It's offical! A.net HATES trees!

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

18 Nov 2007 at 15:23 - 1
One of my all-time favourite skill changes was the balance of Debilitating Shot.
The only reason why I REALLY love it is simple.
It has shown a superb lack of thinking things through in terms of what a certain skill's change does in the persistent world of GW. In PvP the skillbars change after a balance - in the persistent world of PvE that can't happen without the input of A.Net!
So what did this change bring?
Well, Debilitating Shot used to be an unlinked skill.
And the lovely Redwood Shepherds LOVED using it!
Then the skill was moved and all of a sudden - the guys STILL love using it.
Too bad their Marksmanship is 0!

And now - we have a new contestant for the best skill change!
Energizing Wind.
The skill was trashed a week ago.
Too bad that nobody though of the poor Oakhearts!
Yep, you guessed it!
Their Beast Mastery is .. once again ... 0!

Won't somebody please think of the chil ... I mean ... TREES!
Not only do we make toilet paper out of their brothers and sisters ... now this too ....?

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:32 - 2
XD Wow, good updates ANET. Atleast they pay attention to what they're doing.

Count to Potato

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:35 - 3
Nice, but u see how they changed monk b/c of WoH, enough complaining about trees and their atts will change!

Alexandra-Sweet

Alexandra-Sweet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

That one place with the trees, mountains and snow

Ember Power Mercenaries [EMP]

Me/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:35 - 4
I can't count how many Assassin monsters have an incorrect combo, it's just Arena Net not thinking long enough about monster's skills/builds.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:38 - 5
[skill]Avatar Of Melandru[/skill] Hasn't been nerfed yet.

I guess they do like trees after all

Alexandra-Sweet

Alexandra-Sweet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

That one place with the trees, mountains and snow

Ember Power Mercenaries [EMP]

Me/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:39 - 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by dan-the-noob
[skill]Avatar Of Melandru[/skill] Hasn't been nerfed yet.

I guess they do like trees after all
Actually, it was nerfed some time after Nightfall was released.
They decreased the +health from 200 to 100.

Woop Shotty

Woop Shotty

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ruthless Mafia [RM]

Mo/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:40 - 7
I'm sure they'll change the trees. They already changed the forgotten priests.

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

W/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:41 - 8
But... forgotten priests is PvP...

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

18 Nov 2007 at 15:42 - 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
Actually, it was nerfed some time after Nightfall was released.
They decreased the +health from 200 to 100.
o.O!
The plot thickens!

Brianna

Brianna

Insane & Inhumane

Join Date: Feb 2006

18 Nov 2007 at 15:42 - 10
Good call, kinda comical.

Zeek Aran

Zeek Aran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Earth, sadly

BORK

A/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:44 - 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus
But... forgotten priests is PvP...
"Reduced the healing attributes of Forgotten Priests in the Thirsty River to compensate for the increased effectiveness of their Word of Healing skill."

PvE.

Jebus

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

Belgium

Legion of Sacred Light [LSL]

W/

18 Nov 2007 at 15:48 - 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
"Reduced the healing attributes of Forgotten Priests in the Thirsty River to compensate for the increased effectiveness of their Word of Healing skill."

PvE.
Oh, I thought they changed those priests in Fetid River.


>.<

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Nov 2007 at 15:53 - 13
Quote:
Won't somebody please think of the chil ... I mean ... threes!
Hey, third time's a charm.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

18 Nov 2007 at 16:03 - 14
Avatar of Melandru still lives.

They don't hate trees enough.

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

18 Nov 2007 at 16:13 - 15
It's not that ArenaNet hates tress, it's that Izzy is too shortsighted to see how PvP balance affects PvE monsters.

Earth

Earth

Always Outnumbered

Join Date: Jul 2006

18 Nov 2007 at 16:14 - 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
It's not that ArenaNet hates tress, it's that Izzy is too shortsighted to see how PvP balance affects PvE monsters.
Oh, look. A Zinger post. Don't you get tired of this?

