I've been thinking up builds all day and the only one I came across Is this one.
14 Strength
13 Swordsmanship
13 Tactics
Flail
Enraging Charge
Standing Slash
Crippling Slash {ELITE}
Knee Cutter
Riposte
Resurrection Signet
Healing Signet
I don't have EOTN for Knee Cutter.. so If someone Is kind enough to test If this build works It would be great.
I forgot to explain, Hit up Enraging Charge and then when you have enough ADR for Crippling Slash; use It. Build up enough ADR for Flail
and use Knee Cutter + Standing Slash for ADR + Energy bonus and Damage dealing. Use Riposte whenever you can. Apply Crippling Slash whenever you can.
Build W/ANY
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Marty Silverblade
-Swordsmanship needs to be at least 14
-From your attributes, it seems like you're using alot of major and minor runes -> you only really need to use one at max, and that's for your weapon mastery (unless you're going a major/major split with Str and Wep Mastery and want 14 Str so you don't lose your sentinels bonus from weakness.)
-Knee cutter isn't that good
-Crippling Slash is pointless without Gash, and subpar to DSlash in PvE
-Riposte sucks
-From your attributes, it seems like you're using alot of major and minor runes -> you only really need to use one at max, and that's for your weapon mastery (unless you're going a major/major split with Str and Wep Mastery and want 14 Str so you don't lose your sentinels bonus from weakness.)
-Knee cutter isn't that good
-Crippling Slash is pointless without Gash, and subpar to DSlash in PvE
-Riposte sucks
Our
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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade
-Swordsmanship needs to be at least 14
-From your attributes, it seems like you're using alot of major and minor runes -> you only really need to use one at max, and that's for your weapon mastery (unless you're going a major/major split with Str and Wep Mastery and want 14 Str so you don't lose your sentinels bonus from weakness.)
-Knee cutter isn't that good
-Crippling Slash is pointless without Gash, and subpar to DSlash in PvE
-Riposte sucks I put Crippling Slash and Flail In there for a reason.
-From your attributes, it seems like you're using alot of major and minor runes -> you only really need to use one at max, and that's for your weapon mastery (unless you're going a major/major split with Str and Wep Mastery and want 14 Str so you don't lose your sentinels bonus from weakness.)
-Knee cutter isn't that good
-Crippling Slash is pointless without Gash, and subpar to DSlash in PvE
-Riposte sucks I put Crippling Slash and Flail In there for a reason.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Our
I put Crippling Slash and Flail In there for a reason.
Why?
1 2 chars
1 2 chars
Our
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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny
Why?
1 2 chars So your enemy Is running off while you have your Flail stance activated.
1 2 chars So your enemy Is running off while you have your Flail stance activated.
Crom The Pale
This build has more than a few flaws, but is not totaly unworkable.
I would sugest dropping all tactics and swaping [skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill] for [skill]Healing Signet[/skill] and [skill]Power Attack[/skill] for [skill]Riposte[/skill].
You should also swap out Knee cutter for [skill]Gash[/skill] and for PvP swap [skill]Flail[/skill] for [skill]Frenzy[/skill].
Use Enraging Charge off the top and give it time to recharge before hitting Frenzy in case you need to cancel it.
With 15 Str and 14 Sword and the remainder in Tactics your attacks deal much better dmg and lions cumfort will be a satisfactory heal.
Note: If power attack drains your energy more than you like swap it for counter attack.
I would sugest dropping all tactics and swaping [skill]Lion's Comfort[/skill] for [skill]Healing Signet[/skill] and [skill]Power Attack[/skill] for [skill]Riposte[/skill].
You should also swap out Knee cutter for [skill]Gash[/skill] and for PvP swap [skill]Flail[/skill] for [skill]Frenzy[/skill].
Use Enraging Charge off the top and give it time to recharge before hitting Frenzy in case you need to cancel it.
With 15 Str and 14 Sword and the remainder in Tactics your attacks deal much better dmg and lions cumfort will be a satisfactory heal.
Note: If power attack drains your energy more than you like swap it for counter attack.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
With 15 Str and 14 Sword
14 Sword and 13 Str is better.
Qdq Swi
Riposte in PvE -_-.
Shadow Own
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Cripslash + knee cutter+ gash is nice pressure combo for pvp
Cripslash + knee cutter+ gash is nice pressure combo for pvp
MisterB
Knee Cutter doesn't do pressure, no.
Sister Rosette
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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi
Riposte in PvE -_-.
Is underestimated.
Our
I really don't understand you people but I'm going to continue to experiment with this build.
Savio
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Originally Posted by Our
I really don't understand you people but I'm going to continue to experiment with this build.
