow (Long and Short. Should know what this one is)
Sai (Daggers with forked handguards used for disarming enemies)

Alot of Ninjutsu techniques tend to come from a large variety of Martial Arts. Dakken-Taijutsu consists of elements of Chinese Kickboxing and Judo, while other aspects of it combine muscle and bone destruction together to devastating effect. Most of what you learn in unarmed combat can be applied with a weapon quite easily and the sheer variety of techniques and ways to apply them allow for a unique style of martial art that allows the Ninja to apply the technique in a way that suits them.

Although stereotyped as Assassins, Ninjas were far from it. To be honest they very rarely killed anyone because in doing so they had failed their mission (unless, on the rare occasion, their mission was to assassinate). They were more manipulators of war (using politics and shifting the weight in favour of their hidden masters), not participants in it, so to speak. That doesn't mean they never fought, but that their purpose was more to remain unseen, and undetected throughout their whole mission in order to succeed in their goal.

A better way to think of Ninjas is as spies, rather than Assassins, as that's more the characteristics of their role. A good modern day pictation of a Ninja can be seen in the game Splinter Cell, with the player playing the part of Sam Fisher, he even does the forward roll properly.



Any questions? Feel free to ask, I'll be more than happy to awnser. I believe the technical term for one such post as this is "epic win."

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

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You've trained in Ninjutsu?

..........Shadow clone pl0x

and
pix or it didn't happen!

Also I know real ninjutsu has nothing to do with naruto >.>

Bobby2

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc
/win Awesome. Confused though...

- I was under the distinct impression that real ninjas were not proficient with katanas, what with these swords being linked to the samurai class
- I always thought 'Shuko' and 'Neko-Te' (cat claws) were the same weapons
- no mention of the Jitte anywhere. I suppose it's a bit redundant, what with the Sai being listed, but I couldn't help but notice.
- Also thought the Wakizashi was not used, in favour of the Ninja-To, which basically is the same length, but with a straight blade instead of the war blade's curve.

Ehm... Hi Yah!?

FlamingMetroid

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2
Awesome. Confused though...

- I was under the distinct impression that real ninjas were not proficient with katanas, what with these swords being linked to the samurai class
- I always thought 'Shuko' and 'Neko-Te' (cat claws) were the same weapons
- no mention of the Jitte anywhere. I suppose it's a bit redundant, what with the Sai being listed, but I couldn't help but notice.
- Also thought the Wakizashi was not used, in favour of the Ninja-To, which basically is the same length, but with a straight blade instead of the war blade's curve.

Ehm... Hi Yah!? Based on my understanding,

1&4- ninja were proficient in many weapons, katanas being important as they might frequently encounter them, and wakizashis wouldn't instanly reveal them as a ninja

2- Shuko are blades worn on the hands for tree climbing, sword catching, face pwning, ect. and Neko-Te being those things Vega from Street fighter has or something to that effect

but Mr. Ninja can prolly answer better

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

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This thread fails for lack of masamune,muramasa and kusanagi!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masamune
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orochi

Now this thread rocks!
Why does it rock?
Because we have mythology and legends in it!

Unreal Havoc

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Join Date: Dec 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby2
Awesome. Confused though...

- I was under the distinct impression that real ninjas were not proficient with katanas, what with these swords being linked to the samurai class
Ninjas trained with just about anything they could get their hands on. They even used portable cannons.

Quote: - I always thought 'Shuko' and 'Neko-Te' (cat claws) were the same weapons Nope, one goes on the finger nails the other is a climbing tool that bands around the wearers hand with spikes protruding from the band. Here is a picture of me wearing Shuko.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/2991/dsc00008ft4.jpg


Quote: - no mention of the Jitte anywhere. I suppose it's a bit redundant, what with the Sai being listed, but I couldn't help but notice. It's already there under Jutte. The "type of Halberd" reference is to a way it is used on the end of spears to snare and disarm opponents at range. It is also used on the end of a piece of cord to trap, disarm and then bind an opponent if I remember correctly. I have never trained with it myself though so that may not be entirely accurate if I'm honest.

Quote:
- Also thought the Wakizashi was not used, in favour of the Ninja-To, which basically is the same length, but with a straight blade instead of the war blade's curve. Curved blades are preffered due to being easier to draw at close quarters, which better suited a Ninjas style of fighting. That doesn't mean they don't exist (I own one myself) but it does boil down to the individuals style of fighting and preferences. Lastly, Ninjato isn't a particular type of sword, more a name for the group of swords carried/used by Ninjas. A Wazikashi or a Dai-Katana can be identified as a Ninjato for example, it's simply a common name.

