Swords > Axes

Exhonour

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

douches

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Lets see i been using swords for quite a while, and got a few that i use like sskai in pve, shocking highlander sword of fortitude for pvp and shiros sword sometimes when i want to mess around a bit in pvp.

Mostly use highlander with conjure build in arenas (RA):
[skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill]<[[skill]Shield Bash[/skill]or[skill]Shock[/skill]]>[skill]Conjure Lightning[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

for AB mostly:

[skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Sever Artery[/skill][skill]Gash[/skill][skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]"For Great Justice!"[/skill][skill]Sprint[/skill][skill]Bull's Strike[/skill][skill]Conjure Lightning[/skill]
There are a few more i got but not going to list all of them...

the problem with these sword builds is that dragon slash is my main dmg skill but it takes very long to get up to that point to use it and if its blocked while with chain in with FGJ its just pointless. Also i cant fit any attack speed increase in there... It works great for pve but not too awsome for pvp, although sumtimes its just a few slashes and i can pretty much own sum people like other mesmers, necros, eles, monks rarely, other warriors cuz of conjure and KD and dervishes if im lucky and 1v1

I was thinking of switching to axes and i have enugh money, unless 50k isint enugh to buy a decent axe. What im asking is:
1) Is it worth switching to axes for pvp and sticking with swords for pve?
2) What are some good mods for axes? What about green axes themselves?
3) What build can i use as a starter with faction and prophecy skills only?



Keep in mind i got factions and proph only! And im hoping for builds with adrenalin, my armors are: luxon set with survivors and sum +10arm while attacking and +10 over all i think. Ty for all ur help.

Shadowfox1125

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

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At least run [card]Sun and Moon Slash[/card].. it works well with Conjures..

1. Yes, it's worth it to switch to axes for PvP and to stick with sword for PvE.
2. Good mods for axes? it's the same with swords. Vamp, Zealous, Elementals
3. Shock Axe. But you'll have to use Radiant insignias.

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/E_Shock_Axe

terminus123

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

N/Me

yea ^ what he said

Also in pve I highly recomend you use Deadly Riposte since it's just such a wonderful skill that (I wish axes had), since it bleed, blocks, and does a good amount of arour ignoring damage.

In pvp stick with Shield Bash. Sins hate it. I love it

Necromas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

You should use barbarous slice instead of sever artery in the first build seeing as you don't have a stance.

Exhonour

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

douches

W/E

its in nightfall i only got factions and proph >.<

sky99

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2007

The title fails. ( How can someone possibly fail at naming their own thread). I don't get how the title goes along with the post at all.But than again you have a better post than I had expected.When I clicked this thread I was expecting this :" LULULZULZULZ S0RDS R TEH POWNAGE. AX TEH SUXZ0R MANG

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

in pvp axes and swords are pretty closely balanced, axes are used more though.

in pve axes are easily more powerful than swords because of the AoE attacks.

A Leprechaun

A Leprechaun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Watch out Coloneh, you're about to get mobbed by Dragon Slash worshippers!!!

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by A Leprechaun
Watch out Coloneh, you're about to get mobbed by Dragon Slash worshippers!!! Way to take all the fun out of it, meanie.

A Leprechaun

A Leprechaun

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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^^ Lol, sry.

Stormlord Alex

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
in pve axes are easily more powerful than swords because of the AoE attacks. That would be true, except for the fact that Dragon Slash + "Save Yourselves!" exists.

And Leprechaun, I'm not a DSlash worshipper.
I just happen to realize that DSlash > PvE.

iridescentfyre

iridescentfyre

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

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I'm not going to shy away from being a Dslash Worshiper.

Guild Wars is a game based on giving you many options to achieve the same goal. In any system like that, there must always be one best option. It just so happens that, for a PvE Warrior, Dragon Slash is that option and the numbers back it up.

I know its starting to sound like an echo in this forum, but there's "Dslash Worshipers" for a reason.

glountz

glountz

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by iridescentfyre
I'm not going to shy away from being a Dslash Worshiper.

Guild Wars is a game based on giving you many options to achieve the same goal. In any system like that, there must always be one best option. It just so happens that, for a PvE Warrior, Dragon Slash is that option and the numbers back it up.

