Tin Man Preview is using Guild Wars Music!

RSGashapon

RSGashapon

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Just finished watching Big Fish on the Sci-Fi channel, then decided to keep the TV on to see the preview for this new retelling of the Wizard of Oz.

Two pieces of music they've played have sounded very familiar. Guild Wars music, more specifically from Nightfall and Eye of the North. One that plays in some Tyrian areas, the other in Vabbi (and also during Rollerbeetle racing events).

Can anyone confirm this? Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe Jeremy Soule composed for them and the pieces are indeed similar. It's still on as I write this, so tune in and have a listen.


Addition: It is from Guild Wars, I'm in Oola's Lab at the moment and the music is almost exactly in sync with the Tin Man preview. It's creepy!

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

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Join Date: Feb 2005

How interesting! I'll ask about this, for sure.

lakatz

lakatz

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Tim Burton's "Big Fish"? With Ewan MacGregor, Billy Crudup, etc etc etc?

If so, good film. Worth seeing again... and again... and again.

On topic, I can't wait to find out what Gaile discovers. I'm going on an IMDb quest now to see what I can see.

EDIT: I'm back from my exploration... Original music by Simon Boswell http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0910812/fullcredits#cast

And here's a trailer w/ a taste of the soundtrack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sjnie-aqYw

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

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Join Date: Feb 2006

Any youtube links or likewise?

pamelf

pamelf

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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Yeah, I'd love to see this preview! I'm going to do a quick search now...

Edit: Searched and didn't find anything GW-like. If anyone else has any more luck, please post.

lutz

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Sounded more like Requiem for a Dream rather than Guild Wars.

RSGashapon

RSGashapon

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The preview was actually a 30-minute "behind the scenes" show, couple cast interviews, bits on special effects, etc. It wasn't just a 15-second commercial spot, sorry if my initial post seemed to suggest that.

Also, once it finished, they squished down the credits to fit in a Battlestar Galactica Razor commercial, so I couldn't see who made the preview. I think I saw "©2007 <something>smash Inc." but couldn't make out the rest.

pamelf

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Quote:
Originally Posted by lutz
Sounded more like Requiem for a Dream rather than Guild Wars.
Yeah, I was thinking that as well. It had some similarities to the Kronos Quartet music from REquiem.

In that case, was this the show you were watching? http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sxsr5VaK33I

or this? http://youtube.com/watch?v=UrvLciXUvpA&feature=related

BoondockSaint

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the OP said that my link was not what he was talking about so, I'm going to remove it to avoid confussion.

arcanemacabre

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Check this out: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1141749/fullcredits

Quote:
Original Music by
Jeremy Soule
Well there you go! Good ear!

RSGashapon

RSGashapon

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That's the one!

Although, how can it be "original" if it's been already used in another production? The music from Vabbi (and Rollerbeetle racing) is unmistakable.

bebe

bebe

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http://tinyurl.com/4g5ueb8

Put the peanut in the peanut hole!

Thats rather interesting! xD

lakatz

lakatz

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by RSGashapon
That's the one!

Although, how can it be "original" if it's been already used in another production? The music from Vabbi (and Rollerbeetle racing) is unmistakable.
Maybe the credits should read "Original music by Jeremy Soule but borrowed from a previous project, Guild Wars"

Shadowfox1125

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Was Jeremy allowed to use this same music in another project?

lakatz

lakatz

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowfox1125
Was Jeremy allowed to use this same music in another project?
It depends on what kind of exclusivity clause is in the contract with JS. Basically, it can be exclusive use by ArenaNet in the GuildWars game or non-exclusive use where the artist can sub-license to other concerns, or non-exclusive use where the artist and ArenaNet both can profit from sub-licensing the music to other concerns.

Peter Acid Eater

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"Original Music" usually just refers to that it is the musicians own music instead of, say, a fair-use classical piece.

Antheus

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Oh noes, someone's been moonlighting.

