Can't find ANY skill trainers, used maps

mainly, i'm looking for Sir Bertran, according to this site, he's in ascalon city somewhere, but i can't find him.

down opposite side of dye trader and stuff...right down the stairs from the guild registar

hold down the alt key and rotate, the npc's will be green.

i know, but i still haven't ever seen his name anywhere in ascalon

foud guild guy, but i go down the stairs, theres no dye trader or trainer.
hold alt, i see no sir anything

are u in post searing? ^^

ur prob not, u are in pre searing, and i dont think there are any skill trainers in pre. Go to post, if u wanna meet sir Bertran

it might not be sir anymore. and i can gurantee there is a sir of somekind, i suggest someone to check your eyes. You go down the stairs and see the skill guy...cmon man you can do it

huh?
i've heard the term post/pre searing before, but what the heck are they?

Pre-searing - Where you start the game off. The land is all green and pretty, sun shines everywhere.

Post Sear - Where the real game starts and where -Sir Bertran- is. The area is generally darker and more...evil if you may.

If you ARE in pre sear, after you do the battle with 4 other random people you make it to Post! hurray!

do you mean the quest with that guy that says something like "this might be your last time here, if you have any business, do it now"?

This is interesting
I remember when I had this problem...
I read up on the stuff before playing the game and thought the pre-searing was the real thing

Have fun buddy.

you start in 'presear'.
it's very small compared to 'postsear' and you will be anywhere from 2nd to 6th level when you transition.

when you pick a secondary class and complete the primary quest in your log[L], some guy will ask if you're ready to move on (you can't go back).
then you will move on to post and actually begin the game.

the terms 'presear' and 'postsear' are derived from the main storyline.


edit: I need to learn how to type faster.

edit ps: and I will buy your black dyes --- 3 for 10 gp.

eom, that's what i was looking for, i got that guy to say that, i just have;n't done it yet. how long does that quest take?

not sure what you mean --- how long does it take?

It doesn't take very long... you just run through with Prince Rurik, take out some Grawl, and eventually the Charr you saw running around before. It takes like 15-20 minutes, if that. And somehow, I'm thinking it's less. Haven't done it in a long time, though.

that guy, how long does this part take?

alrighyt, thanks alot for everything

how long in real time?

I don't remember it all that well.
basically, you need to pick a secondary class ---- that's what my big holdup was.
then, I think they run you through a little random pvp arena to try and forcefeed you some pvp --snowball arena was a much better idea.
although, it should have had dp.....

I think that's about it --- and maybe what that other guy mentioned ^^

Umm havn't been in pre sear for a while, but yeah that's pretty much it. <-- if it's the one where you have the choice saying "Yes, I'm ready to leave everything behind"

..that happened to me too! I had a friend ask me where I was in the game, and I replied "Oh, the catacombs ^^"

Intense.

Psh! I'll pay 11!
/wins

Don't make me..hurt you..*twitch* 7h053 dy3 r m1n3!!

it took me 3 days to complete.

i will trade you red dye for 5 black dyes...red pwns black