any 1 haves a good ss build for pve?

then what is a good SS build???

Arcane echo combines well with many nec hexes, not SS only. It seems people suggest barbs/MoP alot without actually knowing if the person has any physical damage on the team but they are decent with an MM on the team. Melee heroes/phys damage henches are pretty bad if you ask me.

I still see Awaken used often but I feel it's not worth it at all. The damage increase from SS/IP are too minor for it to be worth it. Most other curses spells in a common pve bar don't get much of a boost from it. If you want extra damage, Defile/Desecrate enchantments is what you want. If you know stuff will block often too, don't forget Defile defenses.

Yes, Awaken the Blood is definitely sub-par. Compare to Glyph of Elemental Power (shivers.)

[skill]Spiteful Spirit[/skill][skill]Reckless Haste[/skill][skill]Mark of Pain[/skill][skill]Barbs[/skill][skill]Enfeebling Blood[/skill][skill]Awaken the Blood[/skill][Optional][Rez]

1. I'm assuming you have a MM or MB in the party to take full advantage of MoP and Barbs.

2. I'm assuming your placement of SS, MoP, and Barbs is intelligent enough to take full advantage of awaken. By selecting targets that will cause maximum triggers, you should be able to get better DPS out of a few extra damage per trigger on those spells than anything else you could bring (except perhaps another copy of one of those spells via arcane echo).

3. Change Awaken for Arcane Echo if you prefer, and don't mind losing your hard rez.

4. For the optional spot, I usually bring direct damage, unless I have a specific need for something like Spinal Shivers, etc. For heroes, Desecrate Enchantments is (unfortunately) the best direct damage available. Player builds can use that (if you expect to face clustered enchanted foes) or Necrosis or other PvE-only skills. Some other non-direct-damage options include: Pain Inverter (although PI is kinda an anti-combo with EB and Reckless, it's still so good it's worth considering), Spinal Shivers (if you have something you'll need to interrupt), BR, if your team can't manage their own energy, and SoLS (particularly if you use arcane echo for a pricey chain).

I second Chthons build.

But I would put in Necrosis and Signet of Lost Souls instead of Awaken the Blood.

Spiteful, Barbs, Enfeebling Blood. The rest of the bar can be blank for normal mode.

Enfeebling Blood is a no brainer in HM imo but Barbs needs to have an MM for it to be a good choice(again imo). If you pug it's amazing how many physical damage dealers don't deal physical damage....IDS, FDS, whatever. However, in a serious group where you know you have physicals not using Elemental damage mods then Barbs is amazing(and moreso with an MM).
Ensigns advice(as always from my experience) is spot on. I would add Arcane Echo as a no brainer though too. I wont go into the specifics as Molochs links to his previous posts cover it very well and I echo (=] pun intended) his ideals in that regard.
GL and HF....remember the most important part is have fun =].

There are a couple decisions you have to make.

Are you trying to bulldoze trivial content, or are you attempting to take on more difficult content?

Against easy trash you want to go all-in on Spiteful Spirit; there's really little incentive not to. Take Arcane Echo, put a few out there, see numbers, and move on. Barbs is something you'll pull out against bosses and Enfeebling Blood is only going to be used on over-aggroed mobs. If you're playing against more difficult content, however, Enfeebling Blood immediately supplants Spiteful Spirit as your #1 priority; in that case Arcane Echo becomes a very weak skill.

How organized is the team? If you're playing tanknspank go wild with Spiteful; if you're not controlling aggro so strictly it's lower priority. If you have multiple physicals and are calling targets Barbs becomes exceptionally good, otherwise it's again a niche skill.

Essentially those 3 skills form the backbone of what you can do with a curses guy; one of them is pretty stellar in just about any situation. How they balance out for you is going to dictate the rest of your bar.

As you might be able to guess I don't put much value on Arcane Echo; it's only a remotely acceptable skill against easy content, or if you're carefully controlling aggro and balling up mobs. While it is worthwhile if that is all you need to do, in general a 30 energy, 5 second cast Spiteful Spirit on a minute recharge is not a good use of a skill slot. Those costs can be avoided if you pre-cast Arcane Echo and wait a little bit before aggroing the mob; however if you have any real responsibilities beyond putting out Spiteful Spirits, that isn't a realistic plan and Arcane Echo turns into a wasted skill slot.

If you're playing with heroes and henchmen, Barbs is absolutely amazing. Call your target with Barbs, and watch the heroes home in on that target while you spread Spiteful and EB. The numbers you should get with a few physicals on the team should be pretty phenomenal.

A "30 energy, 5 second cast Spiteful Spirit on a minute recharge" is a huge exaggeration.

The copy will work for 20 seconds which means there will be two spell uses if the battle lasts that long. Thus in those cases the casting cost is 22.5 energy for the echoed SS.

The cooldown is 20 seconds.

The argument regarding splitting other spells than SS on your bar still stands.

Obviously, though, when I do play SS as my own build I either do it in organized teams, or in AB, where an SS build is ridiculously effective against the low player quality in those areas. In AB I don't bother with Arcane Echo for various reasons. In an organized team effective killing of the mob is at a premium.

When I play on my own with my necromancer, using H/H, I nearly always use SV, with Arcane Echo, Glyph of Swiftness, or Serpent's Quickness.

Before AE got buffed to it's 20sec recharge, it wasn't really a good skill but still useful depending on the situation. If you have access to pve skills, a few of those are also worth echo'ing, especially Pain inverter.

Btw, If your Asura rank is very high, Asuran Scan puts Barbs to shame - It affects all your allies attacks, not just your own. At max rank and 12swordsman, 43 dmg turns into 75 (wild blow). Even better, it increases bonus damage - final thrust did 187dmg on a crit hit

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