Chicken Ftw

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

18 Nov 2007 at 16:14 - 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Avatar of Melandru still lives.

They don't hate trees enough.
Ya, it was never really about the HP in the first place imo, that's just like a bonus to the condition immunity.

Alexandra-Sweet

Alexandra-Sweet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

That one place with the trees, mountains and snow

Ember Power Mercenaries [EMP]

Me/

18 Nov 2007 at 16:15 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex
Avatar of Melandru still lives.

They don't hate trees enough.

Riiiiiiiiight.

And what about the huge forestfire in Sacnoth Valley?

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

18 Nov 2007 at 16:19 - 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
It's not that ArenaNet hates tress, it's that Izzy is too shortsighted to see how PvP balance affects PvE monsters.
Yeah, they should buff all the plant monsters so they actually pose a threat to players. I'm sure the PvErs will love that.

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

18 Nov 2007 at 16:20 - 20
Upier my advice to you is this. Run and hide, upier. Run and hide.
That's all I ask.

moko

moko

??uo??o??

Join Date: May 2006

18 Nov 2007 at 16:48 - 21
time to pull out my plant weapons!

Big_Daddy

Big_Daddy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Big Daddy Experience [BigD]

N/Mo

18 Nov 2007 at 16:53 - 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokone
time to pull out my plant weapons!
....MUST.... RESIST.... OBVIOUS... WOOD.... JOKE....MUST.. RESIST!!!

Guillaume De Sonoma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

aFk

Me/Rt

18 Nov 2007 at 16:56 - 23
You are kidding me, right?

However, I wish Anet would take a closer look at all the monsters and henchmen and how skill changes affect them.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

18 Nov 2007 at 17:10 - 24
how about urgoz? he is a big tree

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Nov 2007 at 17:18 - 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokone
time to pull out my plant weapons!
\/\/TS perfect pruning mods, 2k each!!1111

Rathcail

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

18 Nov 2007 at 18:02 - 26
I think the most ominous sounding weapon name I've ever got as a drop was "forbidden staff of pruning".

Just thought I'd share that.

pumpkin pie

pumpkin pie

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

behind you

bumble bee

E/

18 Nov 2007 at 18:05 - 27
It was the one arm man!!!

xhappy feetx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Isle of the Nameless

Black Crescent [BC] / Stonebenders [sC] / The Rimmers [rR]

W/E

18 Nov 2007 at 19:15 - 28
This is dull, the game will always be balanced around PvP, get used to it, at least you got Gwen and unlinked favor of the gods when you complained about sitting in ToA for ages w/ no ecto runs >< I /QQ

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

18 Nov 2007 at 19:38 - 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
Upier my advice to you is this. Run and hide, upier. Run and hide.
That's all I ask.
It stops today!
I shall run no more!
I shall stand up against the injustice of this world!
No tree shall be ever harmed again!
They can delete my characters, they can give away all my gold - but they won't take the freedom of the trees!

Tonight we dine manure to show support for our brethren!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulless Warhawk
how about urgoz? he is a big tree
Just goes to show how diabolical their plan is!
We, the heroes, are going against it! The tree is portrayed as the source of all evil!
I am telling you - I wouldn't be surprised if by next week we'll have pictures of naked A.Net interns dancing around a burning tree, drinking sheep blood!
Mark my words!
Naked dancing!
Sheep blood!



Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
It's not that ArenaNet hates tress, it's that Izzy is too shortsighted to see how PvP balance affects PvE monsters.
I think it was pretty obvious that that was what I was going at.
It's just that SOMETIMES it's more effective to express the negative view through a different way then to make the 1000th thread titled "OMG!11! A.Net are teh SUXORS!11!!! They hate PvE!11!!" At least that way the thread might stay open long enough for somebody to actually notice it and do something about it rather then turning into a pissing contest and be closed down after 5 posts!
Know thy target audience - save the cheerleader!
Or tree in this case!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Antheus
Hey, third time's a charm.
Man that reminds me of the time I was in Aspy.
I was running Domination.
Then I decided that it would be better to switch to Illusion.
So I switch the skills - but not the attribute points.
Then I get in and start panicking in the team cheat that my hexes were nerfed and the game is bugged because my Nightmare lasted only like 2 secs when it should have 13!
Just goes to prove that I can still do it!
(Self-ownage that is!)
Quick Robin!
To the edit button!
*Batman theme plays in the background as our hero dashes into the sunset. Or to the edit button!*


edit: An NO! You can't have what I am having!

cosyfiep

cosyfiep

are we there yet?

Join Date: Dec 2005

in a land far far away

guild? I am supposed to have a guild?

Rt/

18 Nov 2007 at 20:28 - 30
well that means at least one thing is easy to beat in HM now......

Shadowfox1125

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

W/

18 Nov 2007 at 20:31 - 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by X Earth X
Oh, look. A Zinger post. Don't you get tired of this?
I look forward to Zinger posts.

Petrified Forests, 'nuff said.

jackie

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

18 Nov 2007 at 20:43 - 32
Maybe some of the skill balancers got beaten by a stick as a child and now they unload all the traumatic experience through friday night updates.

MMSDome

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

18 Nov 2007 at 20:48 - 33
wow, please work on building roads and parking lots over these trees

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

D/

18 Nov 2007 at 20:59 - 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandra-Sweet
Actually, it was nerfed some time after Nightfall was released.
They decreased the +health from 200 to 100.
Yes but it was never the health that is considered imba

ensoriki

ensoriki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

18 Nov 2007 at 21:08 - 35
Also
Illidus of the Empty Palm cannot use his Dual...noticed this today.
It was hard enough for him since he has no hex, but now its completely impossible.

Luxon's got pwnt >.>

wu is me

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

18 Nov 2007 at 22:00 - 36
i think the Bonus mission pack proved that Anet loves trees =] at least, irl.

gremlin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

GWAR

Me/Mo

18 Nov 2007 at 22:14 - 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by xhappy feetx
This is dull, the game will always be balanced around PvP, get used to it, at least you got Gwen and unlinked favor of the gods when you complained about sitting in ToA for ages w/ no ecto runs >< I /QQ

Yep your probably correct, pvp is the melting pot where most skill ballancing comes from and its effectively a good cheap way of beta testing skills before finalising them.
Certainly more skill combinations are tried in pvp than pve.

This also means that pvp causes arenanet programmers more work so if they ever decide pvp is causing more problems than it solves then it will change.
This will Probably be worse for the game as a whole.

Of course this doesnt mean as a pve player I will ever stop moaning about pvp pressure making my pve skills change.
But then Im a grumpy old man who loves to moan.

sindex

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

18 Nov 2007 at 22:33 - 38
All that A-net needs to learn how to do is recycle. Recycle the skills that have no meaning or purpose anymore. You have skills that will never see the light of day, if you do not make them more versatile. Seriously, it’s not just about the overpowered skills, it’s also about the inadequate skills that need to be taken in consideration for the balance. Otherwise, every skill (or profession(s)) will eventually die a painful and horrid death.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

18 Nov 2007 at 22:40 - 39
Anets HQ is surrounded by Trees so how could they hate them being around Seattle.Go get Greenpeace on them maybe they will change it.

Mammoth

Mammoth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Yakslappers

Mo/Me

18 Nov 2007 at 22:52 - 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by Age
Anets HQ is surrounded by Trees so how could they hate them being around Seattle.Go get Greenpeace on them maybe they will change it.
That's just it, if you are around too many of them for too long, you may get sick of them and want to hurt them!

Evil trees that want to hurt people, turning an entire forest to stone, weapon modifiers specifically tailored to making plants die faster, fire magic being extra effective on plant types, I see how it is...

Imagine how many enemies the Silvari are going to have...