I know its starting to sound like an echo in this forum, but there's "Dslash Worshipers" for a reason. +1
But I wonder if Dragon slash worshippers are not more FGJ-Save Yourselves! worshippers. Without the buff to FGJ and without SY!, dragonslashers would have remained dead and triple choppers would still be the kings.
I would add that for easy mode, where SY! is not that needed, a triple chop cyclone axe warrior buffed with splinter weapon and paragons shouts is quite effective in mauling normal mobs.
I find also Sever-Gash sword combo pretty lousy in PvE, especially in Gwen where half of the mobs cannot bleed, whereas an axe warrior inflict DW no matter what (ended putting the DW attack on my paragon hero to free space on my Dslash bar).
Well OP can do like he wants, PvE is PvE. But I advise him to put SY! on his bar as soon as he reaches the first Luxon/Kurzick title track tier.

Racthoh

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

Quote:
Originally Posted by glountz
But I wonder if Dragon slash worshippers are not more FGJ-Save Yourselves! worshippers. Without the buff to FGJ and without SY!, dragonslashers would have remained dead and triple choppers would still be the kings. Not quite sure I follow. Prior to the FGJ! buff I could go Dragon Slash -> Galrath Slash -> Silverwing Slash and repeat for the whole 20 seconds, or simply Dragon Slash -> Sun and Moon Slash repeat. All the buff to FGJ! did was allow you to mash one attack skill instead of two or three, it's not like current warriors aren't bringing three attack skills still.

Fairly confident search would reveal discussions that Dragon Slash put out the highest DPS well before Nightfall was even introduced.

A Leprechaun

A Leprechaun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

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Sorry if I offended anyone with my comment, I didnt say "Dragon Slash Worshipper" in a nasty sense.

~A Leprechaun~

Exhonour

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2007

douches

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i didnt mean to say > as in swords are better then axes lol, its suppose to be an arrow

but as always all threads in this forum get their topic changed by sum person and everyone discusses that after

I Phoenix I

I Phoenix I

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]

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Aaah, so you have seen the light. That's nice

Shock Axe is great, go with that, especially since you only have Prophecies + Factions.

Surena

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

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I really liked Tripplechop (+ Conjure) until the overpowered PvE skills got introduced. Currently there's no real reason to run anything else than dragonslash if you want to maximize efficiency. Other than that I'd go back to axe anytime.

Dark Paladin X

Dark Paladin X

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Join Date: Apr 2007

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nice, i agree swords are better than axes, but sometimes axes are quite good in PvE like Triple Chop and Cyclone Axe went you have to deal with multiples foes. Other than that, swords are better, preferably [skill]Dragon Slash[/skill] spam build.

Coloneh

Coloneh

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Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

I agree that dragon slash is fun and the damage is really intense. but the thing is that in PvE AoE is king. single target damage just dosnt compare to AoE damage, its limitless. and as long as mobs bunch up AoE will reign supreme. but go ahead and use Dslah, its not bad, its just not as good as an axe.

MBP

MBP

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Join Date: Apr 2007

Arizona

Clanless Fraggers

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it's all preference really

you could get comparable aoe for sword

[skill]hundred blades[/skill][skill]sun and moon slash[/skill][skill]whirlwind attack[/skill][skill]splinter weapon[/skill]

granted it won't be as good as axe aoe but if you want aoe take ele heroes/henches so you can frontline better

I'd rather have a dslash save yourselves warrior and eles for aoe anyday

as for axe over sword each has its strengths and weaknesses and once again it's all preference, If you like being able to spam deep wound like crazy go axe, if you wanna be able to spam party buffs and have plenty of adrenaline to spare go sword.

farmpig

farmpig

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2006

I find swords, axes and hammers equally effective. A warrior is only useful if he hits the target.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

Cake is not > Pie

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by MBP
it's all preference really

you could get comparable aoe for sword

[skill]hundred blades[/skill][skill]sun and moon slash[/skill][skill]whirlwind attack[/skill][skill]splinter weapon[/skill] thats not comparable. thats sad

Ben-A-BoO

Ben-A-BoO

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Europe

Erhm,
I don't wanna disturb you guyz in making D-Slash the topic of this Thread but I think the OP asked different questions:

It's more about Axes really...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exhonour
1) Is it worth switching to axes for pvp and sticking with swords for pve?
2) What are some good mods for axes? What about green axes themselves?
3) What build can i use as a starter with faction and prophecy skills only?