Quote:
Ehm... Hi Yah!? Lol, Ninjas don't go Hi Yah!, they remain silent.

Unreal Havoc

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
You've trained in Ninjutsu?

..........Shadow clone pl0x

and
pix or it didn't happen!

Also I know real ninjutsu has nothing to do with naruto >.> I don't post pictures of myself on the internet, but this should be sufficient proof.

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1341/dsc00007lz0.jpg

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

A/D

...I need to go study some ninjutsu..

Then go make people sad pandas...

Coloneh

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this thread makes me want to take a nap. i swear, im the only person in the world that dosnt care at all about ninjas.

FlamingMetroid

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
this thread makes me want to take a nap. i swear, im the only person in the world that dosnt care at all about ninjas. *gasp* that's blasphemy!

Bobby2

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Quote:
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*gasp* that's blasphemy! He will not sleep safely tonight

Unreal Havoc

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Synchronise watches guys!

Coloneh

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eek, my bad. lucky i have insomnia.

RoyalPredator

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Ninjas are special chinese soldiers.
Assassins are Special Ninjas, Hitmans.
Ninjas doing special quests, but assassins are just hired to kill someone.
They are wearing a lot of special weapons.
Swords (Katana, Daodao, Shinobi blade, etc), Daggers, Nunjaku (Chained rod)
,Simple Rod, Spear, Throwable starblades (dont know the name of it) and a lot of special weapons whitch makes them the greatest, most dangerous warriors in the world. (Until AK47-Kalassnykow...ehm)

Why they using Daggers in GW?
Its simply cool, and the warriors already have swords.
+ If you want, you can make your own A/W build to use sword, some build are not bad...

Maybe in Guild Wars 2, the ANet makes chars enable to wield and use more weapon, and if you switch your dagger into sword, your build changes (keeping the 8skill slot rule)
However, it makes the game more realistic.

FlamingMetroid

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalPredator
Ninjas are special chinese soldiers.
Assassins are Special Ninjas, Hitmans.
Ninjas doing special quests, but assassins are just hired to kill someone.
They are wearing a lot of special weapons.
Swords (Katana, Daodao, Shinobi blade, etc), Daggers, Nunjaku (Chained rod)
,Simple Rod, Spear, Throwable starblades (dont know the name of it) and a lot of special weapons whitch makes them the greatest, most dangerous warriors in the world. (Until AK47-Kalassnykow...ehm)

Why they using Daggers in GW?
Its simply cool, and the warriors already have swords.
+ If you want, you can make your own A/W build to use sword, some build are not bad...

Maybe in Guild Wars 2, the ANet makes chars enable to wield and use more weapon, and if you switch your dagger into sword, your build changes (keeping the 8skill slot rule)
However, it makes the game more realistic. yay thread necromancy!!!
mr. rl ninja already won this one

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalPredator
Ninjas are special chinese soldiers.
Ninja's were Samurai who were dishonored in some way or fashion, not Chinese soldiers.


Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalPredator
Throwable starblades (dont know the name of it) You speak of either throwing stars or shuriken, depending upon how they're made.

runeseeker1

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanman.be
Assassin actually comes from an Arabian word. Assassin comes from Hashassin (don't know if I spelled it right), who were hitmen that took Hashish before doing their job. (I heard they were kinda suicidal, too... narutards, anyone?)
xD

artay

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An assassin is someone who kills for political influence, if I killed the president so my cousin could run, I would be an assassin.

RoyalPredator

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Wikipedia.....

LightningHell

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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyalPredator
Ninjas are special chinese soldiers.
Assassins are Special Ninjas, Hitmans.
Ninjas doing special quests, but assassins are just hired to kill someone.
They are wearing a lot of special weapons.
Swords (Katana, Daodao, Shinobi blade, etc), Daggers, Nunjaku (Chained rod)
,Simple Rod, Spear, Throwable starblades (dont know the name of it) and a lot of special weapons whitch makes them the greatest, most dangerous warriors in the world. (Until AK47-Kalassnykow...ehm). This is so wrong on so many levels I won't bother commenting. "Ninja" isn't even Chinese.

Anyway, closed due to thread necromancy (if anybody wants to revive, make a new one or PM me).

EDIT: Whoops, forgot to actually close it.

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