This is a bad Cripslash build. That's all you need to understand.
Qdq Swi
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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Is underestimated.
No, no, I'm pretty sure it isnt. Its quite useless both PvPwise and PvEwise.. It's only good in 1v1s and maybe even farming.. other than that... tis utter cow pie.
Crom The Pale
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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi
No, no, I'm pretty sure it isnt. Its quite useless both PvPwise and PvEwise.. It's only good in 1v1s and maybe even farming.. other than that... tis utter cow pie.
Actually Riposte + Deadly Riposte in PvE is quite effective if you understand the foes your fighting.
Many axe wars in PvE use cyclone axe or triple chop, this means just by standing near one of your casters while you attack him you will deal damage with riposte. Also vs any dervish.
Not to mention if your holding agro on a group of wars or fighting a war boss.
You would also be amazed at just how many sins and wars in PvP fail to stop attacking vs a riposte build......
Many axe wars in PvE use cyclone axe or triple chop, this means just by standing near one of your casters while you attack him you will deal damage with riposte. Also vs any dervish.
Not to mention if your holding agro on a group of wars or fighting a war boss.
You would also be amazed at just how many sins and wars in PvP fail to stop attacking vs a riposte build......
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
You would also be amazed at just how many sins and wars in RA/AB fail to stop attacking vs a riposte build......
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Sister Rosette
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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi
No, no, I'm pretty sure it isnt. Its quite useless both PvPwise and PvEwise.. It's only good in 1v1s and maybe even farming.. other than that... tis utter cow pie.
Auspicious Parry+Riposte+Deadly Riposte + Support Healer = Nearly endless melee destroyer blocking~
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Auspicious Parry+Riposte+Deadly Riposte + Support Healer = Nearly endless melee destroyer blocking~
Yes, it works vs. melee, but the problem is what are you doing with that build that helps the group? How does it measure up against other possible builds and what they could be doing for the group? Perhaps more pertinent, what are you going to do if nothing attacks you?
Sister Rosette
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Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
Second question: No build is sublime. I use this one because I find it useful and fun, and if it succeeds at what is needed, why waste time wondering what I could be running?
Third, and most pertinent question: See the first answer, with good team communication, I have ample time to grab the full aggro, and thus put a fleshy wall between the Destroyers and the casters.
LightningHell
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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Second question: No build is sublime. I use this one because I find it useful and fun, and if it succeeds at what is needed, why waste time wondering what I could be running?
Many people seek to maximize efficiency.
After all, many of us are here to convince other people (and wait to be convinced) that such is more effective than something else.
After all, many of us are here to convince other people (and wait to be convinced) that such is more effective than something else.
Sister Rosette
Right. Because it's not supposed to be fun or anything. *Laughs*
iridescentfyre
Well, of course you have every right to run whatever build you like on the basis of fun. It just seems to me like most people here are interested in running builds that will get them into smart, effective groups that actually accomplish things because that's what they (and I) find to be fun. Thus I always jump at the opportunity to point out a build that isn't up to par. Run what you like.
Sister Rosette
*Shrugs* Those 3 skills, supplemented with Earth Prayers skills and a couple tactics based attacks brought me through the last 50% of GWEN with no problem. Not trying to debunk your reasoning behind it though, I'm sure it's possible to do far better with fewer skill slots used up, but a Derv has a hard enough time getting groups as it is.
Qdq Swi
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Perhaps in PvE it 'Could' be usefull, but its utterly useless for 'general' pve and general Dragon Slash builds are probably more usefull in the event that there 'are' war bosses and what not.
And Aus parry + both riposted is just dumb cus the majority of people in RA are casters/ soj sins, there arent as many wars in RA as you would expect.
Body blocking isnt as simple as good communication or making good use of your suroundings. There are other un-known factors in both Nm and Hm that hinder body-blocking, hence its not that efficient.
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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
*Shrugs* Those 3 skills, supplemented with Earth Prayers skills and a couple tactics based attacks brought me through the last 50% of GWEN with no problem. Not trying to debunk your reasoning behind it though, I'm sure it's possible to do far better with fewer skill slots used up, but a Derv has a hard enough time getting groups as it is.
Now thats just rubbish cus anyone could probably finish 100% of Eotn just with decent heroes and Ursan Blessing.P.s. Now if you do play as an assasin and are offended by this post... TOUGH. Cus I myself play as an assasin and know WHEN to stop attacking, especially if ip, ss, price of failure and reckless haste are on me all at once tyvm, with careful timing and half the brain to percept WHEN a war is going to use a riposte a sin 'can' switch targets or interupt their own attacks to save their ass-hides.