1) Yes it is worth to switch to axe if you wanna PvP. Sword in PvE makes some sense.

The reason why you see many Axe wielding warriors in pvp is because of their spike potential compared to swords which are generally more pressure + condition.

3) Eviscerate is the key skill for the spike of 99.9% axe builds for PvP.
There are tons of axe builds out there that are viable to use.
Just pick one from the following thread:
PvP Axe Builds

2) You need:
- Zealous (
Kinslayers - purple Stygian Reaver ; Wing's Axe - Cheap Factions variant)
- Vamp (
Razorfins; Drangcrest - only for female warrior's plz)
- Earth (Shocking, ...).
Shon's Reaver - Fiery Axe skin; Chor's Axe - Cheap Ebon Axe)

- I sometimes bring Furious out of religious reasons (I still believe it does anything).

Have fun,

oh and to make your choice even harder ... Don't forget the fun of wielding a hammer!

Cheers,
Timebandit

Qdq Swi

Qdq Swi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
thats not comparable. thats sad Its very sad actually... Hundred Blades = baed x9182222837355155155.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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Not that I am a fan of Hundred blades but....

If you hit 3 foes with hundred blades + splinter your going to deal around 300 to each of them. (splinter x 5 + sword dmg x2)

Triple chop + Splinter would deal about 200.(splinter x3 + axe dmg)

Though I would still say Hundred blades should never be your first, second, third or fourth choice for an elite on any war build.

Issac

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

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I hope these sword builds work well for me, I’m really looking forward to play my war in pvp again and use swords for a change instead of a hammer lol.

Coloneh

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Not that I am a fan of Hundred blades but....

If you hit 3 foes with hundred blades + splinter your going to deal around 300 to each of them. (splinter x 5 + sword dmg x2)

Triple chop + Splinter would deal about 200.(splinter x3 + axe dmg)

Though I would still say Hundred blades should never be your first, second, third or fourth choice for an elite on any war build. your math broke somewhere, you get the same number of splinter triggers on both weapons, so with the bonus damage from triple chop: axe wins.

A Leprechaun

A Leprechaun

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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I like hundred blades, the damage isn't amazing but I like how it plays. Its amazing for adrenaline gain its more reliable than Dragon slash in an area with any kind of blocking (You don't have to build up **10** adrenaline again).
Under FGJ! you hit 3 foes with it (Which happens a lot in PvE) and you gain 12 adrenaline... 12! and you can do that every 8 seconds. Not to mention its nice synergy with Conjure skills and Strength and Honour. And its usable straight away, no waiting for adrenaline to build up.
I'm not saying its better than Dragon Slash or Triple Chop but I think it does deserve a mention as an alternative.

~A Leprechaun~

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
your math broke somewhere, you get the same number of splinter triggers on both weapons, so with the bonus damage from triple chop: axe wins.
NO. One hundred blades you hit each target 2 times, thus on 3 foes its 6 hits triggering Splinter 5(max) times. Triple chop only hits each target once.

Coloneh

Coloneh

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
NO. One hundred blades you hit each target 2 times, thus on 3 foes its 6 hits triggering Splinter 5(max) times. Triple chop only hits each target once. so? after 2 swings or one cyclone the sword damage isnt even comparable.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

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Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloneh
so? after 2 swings or one cyclone the sword damage isnt even comparable. Sure using Triple Chop + Cyclone Axe + Splinter does more dmg than just Hundred Blades + Splinter...

Yes 2 attacks of Triple Chop deal more dmg than one of Hundered Blades......

What point are you really trying to make here?

Qdq Swi

Qdq Swi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Sure using Triple Chop + Cyclone Axe + Splinter does more dmg than just Hundred Blades + Splinter...

Yes 2 attacks of Triple Chop deal more dmg than one of Hundered Blades......

What point are you really trying to make here? ...That.... Hundred Blades = Baed? And that if you look for only AoE in PvE you should go Axe over Sword? Oh and btw, Triple Chop (1 usage) + Splinter > Hundred Blades (1 usage) + Splinter.

Need I say more..?

Clarissa F

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Fighters of the Shiverpeaks

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Sword warrior=pressure.

Axe warrior=fast spike, AoE.

Hammer warrior=interrupt, KD.

