Ok so i have been wondering lately. Is it harder to pre-prot in Pve or PvP. I dont have any experience in high level pvp such as gvg or HA. But the times i spent in AB i found it easier to pre-prot my team than in PvE. But that might just be because of the party size being only 4. Oh and we are not using tank/spank tactics in PvE. My Party always rushes in :P
And this brings me onto a second question. How do u pre-prot effectivly?
Thanks alot in advance
Pre-Protting. a question
I D E L E T E D I
ghostlyfenix
look at what the warrior/derv is going for or attacking..well for versing balance atleast
Div
In PvE you pretty much preprot the warriors that are charging in, and then whenever monsters leak through and attack casters, you see who they're going to attack and prot them. Hopefully you don't aggro 4 mobs or else you're pretty much screwed. With careful one group at a time pulling, it should be very easy to see what the monster is going to hit (since monster AI is generally not very smart in switching targets).
In RA/AB where it's for the most part 4 people teams, it's really easy to see the damage source (usually just one physical attacker) and prot the target that's getting hit. Casters will also be pretty easy to prot against. Plus people there tend to like to train one target, so prots are really effective. When you get to GvG, there are generally 2-3 physicals that you have to track, so it's harder, but same applies. At higher levels, physicals learn to switch targets, which makes it even harder than keeping track of more guys when compared to RA/AB. In HA, it's pretty much all channel-spamming, so you pretty much spam prot skills on recharge, and everyone ends up getting protted.
In RA/AB where it's for the most part 4 people teams, it's really easy to see the damage source (usually just one physical attacker) and prot the target that's getting hit. Casters will also be pretty easy to prot against. Plus people there tend to like to train one target, so prots are really effective. When you get to GvG, there are generally 2-3 physicals that you have to track, so it's harder, but same applies. At higher levels, physicals learn to switch targets, which makes it even harder than keeping track of more guys when compared to RA/AB. In HA, it's pretty much all channel-spamming, so you pretty much spam prot skills on recharge, and everyone ends up getting protted.
Bankai
In PvE it's hard to preprot, since there are so many enemies. They also randomly attack targets, so you can't predict who they're targetting if your team is bunched up. Which they always are.
I D E L E T E D I
Well we dont have a warrior in our team build, we run a DA+Aegis chain, BHA+epidemic and SS melee hate, and i prot spirit everyone who gets targeted by eles/rits/high dmg dealers. But still occasionally fall to the floor. Now i am not sure if this is due to the fact that we got overwhelmed by damage or because i did my job wrong.
I have no experience in GvG butt he times i did set my foot into HA, we again totally got overwhelmed with damage. And it didnt help that those thumpers always targeted the monks first even after we were protting each other constantly they just whacked away at us until we were doing( this was in the sway days). And that is why i really think i am doing something wrong. But i have no idea where. I close my party window and just observe the battlefield prot the onces getting targeted.
So does anyone know where i might be going wrong from experience? Did any of you feel the same way that i feel like?
Thanks for everyones replies
I have no experience in GvG butt he times i did set my foot into HA, we again totally got overwhelmed with damage. And it didnt help that those thumpers always targeted the monks first even after we were protting each other constantly they just whacked away at us until we were doing( this was in the sway days). And that is why i really think i am doing something wrong. But i have no idea where. I close my party window and just observe the battlefield prot the onces getting targeted.
So does anyone know where i might be going wrong from experience? Did any of you feel the same way that i feel like?
Thanks for everyones replies
JoeKnowMo
What skills do you have on your bar?
I D E L E T E D I
Divine Favor 12+1
Protection Prayers 12+1+1
[skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill]or[skill]Shield of absorption[/skill]
Is that a good ZB bar or does it need changing?
Protection Prayers 12+1+1
[skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill]or[skill]Shield of absorption[/skill]
Is that a good ZB bar or does it need changing?
Antheus
Quote:
Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I
It's a fairly decent bar for solo monking, as long as you don't encounter much degen or AoE damage.
If you're dual monking, then ZB may cause you energy issues, if you can't work well with other monk to catch the under 50% condition.
Quote:
Monks may get targetted, but in organized pvp, there will usually be counters against pre-protted targets. Either by enchant removal, by switching targets to a non-protected member or through pressure/spikes.
And yes, monks will get pressured heavily. This is why many pvp monk bars have at least one self defense skill. The sin secondary with a stance or shadow step is still as popular as ever.