DeBron
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Originally Posted by Our
I really don't understand you people but I'm going to continue to experiment with this build.
If you're not going to try to understand and accept criticism then don't post your builds.
Sister Rosette
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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi
Actually no, I wouldn't be amazed, infact I would expect it. Why? Cus the majority of sins in Ra and Abs are utter idiots. They go : OOOhh I LIKE NARUTO!!! WANNA BE ASSASIN! Which is totally understandable... But either way lets face it... Most sins in RA now are Deadly Arts Soj sins which isnt paragoned by ripostes.
Perhaps in PvE it 'Could' be usefull, but its utterly useless for 'general' pve and general Dragon Slash builds are probably more usefull in the event that there 'are' war bosses and what not. And Aus parry + both riposted is just dumb cus the majority of people in RA are casters/ soj sins, there arent as many wars in RA as you would expect. Body blocking isnt as simple as good communication or making good use of your suroundings. There are other un-known factors in both Nm and Hm that hinder body-blocking, hence its not that efficient. Now thats just rubbish cus anyone could probably finish 100% of Eotn just with decent heroes and Ursan Blessing. P.s. Now if you do play as an assasin and are offended by this post... TOUGH. Cus I myself play as an assasin and know WHEN to stop attacking, especially if ip, ss, price of failure and reckless haste are on me all at once tyvm, with careful timing and half the brain to percept WHEN a war is going to use a riposte a sin 'can' switch targets or interupt their own attacks to save their ass-hides. Odd...I never said I play that skill combo in PvP....but okay then. Also, as long as we're being snippy, how does one complete 100% of EOTN with Ursan Blessing when you have to complete the Nornbear Quests, as well as the Bear Spirit quests before you even have ACCESS to it? Also, if you're just gonna Ursanway through GWEN, why bother?
Qdq Swi
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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
Odd...I never said I play that skill combo in PvP....but okay then. Also, as long as we're being snippy, how does one complete 100% of EOTN with Ursan Blessing when you have to complete the Nornbear Quests, as well as the Bear Spirit quests before you even have ACCESS to it?
Also, if you're just gonna Ursanway through GWEN, why bother? Getting access to the quest and completing the quests/ missions before that are... well easy. Honestly you could probably just do it with decent heroes... Any build would work... Sever - Gash - Final Thrust to the nornbear quest... Which IS an easy quest... I dunno I gave ursan as an easy alternative. Ive never even completed GWEN on one char... Ive done norn on my war, asuran on my necro and vanguard on my assasin, I wouldnt bother doing GWEN anyway. But if you are going to ursanway through GWEN atleast you get to do some decent dungeons and get semi-decent loot.
Sister Rosette
So you haven't even beaten GWEN and you're telling someone else what would or wouldn't work in later missions? Nice.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
So you haven't even beaten GWEN and you're telling someone else what would or wouldn't work in later missions? Nice.
If something works in PvE, it really isn't indicative of any sort of skill or efficiency.
The build of the OP is awful, and riposte will always be bad, no matter what. Unless, of course, you're monking, and you think it's funny to carry deadly riposte and gash on your bar; hilarity generally ensues.
Qdq Swi
I dont spend my time on it, Im far too busy doing other things. Ive done the majority of GWEN just not the end of it lol. People say its far too short and far too easy... Although you may need a PuG here and there for some of the missions. Il get round to doing it when I have the spare time... But theres not much urging me to do so.
glountz
Dragon slash-"For Great Justice"-"Save Yourselves!" builds are so much better. So much.
Brian the Gladiator
You really need gash in the build. Deep Wound is the best condition ever and you should bring it on any melee class skill bar IMO.
[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Flail[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]"Shields Up!"[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]Death Pact Signet[/skill] Attributes: Swordsmanship --> 12+1+1 (14) Tactics --> 10+1 (11) Strength -->8+1 (9) The reason why this build is better than the one you posted is: 1)Gash should be on every Sword Warrior skill bar because deep wound is sooooooo good. 2)This build offers party support with "Shields Up!" "Watch Yourself!". Some form of party support should be on almost every person in the group. 3)Death Pact Signet is the best Resurrection skill in the game when it is not a Mesmer with Fast Casting or an Elementalist with [skill=text]Glyph of Sacrifice[/skill]. EDIT: This is for PvE and assuming you don't have PvE skills at your disposal
iridescentfyre
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Originally Posted by Sister Rosette
So you haven't even beaten GWEN and you're telling someone else what would or wouldn't work in later missions? Nice.
Well, I've beaten EotN twice now, and I can attest that even in the later missions, you're mostly on hero/henchman-powered autopilot like everywhere else in Normal Mode PvE.
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