Does that sum it up, kinda?

zling

zling

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

actually Trip Chop Warriors are so much better than DSlashers in PvE...
in PvE you almost always have a mob, which is where AoE kicks in. you get plenty of adrenaline from attacking everyone around you, enough for all those defensive shouts that make your entire party into potential tanks. and how is DSlash better than Trip Chop at abusing the overpowered PvE only skills? 1 Trip Chop gives you like 3-5 adrenaline, can also be more than that... follow with Cyclone Axe for another 3-5 adrenaline. follow with the adrenal Whirlind Attack for another 3-5 adrenaline.
so you got 9-15 adrenaline from 3 attacks, how does DSlash beat that?
you dont even need FGJ or all those other things...

as for the original question:
both have different uses, sword is more fit for pressure while axe is more fit towards spikes. but both weapons can do both roles, depends on your build...
personally I like axes more as I think it has a better skill variaty, but if you're into conditions than swords will be your new best friends.

P.S dont forget hammers, they're awsome too!

Kale Ironfist

Kale Ironfist

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Join Date: Jul 2006

Australia

Venatio Illuminata [VEIL]

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Quote:
1 Trip Chop gives you like 3-5 adrenaline, can also be more than that... follow with Cyclone Axe for another 3-5 adrenaline. follow with the adrenal Whirlind Attack for another 3-5 adrenaline.
so you got 9-15 adrenaline from 3 attacks, how does DSlash beat that? Recharge kills your ability to gain adrenaline, and you're comparing three skills to one. Two if you count "FGJ!". Not only that, but you're also dealing more consistent damage to a single foe with DSlash. Your axe skills are diluting killing power in exchange for higher damage totals.

A Leprechaun

A Leprechaun

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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I'm not a big DSlash fan but even I admit that its obvious, if you want to spam "Save Yourselves!" Dslash is the way to go.
Zling your point made no sense, DSlash is obviously better at gaining adrenaline than those 3 skills, which have recharges.

~A Leprechaun~

Dark Paladin X

Dark Paladin X

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zling
actually Trip Chop Warriors are so much better than DSlashers in PvE...
in PvE you almost always have a mob, which is where AoE kicks in. you get plenty of adrenaline from attacking everyone around you, enough for all those defensive shouts that make your entire party into potential tanks. and how is DSlash better than Trip Chop at abusing the overpowered PvE only skills? 1 Trip Chop gives you like 3-5 adrenaline, can also be more than that... follow with Cyclone Axe for another 3-5 adrenaline. follow with the adrenal Whirlind Attack for another 3-5 adrenaline.
so you got 9-15 adrenaline from 3 attacks, how does DSlash beat that?
you dont even need FGJ or all those other things...

as for the original question:
both have different uses, sword is more fit for pressure while axe is more fit towards spikes. but both weapons can do both roles, depends on your build...
personally I like axes more as I think it has a better skill variaty, but if you're into conditions than swords will be your new best friends.

P.S dont forget hammers, they're awsome too! Unless if you have a zealous axe, using triple axe and cyclone axe would be energy problem. That's why I prefer dragon slash spammer for spikes. Swords, like Axes, can inflict spike damage as well. You can use Shon's axe or any fiery, icy, shocking axe as a W/E in conjunction with a conjure enchantment for more direct damage. Or if you are using dervish secondary, Ebon Dust Aura would disable other melee professions and rangers easily. But by far, if you still need energy management, you can drop Triple Axe for Warrior's Endurance, which gives 3 energy per attack (or possibly hit). But what I like the most is being a W/Mo and use live vicarously and vigorous spirit together for nice self heal.

Oh for warriors, I would NOT recommend shock, since exhaustion can screw you over.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Qdq Swi
...That.... Hundred Blades = Baed? And that if you look for only AoE in PvE you should go Axe over Sword? Oh and btw, Triple Chop (1 usage) + Splinter > Hundred Blades (1 usage) + Splinter.

Need I say more..?
Read my first post, I actually said Hundred blades should not be used in any build.

My statement was to simply display the fact that Hundred Blades + Splinter vs 3 foes deals more dmg than Triple Chop +Splinter vs 3 foes.

That is a fact. It does not mean that hundred blades is better than Triple chop.


Please read all my posts rather than just one responce to somebody else then post your coments.