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Paragons seem to be the most unused character in the game.
Least ammount of builds per any class.
Zero Great builds for PvP
Has everyone just given up on paragon completely or is there some hope for the future of the Para?
Why does no one like them?
your input is greatly appreciated.
Why do Paragons Suck ?
Wrath of m0o
Quru
Paragons are great. I use paragon hero very often, 2 hero/hench monks + defensive paragon = no accident wipes
Malice Black
Paragons suck?!
Last I heard a well set up Paragon keeps a team alive.
Stop playing in Pugs..
Last I heard a well set up Paragon keeps a team alive.
Stop playing in Pugs..
dies like fish
Paragons are overpowered in every aspect of the game. People are just too dumb to figure that out.
MagmaRed
Paragons don't suck, buildwiki does.
Watch GvG matches in observer mode. You will see a lot of high end guilds using Paragons. Although not looked for by PUGs, Paragons can be quite powerful in PvE. The turn physical damage dealers into death machines, and they make a Monks job easy.
Don't assume PVX is a good resource.
Watch GvG matches in observer mode. You will see a lot of high end guilds using Paragons. Although not looked for by PUGs, Paragons can be quite powerful in PvE. The turn physical damage dealers into death machines, and they make a Monks job easy.
Don't assume PVX is a good resource.
pkodyssey
Open your mind. Paragons are so overpowered. People dont play them or Mesmer's because the don't see HUGE yellow or blue numbers flying off there screen.
Darkobra
People say paragons suck for the same reason they say mesmers suck: They're clueless little sheep who follow what someone else says through "peer pressure".
Drakken Breathes Fire
There is no such thing a a class that sucks.
There is such a thing as people who suck at certain classes.
Paragon, like any other has it's role to play which it excels at.
There is such a thing as people who suck at certain classes.
Paragon, like any other has it's role to play which it excels at.
isamu kurosawa
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Paragons are overpowered in every aspect of the game. People are just too dumb to figure that out.
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Wrath of m0o
My mesmer pwns paragons in pvp
Or at least i get more that 50% glad points playing other characters.
I would much rather play mesmer than para.
Or at least i get more that 50% glad points playing other characters.
I would much rather play mesmer than para.
Earth
You think paragons suck because of buildwiki? Buildwiki sucks, paragons are awesome, IF you know how to play them.
dies like fish
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You think paragons suck because of buildwiki? Buildwiki sucks, paragons are awesome, IF you know how to play them.
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Stormlord Alex
Paragons are still one of the strongest professions in GW, even after multiple nerfs.
PvXwiki sucks, btw.
PvXwiki sucks, btw.
Avarre
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People say paragons suck for the same reason they say mesmers suck: They're clueless little sheep who follow what someone else says through "peer pressure".
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Oh wait.
Darkobra
Yeah, NO ONE says "Mesmers suck" in PVP. Honest. Oh. I must be playing a game where people can respect each other.
ParanoidDenny
Well how about giving the lad a build then instead of slagging off build sites!
sagilltwins
Paragons don't suck... they're just ugly
Wrath of m0o
Ya I guess Paragon was designed to be used in HA
Where para's buffs can be utalized by a well put together team of qualified players all on vent/TS.
When it comes to playing with people that dont want to stay in your shout bubble, i guess playing this character can be at most..challenging.
Try bringing a para to RA and see how many losses you get, it is the only character i havent gotten 10 wins with yet.
Guess im not playing it right, or the others around me dont care about my buffs.
Where para's buffs can be utalized by a well put together team of qualified players all on vent/TS.
When it comes to playing with people that dont want to stay in your shout bubble, i guess playing this character can be at most..challenging.
Try bringing a para to RA and see how many losses you get, it is the only character i havent gotten 10 wins with yet.
Guess im not playing it right, or the others around me dont care about my buffs.
Sir Seifus Halbred
Paragons are a hard class to play just like the mesmer. People assume they are bad either because they have never tried the class or are not very good with them.
SylentSlayer
my paragon has 300 hours around on it....been my fav class since i first made it, ive never once had a problem with it
Antheus
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Hmmm....
Well, after they were introduced, they were so absurdly overpowered, that they made pvp into a big joke. A very large number of nerfs later (not balance changes, but straight out nerfs), they've been brought down into a reasonable state.