Quote:
|
and i prot spirit everyone who gets targeted by eles/rits/high dmg dealers.
The "monk keeps party alive" is the first mistake. Is your necro running enfeebling blood, do you bring wards, do you have a paragon, blinding, knockdowns, self-heals on all party members, are you spread out, ...... Monks aren't there to provide infinite heals, survival is a job for every party member - unless you run a spiking build and hope things go well. The bar above is pretty good for pve prot, although I prefer remove hex instead of veil.
I D E L E T E D I
I only play with my other half ^^ who also plays monk and we have a very good coordination, so i nearly always trigger the 50% condition 8/10 times. And this is my PvE build and yeah as i already mentioned i do have a DA para, minion wall enfeebling blood. And since we are talking heros here no matter how much i flag them they will always ball up in some way. When i wnet HA i did bring the standard RC or LoD/infuse(at that time) or even SoD.
And the reason i took veil is because in HM( which is the only PvE i play) it does have its uses. and i only really use it on myself or my other half. To remove migrain shame guilt, etc and yeah i pre-veil in pve :P Grammar
Pre-protting in PvE is easy when the party is organized and well-lead, because you'll always know exactly who will be charging in first and who will be hanging back.
But it can be really hard in unorganized parties that just kind of run around and do whatever. It's those kinds of parties where you have to speak up and give them some direction, such as: -"Warrior/s go in first please, everyone else hang back a sec while he/they engage aggro." -"Please stay back Mrs. Elementalist, don't run up and cast until the enemies engage the warrior/s." -"Please don't outrun the prot monk; if you run ahead and charge into battle before I can catch up, I can't prot you in time." -"Please stop spamming Signet of Pious Light and Pious Assault, Mr. Dervish, you won't survive in the front lines very long without Prot Spirit/SoA/etc." -"No, seriously Mr. Dervish, I don't care how 'godly' of a 'tank' you think you are, you'll die without Prot Spirit; please stop removing it." -"What do you mean 'learn to heal'? I can't heal you if you keep removing my prot enchantments. -"No, I assure you, prot does not suck compared to healing; prot is what's keeping you alive. -"Damn. Well, are we starting over or should we keep going with 7?" You get the idea.  Try to speak up and give them some direction. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Div
Some suggestions:
-run WoH, not ZB -cure hex > veil in PvE -if you don't have warrior, have your highest armor guy take most of the aggro (paragon) -make sure you don't engage the mob with all 8 at same time, or else monsters go rambo
JoeKnowMo
Follow Masamune's suggestions above. Since there's 2 of you with 3 heroes each, just flag your heaviest armored hero right into the mob with pre-prots.
I get the feeling that since you're build is pure prot, your other half is pure heal. In general, this is a bad idea. You're probably better off if both of you are playing hybrid builds. That way the protting isn't left solely to you. For example: You: [skill]Healer's Boon[/skill][skill]Dwayna's Kiss[/skill][skill]Shield Of Absorption[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Glyph Of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Heal Party[/skill][wiki]Cure Hex[/wiki][skill]Ethereal Light[/skill]or[skill]Orison of Healing[/skill] Other half: [skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill][skill]Shield Of Absorption[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill][skill]Glyph Of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Aegis[/skill]][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Word Of Healing[/skill]or[skill]Shield Of Deflection[/skill]or[skill]Restore Condition[/skill][skill]Optional[/skill] This way, both of you can prot and both can push red bars up. If you're not going to be facing any rough hexes, I'd replace Cure Hex with another prot.
I D E L E T E D I
The reason i kept Veil is because i pre veiled in the jungel HM with those migraine guys. since then i just kept it on my bar :P And i did run WoH for the days it was uber leet but i prefered the extra 2 energy back from ZB than a 10hp extra heal. And hmm i never have a tank or any high armor player in my party i hate the whole idea of having someone taking most of the aggro. I like the 8 man party rushing in and then prot through the whole battle
 . I suppose thats where i have been going wrong PvE wise. But so far i have had great success with my tactics and 2/3 Guardians proofs it. Just thought i would be able to improve even more >.< Even learnt how to weapon swap for PvE xDBut thanks everyone for all the great insight i think i realize where my tactics went wrong :P
Div
Quote:
Originally Posted by I D E L E T E D I
i prefered the extra 2 energy back from ZB than a 10hp extra heal.
WoH got buffed. It heals for like 50 points more than ZB now.
|