Peter Acid Eater

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Personally, I say "congrats" to Jeremy. I imagine that gig paid fairly well. And unless ANet has some exclusivity deal it's his music and he can do whatever the hell he wants with it, as ANet simply licensed the rights to his work.

People that do theme songs (like Danny Elfman) make pretty good money. It sometimes sure beats being a struggling band touring, playing dive bars, trying to find houses to crash at or sleeping in a cramp van full of smelly bandmates. And of course getting riped off by shoddy promoters.

Peter Acid Eater

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Congrats to Jeremy for getting his brilliant works published and showcased outside of the Guild Wars universe, and hopefully to a whole new audience.
-edited out pointless part due to moderating of quoted post-

Operative 14

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Very interesting. I thought I recognized a snippit of music while watching Atlantis the other night, and sure enough it was true!

Rhedd

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Acid Eater
Congrats to Jeremy for getting his brilliant works published and showcased outside of the Guild Wars universe, and hopefully to a whole new audience.
You know, GW is far, far, far from the only thing Jeremy Soule has ever done.

Peter Acid Eater

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhedd
You know, GW is far, far, far from the only thing Jeremy Soule has ever done.
Well, yeah. I guess I should have iterated it, "showcased outside of video games."

pumpkin pie

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behind you

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LOL

http://www.jeremysoule.com/index2.html

see the credit page.

OUCH he's responsible for icewinddale, one of the reason i got hooked to icewinddale was the music.

Esan

Esan

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Join Date: Jul 2007

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Jeremy Soule's music has a signature style. One of the reasons I got hooked on GW initially is because how much the music reminded me of Morrowind, possibly the only other game I have played for over 1000 hours. He is a talented guy, no doubt, but I think the field of orchestral scores for RPGs can afford to widen a bit. Especially for RPGs based on English/Euro archetypes, I like the upbeat format Howard Shore used for LotR more.

Viruzzz

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I prefer Jesper Kyd to Jeremy Soule. I don't think anything is going to beat the music from the hitman games for me. i loved the music so much in those games.

free_fall

free_fall

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Ya, while playing EotN I was struck by how some of the music (Norn areas, I recall) sounded like a retread of Neverwinter Nights.

Longasc

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I would make Jeremy Soule pay ANet back some money for his laziness... :>

Mork from Ork

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Longasc
I would make Jeremy Soule pay ANet back some money for his laziness... :>
It depends on the deal he and ANet had. If he was paid a salary for the music or sold the copyright then ANet owned it. However, if he did what a lot of musicians do and only sold the license to use it he is free to license the same music to other people as well - in which case ANet already got a huge price break.

In any case, the music is one part of Guild War i really enjoy and I am that Jeremy is getting exposure if various venues.

Bryant Again

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Jeremy Soule is most definantly a man's man /salute

Painbringer

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It all depends on the deal that was struck when the composer signed the contract. It may have a strict policy for a gaming plateform, but yet be open for future distribution on other media areas. Gails interest strikes me as odd though. I watched big fish and saw all the commercials as well but did not catch it. Anyone got Tivo?

lakatz

lakatz

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Painbringer
It all depends on the deal that was struck when the composer signed the contract. It may have a strict policy for a gaming plateform, but yet be open for future distribution on other media areas. Gails interest strikes me as odd though. I watched big fish and saw all the commercials as well but did not catch it. Anyone got Tivo?
It wasn't a tv spot. It was a half hour documentary after "Big Fish."

xshadowwolfx

xshadowwolfx

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Hmm, I should check it out. I saw the tin man preview a billion times on TiVo, but I always fast forwarded through it so there's no sound =).

bilateralrope

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Painbringer
Gails interest strikes me as odd though.
I doubt Gaile has access to all the contracts involved in Guild Wars, and without knowing exactly what they say this does look suspicious. Its probably nothing though.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

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Sorry, I totally forgot this thread. Yes, the use of the Guild Wars music for the preview was A-Ok, totally approved, and foretold in advance.

Emik

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Can someone post a snippet of that music then?

Guilty of playing without music I'm afraid