In PvE, well, don't leave the outpost without them, especially if they are played by real players.
McMullen
Paragons provide some of the best DPS on their own with ranged attacks, they can build up adrenaline much faster than a warrior, they can provide pressure heals to help make the monks job easier, energy management is stupidly simple (make you wonder why Soul Reaping was nerfed again).. I could go on..
They're crap at splitting though, that's about the only thing.
They're crap at splitting though, that's about the only thing.
Wrath of m0o
anyone care to share with me a good para pvp build.. the paragon section is kinda lacking. Is hammer paragon even worth it?
McMullen
Hammer paragon's are usually inferior compared to their warrior counterparts because of limitation of IAS skills (using aggressive refrain will bring your armour level down to that of a squishy).
Crom The Pale
With Paragons the larger the party the more powerfull they become. With more people affected by thier shouts they get more energy back and can keep up shouting indefinately.
In parties size 4 or smaller they tend to be less effective though they can still dish out some nice dmg and if the buffs are timed correctly be very effective with those as well.
I have noticed paragons seam to have a limited variety of builds, 3-4 good builds and thats about it.
In parties size 4 or smaller they tend to be less effective though they can still dish out some nice dmg and if the buffs are timed correctly be very effective with those as well.
I have noticed paragons seam to have a limited variety of builds, 3-4 good builds and thats about it.
Earth
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crazy diamond
I remember way back when people thought Rangers sucked. Then they said it was Rits when Factions came out. And it's been Paragons ever since Nightfall.
Who are you people, and how do you keep doing this?
Who are you people, and how do you keep doing this?
Onarik Amrak
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I remember way back when people thought Rangers sucked. Then they said it was Rits when Factions came out. And it's been Paragons ever since Nightfall.
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britnie31
Paragons only suck if USER ERROR ocurs ..
Clarissa F
And yet everyone swears by the holy trinity. I've had more success with teams without a crappy monk, a war that can't tank or give damage, or an ele that swears by his SF build.
Paras are great. They may have few elites or build combos, but they don't need them. A few spear skills, AF, TNTF, and party supports, and they will lift any team to success. I cut through NF like butter on a paragon.
As for "give him a build, then," play with the character, find his strengths, and make your own builds. Being used to them, you will probably play them better than any cookie cutter off lamebuildwiki.
[email protected] being lame. most popular class on here.
Paras are great. They may have few elites or build combos, but they don't need them. A few spear skills, AF, TNTF, and party supports, and they will lift any team to success. I cut through NF like butter on a paragon.
As for "give him a build, then," play with the character, find his strengths, and make your own builds. Being used to them, you will probably play them better than any cookie cutter off lamebuildwiki.
[email protected] being lame. most popular class on here.
pfaile
I love my paragon, I can't wait till the update that I can take 7 heroes into PVE and have at it, the heroes do the best with my calls, the henchies show no difference. And PUGS, yuck, people first need to know what aggro is between team-mates as well as enemies.
A paragon doesn't do but a fraction of the overall killing, but she helps her team kill more quickly and efficiently.
A paragon doesn't do but a fraction of the overall killing, but she helps her team kill more quickly and efficiently.
Improvavel
Well anything that runs "nothing to fear", ias of choice (i dislike agressive refrain with ai monks), 2-3 spear attacks, 1-2 offensive support skills and 1-2 defensive support skills is a good build. If u have 2 paras, then one bring the offensive support and the other the defensive. And PARAGONS THROW SPEARS, so use them.
Shadowfox1125
This build pretty much owns PvE..
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ed_PvE_Paragon
though there are some better builds.
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ed_PvE_Paragon
though there are some better builds.
dies like fish
Basic PvP Paragon Template:
[skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]"Shields Up!"[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]
[skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]"Shields Up!"[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]
xhappy feetx
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Check buildwiki
Paragons seem to be the most unused character in the game. Least ammount of builds per any class. Zero Great builds for PvP Has everyone just given up on paragon completely or is there some hope for the future of the Para? Why does no one like them? your input is greatly appreciated. |
Neo Nugget
Ok, this has been discussed many many times, so this question doesn't really have an answer to it, some people like paragons, other's don't.
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